Budget nex gen cards : 6800 + X-800Se

[TrinireturnofGamez]

Right now one of the best deals for your money and future support of games is the 6800 non ultra, it has only 8 pipes BUT it is  40 % faster than the  5950! , ATi is supposed to release an 8 pipe card in the same price range this year.... hopefully both will be able to overclock alot...

http://www.firingsquad.com/hardware/geforc...ing/default.asp


EDIT : it has 12 pipes or one of the sites i checked gave me wrong info.                    

[coldstorm]

6800 gt looking like a good buy but thta still $299 us
if they got sli version of normal 6800 that might be worth getting                    

[strongton]

you goin and buy two cards to use sli??? thats poor engineerin by nvidia,                    

[TrinireturnofGamez]

you goin and buy two cards to use sli??? thats poor engineerin by nvidia,

i now c what u mean.... dual PCiX boards will be real expensive... and no one is sure whether or not nvidias SLI will work well... and u need a 500 watt PSU... alot of cooling.... a killer cpu to handle both....


1 card with 2 gpus and 512mb ram/ 512 bit bus will be better for budgets. no big mobo needed.                    

[TriniXaeno]

that's pricey yes....but still far from the US$600 they are asking for the flag ship products.                    

[W1nTry]

I have to say both sides here have good points, its all about how much money u have to waste, whilst two cards is more money, you do have support for 4 monitors and it will be alot faster than any 1 card... on the other hand, price and PCB real estate are factors so i'd say if yuh have the money why now, if not well salt, as for poor engineering... I think its fine, less u want to try to put twice as many transistors on the die thats what? 440 Million trans? dual core mess dread, dual is fine enough strongton                    

[TrinireturnofGamez]

I have to say both sides here have good points, its all about how much money u have to waste, whilst two cards is more money, you do have support for 4 monitors and it will be alot faster than any 1 card... on the other hand, price and PCB real estate are factors so i'd say if yuh have the money why now, if not well salt, as for poor engineering... I think its fine, less u want to try to put twice as many transistors on the die thats what? 440 Million trans? dual core mess dread, dual is fine enough strongton

we not looking at dual cores.... we looking at 2 cores, independant of each other but sharing the same bus and RAM.... it would act like having 2 cards but in one.. gigantic card., 3dFX and SGI did it before.. though they can hardly be considered the champions of industry...

 aslo ... once again i preach the WAITING game, ATi has the x-800SE coming out and a new chip , the RV430..... on a .11 core is comming out.

if you have a geforce 2/4/ radeon 8500-9200 you are good till next year                    

[Meamyam]

If I had a geforce 2 I wouldn't be playing any of the games I play or played since late last year. Except perhaps Warcraft III.

But thats just me of course.                    

[Rampage]

If I had a geforce 2 I wouldn't be playing any of the games I play or played since late last year. Except perhaps Warcraft III.

But thats just me of course.

indeed . them kinda cards will never cut it this year. with hl2, doom3, stalker, etc coming out. weak 8500-9200 here bring.  they aint gonna cut it at all for this year. is best you buy a used r9500 and up card. or buy a 9800se an call that george. because them cards just wont cut it. doh study what minimum requirements say nah,lol                    

[SUPR3M3]

Agreed, the best option for Geforce MX420(God forbid) and under as well as Radeon 9200 and under card holders, would really be to consider upgrading ASAP. That is if you wanna be a part of the DOOM3 HL2 mania that's about to take over in about 2months.

Don't be left out, save and upgrade. Recommendations would definitely be a Radeon 9500 and up or a FX5600 or higher.                    

[W1nTry]

Trinireturofthenametoofleckinglong... yuh doh read ppl post properly or something? I merely mentioned dual core to point out to strongton that if he expects close to twice the performance from a SINGLE CARD the transistor count would UNDOUBTLY increase, as it has been for the past umteen years in CPU's CPU's and most any transistor based technology out there. Also these guys are right, Geforce 2? dread what games you hoping to play with that at any decent frame rate? at least what recent (within the last year and a half) you playing with that?                    

[TrinireturnofGamez]

alyuh reaaal harden .... didn't i PLAY doom III on my PIII and 8500? in the maps that are 4-5 rooms in size i can get 29fps with 2 models on the screen [ the pinky demon and marine running away from it ]  

the www.digit-life.com benchmarks of HL2 show the 9200 capable of running it at 24FPS with full detail AND anisotropy on . And since the 8500 is about 30% faster [2x fillrate, 2x transistor count ] it should get around 30fps


the geforce 2 was reported to get 60 something FPS in DIII with a good processor.. .you will be missing alot of detail but the game is still there.


i don't think anyone has tested HL2 with a geforce 2 or similar non pixel shaded card... but it is supposed to run nice and smooth                    

[Rampage]

alyuh reaaal harden .... didn't i PLAY doom III on my PIII and 8500? in the maps that are 4-5 rooms in size i can get 29fps with 2 models on the screen [ the pinky demon and marine running away from it ]  

the www.digit-life.com benchmarks of HL2 show the 9200 capable of running it at 24FPS with full detail AND anisotropy on . And since the 8500 is about 30% faster [2x fillrate, 2x transistor count ] it should get around 30fps


the geforce 2 was reported to get 60 something FPS in DIII with a good processor.. .you will be missing alot of detail but the game is still there.


i don't think anyone has tested HL2 with a geforce 2 or similar non pixel shaded card... but it is supposed to run nice and smooth

there is a difference in running a game, and running a game the way its meant to be played , you wanna run game with low settings, at very low resolution, then is best you doh play it oui. you aint getting what the game have to offer. i know real people with them kinda cards and they doesnt even bother. they rather play the game with some detail actually on, lol. you getting 29fps with 2 models on screen. at 640x480 everything down im sure. now in doom3 the monsters chase you and i remember in a post you saying when they close up you get 3 and 5 fps. lol, have fun playing meh boy. for the smart ones upgrade asap doh stick with no gf2 or 8500 and salt out on the actual game. that is like spiderman 2 for pc to how spiderman2 is for console, lol.                    

[TrinireturnofGamez]

i also posted : because the game used up more than 1gb of memory.... it filled up 368mb of ram and 780mb of virtual memory and ASKED FOR MORE.  and THAT was because the game was version 0.02 alpha.


 don't start quoting nvidias 'the way it was meant to be played' .... most of the games that have than logo on them run better/faster on ati cards or non FX cards.
 
right now Dx8 is all you need, it has ALL the features of 9 that are currantly in use.. and will be used for the next few years. R8500/9200 or Ti4200/ti500 will carry you into 2005 happily. Any of those cards are just as fast as a 9600se / non pro and faster than a 9500 np.                    

[Rampage]

wait wait wait, you saying that a 8599/9200/ti500 is faster than a 9500np? unless you talking about old dx8 games an thing, a 9500 is faster. you seem to forget what you really saying... we talking about games in the future, you say 2005? you have any idea the kind of games that go be out by then? let the smart ones enjoy they new card while you settle with your old piece of crap in 640x480 with everything low , doom3, hl2 aren't the only games that gonna have out of this world graphics an thing, besides those games coming out right in summer dey, you said 2005 thats about a year and a half from now. now any smart person will know that its time to upgrade, i done argue with you though, you too stupid oui, i know people who have ti4200, gf3 ti 500 etc and they upgrading brisk brisk, even the GLS upgrading to new stuff. you go be lying back in sweat with a old outdated card that cant show anything properly. i waiting for 2005 to see you come in a sweat with a r8500 and run the current games, lol.


also i wasnt even thinking about nvidia when i say the way its meant to be played. when someone make a game they put things in place so that you can see it the way its meant to be seen, they want you to see the game the way its really suppose to be seen. yes you can play hl in software mode but they want you to see it in its full glory, or atleast enough glory to not be wondering what is that? i can't see it properly!

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to the smart ones...a r8500, ti 500, ti4200, gf2, gf4mx. will not cut it for the upcoming games. to that trinireturnofthemc who's stupid and cheap you can salt and suffer and watch your games play weak and framey, while we play we games at a higher resolution than 640x480 with our settings up a man once said that there are and always will be dumb asses among us, you just prove his point. continue with your r8500 . when a man wanna play a game he wanna play it with a little detail atleast, lol. a gf2 can run farcry, but what you gonna see?                    

[Rampage]

ahh and here is a link to benchmarks:
http://www.digit-life.com/articles2/radeon...-r9500-128.html

its a setta old benchmarks though but hey they got doom3 in the list, so you can see that the 9500 does infact beat the r8500 an thing and isnt as fast as it as trinireturnofthemc says. evidence iwmc                    

[TrinireturnofGamez]

wait wait wait, you saying that a 8599/9200/ti500 is faster than a 9500np? unless you talking about old dx8 games an thing, a 9500 is faster. you seem to forget what you really saying... we talking about games in the future, you say 2005? you have any idea the kind of games that go be out by then? let the smart ones enjoy they new card while you settle with your old piece of crap in 640x480 with everything low , doom3, hl2 aren't the only games that gonna have out of this world graphics an thing, besides those games coming out right in summer dey, you said 2005 thats about a year and a half from now. now any smart person will know that its time to upgrade, i done argue with you though, you too stupid oui, i know people who have ti4200, gf3 ti 500 etc and they upgrading brisk brisk, even the GLS upgrading to new stuff. you go be lying back in sweat with a old outdated card that cant show anything properly. i waiting for 2005 to see you come in a sweat with a r8500 and run the current games, lol.


also i wasnt even thinking about nvidia when i say the way its meant to be played. when someone make a game they put things in place so that you can see it the way its meant to be seen, they want you to see the game the way its really suppose to be seen. yes you can play hl in software mode but they want you to see it in its full glory, or atleast enough glory to not be wondering what is that? i can't see it properly!

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to the smart ones...a r8500, ti 500, ti4200, gf2, gf4mx. will not cut it for the upcoming games. to that trinireturnofthemc who's stupid and cheap you can salt and suffer and watch your games play weak and framey, while we play we games at a higher resolution than 640x480 with our settings up a man once said that there are and always will be dumb asses among us, you just prove his point. continue with your r8500 . when a man wanna play a game he wanna play it with a little detail atleast, lol. a gf2 can run farcry, but what you gonna see?

i'm not saying to BUY those cards FOR 2005.. i'm saying KEEP them and by the 2005 card IN 2005. if you have a tnt2 [like a couple of our fellow gamers] those cards are a worthy upgrade for RIGHT NOW..  it makes no sense buying FOR 2005 when you are in 2004 and are not 100% sure of what will be cracking in 05.
   you GREATLY underestimate the power of those older cards for present games.. they might need  a little extra tweaking to keep a smooth 30 something fps at 1024x768 with aniso on etc.  but a little tweaking teaches you more and saves you a good couple hundred.

 the only time  i play games at 640x480 is when i play them in windowed mode , and the only game i play at low settings is enter the matrix... [ instead of 50-60fps average and sudden random drops to 5fps, 100-120fps average and sudden random drops to 10-15 fps]                    

[Rampage]

lol, you feel i eh know bout tweaking an thing? i am man write so many tweaking guides an thing before, ask baego about me ent you does be in euro? asking him wont be a problem but no matter how much you tweak , you go be pulling out quality in some form unless you overclock the card. 30 fps smooth at 1024x768 on them old cards is possible yes, but with that 30fps you go be missing real things and is best you just drop it to 640x480 an done instead of struggling at 30fps with real weak quality.

 i'm not saying to BUY those cards FOR 2005.. i'm saying KEEP them and by the 2005 card IN 2005

yeah thats what i thought you said. i sorry if you think i mean to buy them in 2005.

here is another link to benchmarks btw:
http://www20.graphics.tomshardware.com/gra...-charts-03.html

but then lets look at reality, you a lil child, you brokes, you have weak pc, so you doh have a choice but to tweak and tweak etc and even after that it go be weak with the new games. if you do have the money sometime upgrade yes. i was like you once trinireturnofthemc, tweaking upon tweaking, i had a gf2 longer than most people i know, and i had that tweaked so much, but then something happened to it and i had no choice but to upgrade but i feel if nothing had happen to it i wouldn't have even upgraded due to the cost.

are you a serious gamer btw?                    

[TrinireturnofGamez]

i'm sorry for recommending you GF2.. ic you still have memories like me of being stuck with the newer games that ACTUALLY work on your tn2/gf2 at 640x480 with everything turned to low just to get 20 fps.

 but also i see a trend this year of all the new games in beta recommending instead of more gpu power, that same old GF2 but more and more CPU power and RAM.

 let me use this to make a point of how people can look at the same thing and have different views .. l

i believe that UT2003 isn't a 'demanding' game ... any game where u can get  300 fps with the top of the line cards shouldn't be used as a benchmark in my opinion.

if you look at the HALO benchmarks http://www20.graphics.tomshardware.com/gra...-charts-09.html
the 8500 beats  back the 9500 and 9600 non pro , with the newer drivers the 8500 matches the 9600 pro, the ti4200 0wnz pretty badly but thats probably because the Xbox architechture is similar to the geforce 3/4..                    

[SUPR3M3]

I'm sorry, but I just couldn't stop laughing through this thread from the point where trini said to stick with DX8 since it's not necessary to upgrade to 9.

Thats basically all I have to say. I dont know what else to say or should be said. Rampage already made it clear that we should'nt take advice from trini.