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Views on upgradin to vista.

Most definately!MS ownz my soul!
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Hmm, if its a technically smart option.
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If i get it free...
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Not even if i get it free.
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STEUPSSSS F#%$% MS!!!
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Re: Who upgradin to VISTA???
« Reply #60 on: April 12, 2006, 10:54:59 AM »
Major thread hijack went on here. Maybe a separate might be better.

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Re: Who upgradin to VISTA???
« Reply #61 on: April 12, 2006, 03:59:35 PM »
Some good thoughts for the subject: http://www.lugradio.org/episodes/47
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Re: Who upgradin to VISTA???
« Reply #62 on: April 13, 2006, 09:20:56 AM »
not hijacking i see comparasons to other os based on the new vista code if you will....
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Re: Who upgradin to VISTA???
« Reply #63 on: April 15, 2006, 02:02:45 PM »
Well here's what should be going on more often (along meh lines of a unified Linux OS), you make the point disciple that, that would defeat the idea of open development. I beg to differ, I believe that working towards 1 goal by all would benefit of course each developer and each section has to be entitled to express their ideas and meat out the best plans. Its not like we saying develop THIS and NOTHING else... yuh feel is Intel oh wha?
Anyways here's where I planned to start off:
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Red Hat aims for open-source stack

Column Linux distro buys JBoss, sparks M&A action


By Martin Veitch: Tuesday 11 April 2006, 11:56

COULD A THOUSAND predictions that Oracle would buy JBoss be wrong? You betcha.
When JBoss founder Marc Fleury signed on the dotted line a few minutes before midnight on Friday, it put a stop to what was becoming a tediously protracted parlour game of predicting who would buy the hot open-source application server firm.

Red Hat’s acquisition agreement with JBoss promises to be one of the most interesting deals of a year likely to be heavy with merger and acquisition activity.

First of all, these are companies with personality. JBoss founder Marc Fleury is a hoot of course, a younger version of Philippe Kahn with bags of attitude. His story is also a good one. Five years ago he was forced to move in with the parents in law after running out of money and now he is selling his company for up to $420m with a good chunk of it in cash. His blog is often hilarious and the recent entry about his Business Week interview is well worth checking out. As is his surreal take on combining with Red Hat:

"Today is the beginning of 'Red'; we are going to wonderland and the rabbit hole keeps on going. Just like the Matrix protagonist wakes up to find 'the real battle', JBoss, Inc. today is stepping up to a bigger challenge by merging with RedHat."

Oh, OK then.

Red Hat chief Matthew Szulik is also good value with a likeable taste for corny jokes – nothing wrong with that. They should webcast the board meetings and sell subscriptions.

Second, Red Hat is clearly building a stack here and the companies that stand to be affected are some of the biggest in the business. HP’s malfunctioning efforts to build a middleware business means that it is largely unaffected but IBM and Sun will be looking at this deal with a little trepidation. JBoss is certainly going to be a lot more credible with big accounts now that it has Red Hat’s capital behind it.

Third, the deal is probably going to cause a domino effect. BEA might look more attractive than ever to Oracle and others but open-source middleware firms will too. If not now, then when?

Fourth, Red Hat might be glad that business is not a popularity contest. Neither firm has much respect from the open-source militant tendency and lashing them together won’t change matters. Don’t expect any penguins to get hugged.

By the way, anybody who thinks that this business of prognosticating the future of technology is easy should look at the InfoWorld link here. There but for the grace of God… µ


well, the article itself refers to an operating systems vendor, merging  an application server company,
( in this case, JBoss allows crossplatform Java apps to be run over the network, with the JBoss application server , written in Java, hosting them) 

not so much as the entire linux community saying we getting behind Jboss and supporting it as our main solution... or two operating system vendors merging..

red hat is just one company that does not speak for everyone , and even so, i am not sure if the merger will affect its grassroots  user base ..   ( it is real impact will be felt by its business customers.., those who would require an applications server)

but i understand what you're saying, wintry..

i not claiming that consolidation is going to be the end of open source development,or is contrary to its tenets... but what i am saying, is that the open source community is not as fragmented and disorganised as a lot of people think ( thanks a lot to MS and others,  spreading FUD) .. 

as i stated earlier, the competing desktops have matured a lot, with strong support networks, backing them financially as well as with manpower...  and the same can be said of many open source projects.. like samba ( SMB networking for MS internetworking) , the kernel itself , X.org ( graphics) etc etc...    that have been standardised..    yes, sometimes the development 'forks' ( basically somebody get vex and decide to go in a different direction, but with a mature project, this hardly happens, tho it could..) but even this process is good for growth...

its the same as in the commercial world, where you have many different vendors offering similar applications..


the distributions , for the most part, don't try to reinvent the wheel for each release .. and many of them share the same tools/components









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Re: Who upgradin to VISTA???
« Reply #64 on: May 09, 2006, 09:53:59 AM »
Just some stuff on Linux:
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Torvalds backs Linux overhaul

Squish all bugs


By Nick Farrell: Tuesday 09 May 2006, 09:23

THE BRAIN behind the Linux kernel, Linus Torvalds, has backed calls for an overhaul of the 2.6 version.
Yesterday, we reported how Torvalds' number two, Andrew Morton, said that he wanted a bug-fixing cycle because he thought the current version was too buggy.

Torvalds told Linux.com that although the story was "somewhat sensationalistic" [is that a word? ed] the worry was real.

He said that the Linux teams had not had a "breather" when it comes to development and presumably everyone was suffering from oxygen depravation. He said that it may end up that 2.6.16 becomes that breather so that 2.6 can become more stable.

"Otherwise, we may end up just saying, "OK, no new features for 2.6.18" or something, and forcing people to calm down a bit," Torvalds said.

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Linux kernel is just not up to scratch

Another Andrew Morton exclusive


By Nick Farrell: Monday 08 May 2006, 15:16

 ANDREW MORTON, the Linux lead maintainer and not the confidante of the late Princess of Wales, has made the startling claim that the Linux production kernel has too many defects.
Morton told the LinuxTag conference in Wiesbaden, Germany that he was considering drastic action to resolve resolve the number of bugs in the 2.6 kernal.

He said that Kernel developers needed to spend more time fixing bugs and he is planning to have an entire cycle dedicated to the task.

One problem was that few developers could be arsed working on defects and this was causing problems for those using old computers or peripherals.

Part of the reason for this was that many kernel developers are employed by IT companies who are not interested in five year-old peripherals that no-one is selling any more. µ

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Re: Who upgradin to VISTA???
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Re: Who upgradin to VISTA???
« Reply #65 on: May 09, 2006, 11:43:09 AM »
lol.. indeed...


it's a good thing, and hopefully it's gonna give the kernel an opportunity to stabilise.

i believe MS had a similar project..  they called it Windows XP... ( lol. seriously, was it XP or 2000 that they claimed to do a total rewrite (ostensibly to fix bugs and streamline code )? correct me if i am wrong) 


that's not sayin that the linux kernel is held together by chewing gum and duct tape, though..  as the article says, it's with reference to the 2.6 kernel

the 2.4 and 2.2 kernels are still options ( though may not have as much features or may be as fast.. but they are extremely stable)  and are still in use if one does not trust 2.6    ( slackware, a well-respected distro , still uses 2.4 .. as well as 'damn small linux ')


a major difference between the MS world, and Linux world ( not sure about BSD tho)  is that you can change your kernel yourself..
   you can compile one yourself ( download, and compile it for your needs, removing options that you don't want)
   or get one made by your distribution ( as an upgrade, apart from the kernel that the distribution released with)

currently there are production ( stable, for everyone) and development ( to intro new features and test them)     



as it is, the bugs in the production kernel don't appear to be show-stoppers. ( still this is no reason to ignore them)
i re-iterate, it's a good thing..  i myself use 2.6 and there are a couple problems i have with regards to wireless ( though this is covered by a separate  project, i am hoping that more people  take  their example and have a bug-fix cycle)





     
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Re: Who upgradin to VISTA???
« Reply #66 on: June 01, 2006, 10:44:06 AM »
Here is the most complete and comprehensive review of Vista to date. It's 500hrs of testing and it is 40 pages long. It's on Tom's Hardware and can be found here

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Re: Who upgradin to VISTA???
« Reply #67 on: June 02, 2006, 08:08:05 PM »
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Microsoft just upped the ante on internal conflict with the release of Vista Beta 2. It boils down to this: The software giant is favoring security and IT controls over end-user productivity. Don't get me wrong, security and IT manageability are very good things. But some of the people actually using the Beta 2 Vista software describe their experience as akin to that of a rat caught in a maze.

Business and home users will be nonplussed by the blizzard of protect-you-from-yourself password-entry and "Continue" boxes required by the User Account Controls feature, for example. Networking functions and settings are scattered all over the place. The same is true of what Windows XP calls Display Properties. By default, the main menus (you know, File, Edit, View, etc.) are turned off on Windows Vista folders, Internet Explorer 7 and several other programs and utilities that come with Vista. Listing 20 things you won't like about Windows Vista was unfortunately all too easy. The question is: Why couldn't Microsoft see this coming?

a visual tour of the author's top 20 peeves with Vista that he thinks may be likely to piss you off too
http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?command=viewArticleBasic&articleId=9000829

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i forgot to mention that for other OSes , like linux, or bsd, having to enter a password for every serious action is the norm..  so for someone used to this, is no scene..
for the 'click and run 'windows crew, it might be a problem.. havent tried out vista personally,so i cah say how annoyin it is..
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Re: Who upgradin to VISTA???
« Reply #68 on: June 08, 2006, 10:55:55 AM »
In case anyone interested, look a link to dl both Vista Beta 2 and Office 2007

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Re: Who upgradin to VISTA???
« Reply #69 on: June 08, 2006, 11:14:10 AM »
Thanks, man. I signed up for the customer preview thing some weeks ago and i thought i had to wait until they emailed me until i could get it. Downloading now....

actually...the site jam up right now so i'm not getting through. Ill try later.
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Re: Who upgradin to VISTA???
« Reply #70 on: June 27, 2006, 01:37:46 PM »
Update:
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Microsoft gives up on WinFS

Brilliant idea turns to vapour


By Nick Farrell: Tuesday 27 June 2006, 13:27

SOFTWARE GIANT Microsoft is dropping hints that it is giving up on its super-soaraway big idea WinFS.
WinFS was originally touted to be one of the pillars that Microsoft Vista was supposed to be built upon and was supposed to revolutionise the way users manage information.

The outfit later changed its mind on that one, promising that one day it would be seen as a Vista add-on.

According to Quentin Clark, a official Volish blogger, it seems that Microsoft seems to stick the vapourware on the never-never, at least as Vista is concerned.

You can tell he is setting people up for a fall when, on this as his bog here, he starts talking in the past tense about the great technical innovations that WinFS created.

"The most visible example of this today is the work we are now doing in the next version of ADO.NET for Orcas. The Entities features we are now building in ADO.NET started as things we were building for the WinFS API," Clarke ducks and dives.

The Vole has decided to that life is not going to be just about WinFS but make it more general purpose. This means shoving it into SQL and ADO.NET, and not delivering a separate WinFS offering, he bogs.

WinFS has been around since it was first touted as an add on to Windows NT upgrade in 1994. It was jettisoned when Vole couldn't get it to work. In those days it was considered that Microsoft's idea of getting file systems to run objects was a bit too ahead of its time. Vista will run a more traditional file system.

One of the reasons that Clark has to play down WinFS is that Microsoft made lots of promises that it would appear in the future. In 2003, Gates described it as the Holy Grail. Well they have a nasty habit of being tricky to find too.

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Re: Who upgradin to VISTA???
« Reply #71 on: June 27, 2006, 05:48:39 PM »
was real sad to read that..

billG was promisin winfs (though, not by that name) since windows 95 was still known as 'chicago'..

i really thought they was gonna pull it off this rounds tho
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Re: Who upgradin to VISTA???
« Reply #72 on: August 25, 2006, 09:51:48 AM »
Some more 'downgrades' or 'downsides' for the upcoming super soaraway man on the moon OS from Bill:

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Microsoft doesn't yet play games on Vista

Games Convention 2006 Duck behind the hype


By Fuad Abazovic in Leipzig: Friday 25 August 2006, 08:42

 WE MANAGED to check some Microsoft's machines here at the games Convention.
The firm has its Vista logo all over its boothm, but all the machines that we investigated were running Windows XP.

Obviously, it is still not the right time to switch to Vista as things might be not stable for current games. We hope that they can meet the early 2007 schedules.

One machine that we managed to take down was showing off the Age of Empires III. That's below, just in front of the Games for Windows Vista logo.

And this one should piss some ppl off:
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Microsoft dumps another Vista feature

32-bit versions can't play back BluRay and HD-DVD


By Nick Farrell: Friday 25 August 2006, 08:25

 SOFTWARE GIANT Microsoft has decided that 32-bit versions of Windows Vista will not be able to play back studio-released BluRay and HD-DVD movies.
The move has removed yet another promise that Microsoft made about Vista, namely that it would be backward compatible with 32-bit processors.

This means that it is almost certain that those who want to use HD-Drives or Blu-Ray and Vista will have to buy new hardware. This is good news for Intel and AMD who will have 64 bit chips available, but not so hot for those who just want install Vista on their old machines.

Microsoft’s senior program manager Steve Riley made the announcement at Tech.Ed 2006 in Sydney yesterday.

He said that the reason was the Hollywood Studios told Vole that they didn’t want any of their high definition content to play in x32. Hollywood fears all of the unsigned malware that runs in kernel mode can get around content protection.

Riley pointed out that most people didn’t have a DVD player that you know can output a proper 1080 line non-interlaced anyway. By the time they do, he said, 64 bit will be mainstream.

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Re: Who upgradin to VISTA???
« Reply #73 on: August 25, 2006, 11:44:46 AM »
There was an update to that Win....

It can be found here

http://www.apcstart.com/site/dwarne/2006/08/1147/we-were-wrong-about-hd-playback-in-vista-microsoft

But, there response made them look even worse than the initial blunder.  I voted the Steups route...cuz from their bungling, I'm fairly certain I don't want it until I have to take it. 
I'd believe u if you were right.

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Re: Who upgradin to VISTA???
« Reply #74 on: August 25, 2006, 02:39:04 PM »
I voted the Steups route...cuz from their bungling, I'm fairly certain I don't want it until I have to take it. 
Note even dread... I may go linux then... and stick with ...eeeeek dare I say it... console gaming only 0_o *W1nTry hears sounds of crickets chirping loudly*

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Re: Who upgradin to VISTA???
« Reply #75 on: August 25, 2006, 11:49:57 PM »
lol @ wintry goin linux..

well, if you need a distro, i have suse 10.1 dvd and kubuntu 6.06  around somewhere...
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Re: Who upgradin to VISTA???
« Reply #76 on: August 29, 2006, 01:56:29 PM »
Since getting my first OS way back, DOS 6.22, closely followed by Windows 3.11, I have bought most Windows versions close to the launch. I skipped ME (lucky me) and 2000 (not good enough for games) and have been satisfied with XP since. Some people don't seem to remember the noise being made when XP was released and the requirements needed to run it decently.

http://reviews.zdnet.co.uk/software/os/0,39024180,10000653,00.htm

My PC was always a little closer to mid/high end so I had little worries. I think the same will be true about Vista. I most likely will spring for it close to launch. Fortunately, I will be in the market for a new PC (Intel Core 2 Duo of course) so it will be a bit easier.

As for other options ... Well, we have dug this hole ourselves and have nobody else to blame. The fact is that gamers will always go where the games are and right now that is on a Microsoft platform. We also know that developers will go where the gamers are and thus we have the almighty PC games cycle. All the talk about Microsoft Office and any other software is kinda irrelevant, IMHO, because Linux has that covered. Games are the main attraction and that is what is going to drive sales of Vista, if not at launch, then eventually. Until we get Crysis, World of Warcraft, Half-Life 3, Need for Speed Carbon, Starcraft 2, etc. for Linux, we will be stuck with Vista and whatever follows. I am not sure how this cycle can be broken. Ports for Linux take valuable resources away from actual game development. Now, with DirectX 10, there will be an even greater discrepancy between platforms in terms of games. Yes, there are always open source games to consider, but a gamer will hear the call of a boss game developed by Blizzard, EA, etc. and come running back to Vista. Keep in mind that Microsoft is spending a considerable amount of time on "Games for Windows" marketing and you will see how focused they are on keeping their hold on the market.

Personally, I plan on triple booting XP for old games, Vista for new games and some flavor of Linux (Mandriva most probably) for day to day stuff. I would try booting more OS's like Windows 98 or even DOS (for some really old games) but I think these new 64-bit CPU's confuse the $hit out of them. One OS to rule them all ... Not likely unless we start seeing more games on Linux.  :mellow:

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Re: Who upgradin to VISTA???
« Reply #77 on: September 03, 2006, 03:13:14 PM »
Vista RC1 is out people. It should be RTM by the end of October. It's really coming along IMO. Its about 100X more stable and runs a lot smoother than any of the betas.

More here...http://www.internet-nexus.com/

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Re: Who upgradin to VISTA???
« Reply #78 on: September 04, 2006, 10:43:28 AM »
I read you need a activation key to use te RC1, is this true? I have yet to try it although I have already dled it. That and I intend to intall it to a VM, any known issues with this?

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Re: Who upgradin to VISTA???
« Reply #79 on: September 04, 2006, 11:05:25 AM »
The Pre RC1 build could be activated with the same key that people that signed up for the beta 2 got. I dont know if the same key can be used to activate RC1. Mine is still downloading so ill have to wait a while until i know for sure. BTW W1n is it the RC1 or the PRE RC1 build you have?

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  • TriniXjin: Watch Black Clover Everyone!
    February 01, 2020, 06:30:00 PM
  • Crimson609: lol
    February 01, 2020, 05:05:53 PM
  • Skitz: So fellas how we go include listing for all dem parts for pc on we profile but doh have any place for motherboard?
    January 24, 2020, 09:11:33 PM
  • Crimson609: :ph34r:
    January 20, 2019, 09:23:28 PM
  • Crimson609: Big up ya whole slef
    January 20, 2019, 09:23:17 PM
  • protomanex: Gyul like Link
    January 20, 2019, 09:23:14 PM
  • protomanex: Man like Kitana
    January 20, 2019, 09:22:39 PM
  • protomanex: Man like Chappy
    January 20, 2019, 09:21:53 PM
  • protomanex: Gyul Like Minato
    January 20, 2019, 09:21:48 PM
  • protomanex: Gyul like XJin
    January 20, 2019, 09:19:53 PM
  • protomanex: Shout out to man like Crimson
    January 20, 2019, 09:19:44 PM
  • Crimson609: shout out to gyal like Corbie Gonta
    January 20, 2019, 09:19:06 PM
  • cold_187: Why allur don't make a discord or something?
    December 03, 2018, 06:17:38 PM
  • Red Paradox: https://www.twitch.tv/flippay1985 everyday from 6:00pm
    May 29, 2018, 09:40:09 AM
  • Red Paradox: anyone play EA Sports UFC 3.. Looking for a challenge. PSN: Flippay1985 :)
    May 09, 2018, 11:00:52 PM
  • cold_187: @TriniXjin not really, I may have something they need (ssd/ram/mb etc.), hence why I also said "trade" ;)
    February 05, 2018, 10:22:14 AM

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