Nvidia feels the stench of FartCry

[TrinireturnofGamez]

look what happens when you rename farcry.exe to fartcry.exe, using the latest patch.

NVIDIA IS CHEATING AGAIN!! CHEATERS!! CHEAT !

its in german but can be translated

http://www.chip.de/news/c_news_11844422.html                    

[TriniXaeno]

I can't believe farcry still runs so slow with the latest crop of graphics cards.

as for cheating, remember.....the name of the game is optimisation and always has been.

If nvidia can optimize a game such that it runs faster with no noticeable degradation in quality, that is talant.

A good thing.

Not a cheat.

Depends on how you want to look at it.                    

[Czar]

If nvidia can optimize a game such that it runs faster with no noticeable degradation in quality, that is talant.

Totally agree there.                    

[Chronos]

i cah see how that is cheating
that is fantastic

like baego say that is talant
if you want to change the name of yuh farcry exe and 4k up the hard work that they doin then u is just a mc                    

[TrinireturnofGamez]

optimisations that do not target a specific program to work are okay, but optimisations like nvidia is using target farcry specificaly because they are weak in the performance VS ATI, and optimisations like this usually decrease the IQ to get more performance.
 
  Farcry is slow because it was not as well coded as the other nex gen games, the engine is GREAT but they did not take the time to go through it and create specific codepaths for different hardware as they should.                    

[Defcon10]

optimisations that do not target a specific program to work are okay, but optimisations like nvidia is using target farcry specificaly because they are weak in the performance VS ATI, and optimisations like this usually decrease the IQ to get more performance.  

Farcry is slow because it was not as well coded as the other nex gen games, the engine is GREAT but they did not take the time to go through it and create specific codepaths for different hardware as they should.

Nvidia is not weak in performance vs ATI !!!!!!!  Farcry slow problems all over the net !!!!!!!                    

[TrinireturnofGamez]

Nvidia is like 10% for openGL games, and games with lots of shadows.

 ATI is 30-50% faster for shader intensive games like half life 2 .

 Nvidia is weak in FarCry vs ATI becuase of the shaders and the not so great coding of FarCry.

 in games that Nvidia is weak in they like to use optimisations that tend to decrease image quality.                    

[Defcon10]

Good tec info? Real world gaming %% means little                      

[TrinireturnofGamez]

30-40% IN REAL WORLD GAMING..

what doesn't matter is meaningless numbers like Gigapixels per second, fill rates, vertices per second etc. gaming benchmarks do matter, ALOT.

 i'm not anti nvidia.. nvidia makes some good cards now and again, but they go overboard alot when they try to sell their cards with lies..

 anyone remember when nvidia said the FX series would be 30 times faster than the Geforce 4 TIs? well in fact for the first 8 months the FX series was SLOWER than the gefoce 4s.
 NVidia said that the 6800 would be 4 times as fast as the 5950, it is not so in ANY test.

 Nvidia gives standard features snazzy names like "nfinite FX" etc. , when ATi , matrox and all the others have the same features. ATi does not go and boast that their cards have twice the features of any nvidia, which they do [ truform, fullstream, video shader, overdrive ] .

  ATi is the one doing the pioneering , they are quicker to put theories into practise [ FIFO buffer, truform] and use them effectivly. And all this talk about Shader 3.0 : using the FIFO buffer most of the ATi cards will be able to EMULATE most of the functions of shader 3.0 and still remain playable.                    

[Meamyam]

CryEngine coding weak? BWTMC I hearing.

What other engine in a current game can render so beautifully with playable frame rates? Be serious. The thing runs smoother than GTA3 on my PC (yuh wanna talk bout bad coding....)

And please stop calling it "next gen". A game based on the engine has shipped (Far Cry) has shipped so its "current gen" if anything.

Oh and as far as "optimizations" go - as soon as nvidia fix their "bugs" with lighting effects etc in farcry then I would call it optimization. Right now it look suspiciouly suspicious (especially since apparently thats The Way It's Meant To Be Played)                    

[Defcon10]

TrinithereturnofGamez you seem to be very educated. Iwould like to sit and have a chat one day. But for now friend hear are some coments from a forum that I was in with serious gamers. Not saying that we are not. I am anti no one !!!!!


"When customers stop buying products by their benchmarks and
start choosing by actual game performance,
manufacturers will start optimizing for game performance.
Then someone will come up with a benchmark that "simulates
real game play."

"Benchmarks mean crap and it seems no one that matters knows
this and keeps supplying benchmark scores as if they mean
something and it also seems to me that the average gamer
KNOWS they mean jack but ignore it when benchmarks are
released for their particular video card."

"Why do people even care about futuremark anymore.  :wink:                    

[TrinireturnofGamez]

the point it is... nvidia is starting to screw up the  entire point of using farcry as a benchmark for real world performance and not saying ANYTHING.  If they want to start using optimizations that target specific programs.. let them do it with EVERYTHING and prove to us that we are not losing any IQ.                    

[Defcon10]

In a way I agree with you... I think both Nvidia and Ati are guilty of a little underhand behaviour.
It's a dog eat dog world..... $$$$$$ is the bottom line..... This discussion could go on forever.

If not Farcry then another game. The object is to be critical and let everyone make up their mind which card to buy.....That is the only reason for benchmarking.

I select cards based on Customer Reviews only........the people that use the card is the final say!!

I have respect for your knowlege and look forward to more posts.

 :cheers:                    

[Osiris]

umm wtf allyuh talkin about farcry runs perfect on my pc!!!


no stik AT ALLL


Radeon 9600 Pro
512 MB DDR Dual Channel Ram
P4 2.4 ghz

what wrong is that allyuh pc not up to spec                    

[TrinireturnofGamez]

thats because its tweaked to your system.. if you touch AA at all it will lag.. push the res real hi.. lag..

 actually farcry runs nicely on my radeon 8500  and PIII with everything but AA on.. just when you hit a barrel or shoot someone... the game will freeze for 5 secs till it calculates the physics... and with higher res and AA.. laaag..                    

[Defcon10]

The only time I have a problem with a game running on my

Abit SR7-8X
Intel Pentium 4/ 2.53 GHz 533MHz FSB, 512K L2 Cache Processor
Leadtek 128MB  GeForce4 Ti4200 8X overclocked
512MB Crucial DDR333  PC2700
XP

is when I play C&C Zero Hour 8 Player Map - 7 vs 1, any other game no problem !!!!