Windows 'Vista'

[W1nTry]

Longhorn officially dubbed Vista

Microsoft's Hasta la Vista, baby

By Tamlin Magee: Friday 22 July 2005, 14:48
MICROSOFT HAS CONFIRMED that Longhorn's official name will become "Vista."

A video is available at Microsoft's website, showing two unnamed and disturbingly enthusiastic middle aged men (one of them's a cowboy) teasing the audience with a sneak preview of Windows Vista. A tip to Microsoft: it's not a good idea to start your videos with blue screens.

"In a world of more to do and more to discover, the desire is clarity," says the video. Actually, I think the desire is more for something reliable that doesn't require a monstrous supercomputer to run. The video ends with the message: "clear, confident and connected."

What can it all mean?

And various wags have already started calling this OS Hasta La Vista

[pleb]

oooooo interesante!!
this is cool

[Jdcrys_Shinkuu]

i preferred the name Longhorn....

[TinyGrasshopper]

Latest 'Vista' screenshots: http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/presskits/windowsvista/default.mspx

It looks pretty slick but then again the specs needed for this will probably be huge and by that time Leopard will be out. Judge for yourself

[TriniXaeno]

doesn't look bad at all.

just warmed up to XP and already it's time to change.

[Crixx_Creww]

chakura (THE FLIPPIN WORD IS CHAKURA NOT CHAKRA PEOPLE!!) to grasshopper for that uber bad strong bad avatar. baw baww

and yes it is highly disturbing to see these old balding eww men hyper on stage bout de release of a flikkin os. lol eww

[Kaizen]

yep preferred the name longhorn but oh well
will use xp 64 bit for a while longer 4gettin about vista for  now

[Jdcrys_Shinkuu]

i cant wait for a released copy!!!

[Kaizen]

lol neither can i to test it out but
just not hoping for it to be my main os for the tiem it comes out

[TinyGrasshopper]

I was skimming through a PC World article and the only cool feature is search folders where searches can be recalled as a 'folder', but wait Tiger already gives us this. Considering we'll need mega-speed at this point just to get our windows to be transparent, this makes me want a Mac Mini more than Vista which I think isn't that great a name but I don't really care, I mean we're all fine with saying XP. XP? What would concern us as gamers is whether Avalon gonna change our lives, and in what way? As Baego said XP serves our lives well, why upgrade?

One nice thing though, is that they're trying to improve the security model. You won't be able to install anything on the C: partition, something which most of us do anyways, but it would be a good step to make that default, i think.

[unimatrix001]

i read someting bout how de minimum ram on dat is 512... dat is ting to make man cry. but yuh see all dis anti-piracy chupidness... dat gettin real annoyin now...havin to validate yuh windows an ting

[Czar]

i read someting bout how de minimum ram on dat is 512... dat is ting to make man cry

I shudder to think of ye amongst us who has less than 512MB of RAM in their PC and still playin games... o_O

but yuh see all dis anti-piracy chupidness... dat gettin real annoyin now...havin to validate yuh windows an ting

Only if you're running a pirated copy of Windows...otherwise, you good to go.

[Crixx_Creww]

for an os to have a MINIMUM requirement of 512 mb is kinda sick
i mean minimum and not suggested.

thats eww

[TrinireturnofGamez]

  512 is the minimum to enjoy Hl2 or doom III , BF2 NEEDS a gig of ram if you play @ maxed settings ....
   Windows XP has gotten old , but windows is already a resource hog as it is for people on 256 or less ram , will it become one for those on 512 ? if so i'll say screw microsoft and use windows Xp 64 till i upgrade....
   I'm not to worried about the anti- piracy stuff,  hackers and crackers out there are light years more talented than those who design the security... 
  Vista promises a helluva lot of stuff ,  a new graphics API , an interface that integrates 3d effects like pixel shading ,  64 bit and multi processor support etc. I doubt microsoft can pull it off  without bugs... some of those promised features will probably be delayed for months . 

[W1nTry]

After the kinda money they spending on this OS yuh would think they could do better than to have to spec it up even higher than the previous OSes in terms of HArdware. Take for instance alot of the 'nice' features that Vista will have Apple's OS X Tiger already has it and whats more, Tiger runs FASTER on current hardware which means its LESS of a resource hog whilst improving performance, when was the last time MS EVER did that on the EXISTING hardware? anyways I know the adoption of that will be determined by MS as they can alway pull that 'no longer supported' BS with XP and force ppl to move. Not so much the Home PC user but the corporate users who need the support, which is where their money is mostly anys.

[W1nTry]

Before I forget, and to all those ranting about wanting this POC:

Microsoft Vista creates DRM insanity

Comment Microstupid tunnel vision

By Burt Carver: Thursday 04 August 2005, 11:56
ONE OF the 'features' touted on the new Microsoft Vista (nee Longhorn) operating system is the Protected Video Path - Output Protection Management (PVP-OPM). Nick Farrell does an excellent job outlining it here. Here is what Microsoft has to say: New output content protection mechanisms planned for the next version of Microsoft® Windows® codenamed "Longhorn" protect against hardware attacks while playing premium content and complement the protection against software attacks provided by the Protected Environment in Windows Longhorn. In a nutshell, unless you have a display device that is equipped with specific technology intended to foil recording, the operating system will degrade the image quality so bit for bit copies cannot be made. Sounds good, right? Well, considering that almost NO monitors are currently shipping with this technology, it means that if you want to view a movie off a HD-DVD as it is encoded, or stream HD content from a Blue-Ray disk to a display, the operating system will kill the video outputs and give you nothing. If you are lucky enough, like me, to have a projector that can handle RGB signals or DVI inputs, you can get a signal but it will be run through a downscaler then an upscaler to reduce the quality. Wow. If I am running a projector or a TV off video outputs I'll see nothing? If I am lucky enough to have a set that will allow for RGB or DVI I can pay for the privilege of having my 720p or 1080i signal degraded to DVD quality or less? Where do I sign? Paid a premium for a graphics card with component output to reap the rewards of that Hi-Def set? Too bad. Isn't technology wonderful? Because of the nature of the technology, it is very unlikely that some widget or gizmo will be made to make the system compliant outside of buying a new monitor. Outside of cracking the OS (which is bound to happen) to turn off this 'feature', the end user is going to end up on the short end of the stick. The irony is that most content ripping software doesn't rely on video outputs and they strip the protections on the fly. After that point the content should no longer be viewed as 'premium', and the protection becomes useless. In the white paper on the Microsoft link above, the folk talk about the problems of open systems (a PC) versus a closed system (discrete DVD player) and how the end user can't upgrade or change the closed system. This seems to be the end goal - create an operating system that will create a closed system. The fact is that this 'feature' serves to hurt the consumer that Microsoft has targeted with its Media Center OS. Upgrading to the Vista flavour will render that 'Hi-Def' experience in 'Low-Def' detail, and more and more people will choose alternate operating systems. In fact, if I knew that I would be getting lower quality output on anything (there is a section on audio in there) I would be reluctant to install the OS on any machine, work or otherwise. W2k and XP are perfectly adequate, and I prefer to be able to enjoy the movies as they were meant to be seen - at full resolution.

[Czar]

That only pertains to non-original movies...in other words, it's an anti-piracy measure...made to please the movie studios etc...

[W1nTry]

Whilst I agree with piracy being a bad thing (to some degree) I am more interested in the fact that it wil require new hardware as Opposed to using existing hardware. I saw another article where such a monitor supporting said features is 400POUNDS, not US, not TT, POUNDS as in England. That is HIGHWAY RObbery. Plus its a statistical fact that even with all the piracy going on the movie and music industries continue to rake in more and more profits.  So I see it as them just being money hungry bastards. Plus read the article I put up about intel's role in DRM and how so far it looks to alienate Linux and even make it effectively ILlegal to watch HD content on a Linux box. THAT is REAL BS.

[suzieboy]

But how would Windows Vista affect us gamers as and OS for gaming? would it be beneficial or a letdown with this new API and all?
And does it only support 64bit, so far from reading this post iam getting the idea that it is and it wouldnt have a 32bit version?

[W1nTry]

I doubt it will have a 32-bit variant cause what the sense in using old technology for ur 'new' OS. By the time Vista is out all cpus will be 64-bit heck they done start making 64-bit Semprons and Celerys. So don't bet ur life on that coming to pass.