Author Topic: Ati strikes back (Read 10509 times)

TrinireturnofGamez · « **Reply #20 on:** May 05, 2004, 05:05:33 PM »

CoD uses pixel shaders for water and shellshock blur effects... OpenGL does not have them ....

is been on the net.. not very highlighted though

Since the last report we have also been active with our Pixel Shader investigations. We now have a working pass-through implementation that allows us to pass pre-translated fragment programs into OpenGL. The next step here is for us to translate the D3D pixel shaders into OpenGL fragment programs, trying to support as many of the shader language versions as possible on the existing OpenGL fragment program specification. We will be working on refining this for inclusion into WineX as well as working proactively to address some of the limitations of the proposed OpenGL 2.0 specs for fragment programs, making it a better translation target for D3D shaders version 2.0 and up.

CoD uses OpenGL but fragments of D3D in order to use pixel shaders.

Carigamers · « **Reply #20 on:** May 05, 2004, 05:05:33 PM »

Chronos · « **Reply #21 on:** May 05, 2004, 05:08:17 PM »

plow!, buss back ah slap oui

Rampage · « **Reply #22 on:** May 05, 2004, 05:15:48 PM »

but if its translated to opengl, then it stills runs off opengl and not dx9. the fragments may be based on dx9 but runs off opengl. anyhow you take it, is opengl. if it was direct dx9 shaders then they wouldnt be using translations for opengl

this is from an interview with infinity ward chief creative officer:

NVIDIA: What kinds of tweaks have you made to the Return to Castle Wolfenstein/Quake III engine for Call of Duty?

VZ: We've basically replaced everything except the menu system and the network code. Also we've heavily modified the editor and the shader language. The short list is: AI, scripting language, render, visibility system, terrain system, vehicle system, animation system, model system, fx system, and weapon system.

Rampage · « **Reply #23 on:** May 05, 2004, 05:18:39 PM »

ohh and lemme add something else. in all the benchmarks COD is marked as opengl. doh bring no hybrid shit into this

/me busses one more slap on trinireturnofthemc

SUPR3M3 · « **Reply #24 on:** May 05, 2004, 05:24:03 PM »

/me yawns
all these reviews and benchmarks are getting me bored. Until I get feedback from people who actually bought those cards off the shelf in their local or online store. All those company reviews can take a back seat.
The best advice are those you find in the comments section on Amazon and all those other online shopping sites. Where you get the real pros and cons.

Carigamers · « **Reply #24 on:** May 05, 2004, 05:24:03 PM »

TrinireturnofGamez · « **Reply #25 on:** May 05, 2004, 06:13:50 PM »

actually alot of people who buy those cards say total crap about them ....

you will get one out of ten usefull reviews.. but it takes alot of searching ..

i'll call it a hybrid if i want... CoD is a HYBRID!!!

i'm sure both the new radeon cards will be able to overclock real nice.. the geforce FX6800 ultra should be a nice overclocker too.. if you got lots of fans in the case... and a powwwweeerful power supply....

well at least is not ANOTHER 5800... the 6900 will probably fix alot of nvidias problems... or the 6800 GT might... never rush to buy anything new.. wait and see what happens..

at least we still have 2 very competative companies back at each others necks again... and soon we will get 9800 pro for 150 USD!

Anonymous · « **Reply #26 on:** May 06, 2004, 12:24:20 AM »

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i'm sure both the new radeon cards will be able to overclock real nice..

no they wont
runnin on old technology

ATI next gen cards will oc nice, look out for that later this year/early next year

TrinireturnofGamez · « **Reply #27 on:** May 06, 2004, 07:21:01 AM »

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i'm sure both the new radeon cards will be able to overclock real nice..

no they wont
runnin on old technology

ATI next gen cards will oc nice, look out for that later this year/early next year

ATi's CURRANT process used in their X-800 chips is THE most advanced process in use for ALL GRAPHICS CHIPS. SHADER 2.0/3.0 DO NOT FRIGGIN MATTER NOW! no games support 3.0, ATi's 2.0 is better than nvidias 3.0 for quality........

read the WHOLE review before you say something like that...

SUPR3M3 · « **Reply #28 on:** May 06, 2004, 08:28:39 AM »

Also to could you please not put that (-) between the X and the numbers. It doesn't make sense because that'll mean 10-800 <= looks weird doesn't it. Also you don't write your roman numerlas like X-X-V-I-I-I do you? Just write it how ATi did X800 it simple, easy to remember and looks a hell of a lot better. That is all thanks.

Flippant · « **Reply #29 on:** May 06, 2004, 10:17:04 AM »

actually tomshardware did oc the x800 and you cannot crank up the clock very much. something like 15 mhz.
the 6800's seem to have much more headroom to overclock

TrinireturnofGamez · « **Reply #30 on:** May 06, 2004, 01:42:53 PM »

then the ram must be limiting, the ATi Radeon 9800 256mb pro could not o/c more than 5 mhz.. but all the others could do alot more.. could be the card they got, Ocing depends on the luck of the draw... some chips can fly.. others can't crawl..

but it IS significantly cooler than the 6800, it uses much less power , all the signs of a good overclocker.

Rampage · « **Reply #31 on:** May 06, 2004, 02:36:17 PM »

gotta agree with trinireturnofthemc on that one. the x800 will make an excellent overclocker

TrinireturnofGamez · « **Reply #32 on:** May 06, 2004, 03:47:13 PM »

http://www.firingsquad.com/hardware/ati_ra...800/default.asp

see? the firing squad got it higher.

when it comes to video cards i know what i'm talking about.

coldstorm · « **Reply #33 on:** May 06, 2004, 09:54:20 PM »

it seems u make claims of reading the review but u miss out damm important info the x800 pro cannot be mad into x800 xt. why u ask ?
becuase the extra 4 pixel pipelines when made from the stock chip after they are tested and it decide that the chip is for a x800 pro the pipelines are sealed permanetly so u cannot make a x800 pro into a x800 xt

TrinireturnofGamez · « **Reply #34 on:** May 06, 2004, 10:29:48 PM »

and how do they seal those 4 pipes?

by either software , if so a soft mod will unlock them

or hardware thingy.. if so you can try to unlock it the same way you unlocked hyperthreading on your P4 northwood : connect the dots..

i doubt they could permanantly.. "seal off " the pipes.. in Durons and Celerons the companies are supposed to permananlty seal of the extra cache... but there are ways to unlock it.

TrinireturnofGamez · « **Reply #35 on:** May 06, 2004, 10:36:08 PM »

of course this is even more luck-of-the draw than overclocking,
ATi has to come up with a certain number of X-800 pros, so you will find a few perfectly good XT chips in the batch..

coldstorm · « **Reply #36 on:** May 06, 2004, 10:48:18 PM »

u don't understand do u these aren't soft sealed not even got a connection to try to activate these are sealed on die . ain't got no way to open them up. as far find a 800xt as 800 pro unlikley there be 1 in a 100,000 at most .so much easier to destroy something on die than to make

TrinireturnofGamez · « **Reply #37 on:** May 06, 2004, 11:22:33 PM »

the 6800 GT has been reviewed on www.fireringsquad.com

its a lower end version to the 6800 ultra, lower clock etc., needs less power but still takes up 2 slots.

and its also been proven that you only need a 350 watt TRU power brand name psu... you would want a 450 watt if you use generics to be safe...

TrinireturnofGamez · « **Reply #38 on:** May 07, 2004, 02:38:37 PM »

http://www.anandtech.com/news/shownews.html?i=22124

a preview of what is to come.......

1 year or more from now....

coldstorm · « **Reply #39 on:** May 07, 2004, 03:10:41 PM »

lets see cooling with dry ice is beyond alomst all our pockets come again please

also oc 6800 extreme ultra to the max let see some number

Carigamers · « **Reply #39 on:** May 07, 2004, 03:10:41 PM »

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