7800 Series

[Crixx_Creww]

ALIEN WARE HAS RELEASED THEIR AREA 51 SYSTEMS USING BOTH THE A 64 x2

http://www.alienware.com/Configurator_Pages/aurora_7500_sli.aspx?SysCode=PC-AURORA-7500&SubCode=SKU-DEFAULT



and the P4   WITH NVIDIA 7800 GTX YAYYYY

http://www.alienware.com/Configurator_Pages/area-51_5500.aspx?SysCode=PC-AREA51-5500-R1&SubCode=SKU-DEFAULT

[Beomagi]

Given that the card can be bought up here for $550, i think it's an OUTSTANDING next gen part. Simply cause it's AVAILABLE. the problem with many next gen parts was a bunch of on paper launches that most of us just could oooohh and aahhhh at. When 512MB cards came out, they debut at over $800us. When the 6800ultra x800xt and x850xt were first available, prices were accross the board from 700 to OVER A THOUSAND FOR THE x850xt, to say nothing for the ultra extreme and phantom edition cards.

The 7800 came out before any game or benchmark had a chance to topple 6800gt sli, and it's WIDELY available, for way under what i was expecting to see. $550 for a card that the undisputed fastest? capable of running on a generic 400 watter without err, sli capable, and one slot - holy crap (counts fingers) that's everything i wanted!

what did you want? a complete redesign? all they CAN do is play pipeline and bandwidth tricks. That's mostly what they've done since geforce 3. cept for the fx which was an attempt at VLIW processing(albeit with lower than necessary bandwidth and 32bit instead of 24 bit precision) - and we know how that turned out

[TrinireturnofGamez]

 we expect ( or at least i) a 50% increase every  generation of cards , the thing has 50% more transistors and pipelines , but it isn't 50% faster than the 6800 ultra , its nice that Nvidia launched them in good supply  , but it probably cost them  a pretty penny , the chip is 300 million transistors , they probably started producing these since last year october/december to get enough yields to put out this many cards , but what might be interesting is when they start to make 16 and 12 pipe cards with G70 technology , using half bad 7800 chips and  cut down models of the die , we would be able to get 6800 level performance  for 200-250 US around october once Nvidia makes use of the 90nm process, and later on we may  see a 32 pipeline monster card that would succeed the 7800 in late 2005/early 2006 , it would be twice as fast as a geforce 6800gt  ! 
   I'm not doubting nvidia's technology and innovation , the card does significantly improve shader performance for nvidia and add a nice new anti aliasing mode  , but right now the 7800 gtx doesn't look to be worth the money , when it comes down to around 400 US it will be .

[W1nTry]

Trini the reason they have good supply is NOT cause they started stocking up sine last year, Dell proved that, that business model will kill you. They STOPPED relying on IBM Fishkil plant to manufacture their GPUs and switched to TSMC in China which is proving to have great yields. Such nonesense u speak sometimes... *Sighs* as for 50% more pipelines 50% better performance... yeah... and last I checked the netburst architecture was supposed to ramp to 10GHz and hard drives were supposed to be replaced by solid state. Geez man look, its 50% more pipes and in some cases shows 70% increases in performance, theres no pleasing some ppl. I for one think its a decent card considering its less power hungry DESPITE being a large die. Availability is a plus and its currently the undisputed champ, so whaev cudos to nvidia on this one.

[W1nTry]

Again a double topic.... merged.

[Beomagi]

it's hard to expect a 50% increase in gaming speeds. expecially with low quality options.
one very impressive review was at firingsquad.com. at 2048x1536x32 4xaa 16xaf, on super sampling, which looks even better than ati's 4x (holy crap! is it the end of the world already?!) nvidia's card took a 2 frame hit in performance. wanna see a BIG jump - check out the battlefield 2 benchmarks. the 7800gtx tripling the 6800ultra score.

I think the big jump will come when samsung's new memory comes into play. We really can't get much more from 1000-1250MHz

[Crixx_Creww]

hmmmnnn
nvidia cards doing better aa and ani than ati??? *gasp* first osx coming to x86 hardware and now this!!!!
runnn ahhhhhh


Lol

anyways, what trini is also not takin into consideration is that this isnt even the ultra version of the card.
And expecting 50% more performance than a 6800 ultra isnt right.
Compare the card to the 6800gt and yud get a better idea of where its heading

[TrinireturnofGamez]

Trini the reason they have good supply is NOT cause they started stocking up sine last year, Dell proved that, that business model will kill you. They STOPPED relying on IBM Fishkil plant to manufacture their GPUs and switched to TSMC in China which is proving to have great yields. Such nonesense u speak sometimes... *Sighs* as for 50% more pipelines 50% better performance... yeah... and last I checked the netburst architecture was supposed to ramp to 10GHz and hard drives were supposed to be replaced by solid state. Geez man look, its 50% more pipes and in some cases shows 70% increases in performance, theres no pleasing some ppl. I for one think its a decent card considering its less power hungry DESPITE being a large die. Availability is a plus and its currently the undisputed champ, so whaev cudos to nvidia on this one.

 Nvidia had higher yields than ATI when they were on the IBM 13nm process, even though ati had smaller chips and was using TSMC 13nm TSMC , even if they get exceedingly low failure rates with TSMC , the core is still huge and less will be produced per wafer vs a 6800 .  Yes nvidia does deserver a round of applause for having the fastest card in the world , and having so many available , but its still not as fast as i expected .
   Also , this is higher clocked than a 6800 ultra, and 50% more pipes ,  so performance comparison is very fair just cause its suffix is 'GTX' doesn't mean its not the fastest card nvidia will crank out , nvidia may have dropped the 'ultra' suffix altogether for this generation of cards .
   I know that the 7800 PWNZ once you push up high resolutions and anti aliasing , but there is no game out for it to really show off its power yet anyway  , and for the 600 US that  we have to pay for it we should be getting 512MB cards, GDDR3 is pretty cheap as it is .

[TriniXaeno]

good lookin out w1ntry.

Yeah, remember trini, the card will show 50% increase in performance in some scenarios. So by that definition, they would have delivered "next gen" performance.

Likewise, in some areas you may see little if any performance gain at all.

Availability and pricing are excellent points. Especially when you marry that with the low power requirements and SLI possibility.

A win win for sure.

Remember, this is still a welcome progression compared to the fiasco of the original FX, where you saw very little performance gains against it's predecessors.

To this day, the TI 4200 - 4600 still wtfpwn their Fx brethren in price performance, if you could only find them for sale. Stocks all but dried up.

7800 IWMC!!!!

Out doing ATI at AA is no easy task. That is serious KUDOS.

blotoye @ triple scores on Battlefield 2.

btw, anyone playings game at 2048x1536x32 4xaa 16xaf, should be shot on sight.

that is just plain ridiculous

[W1nTry]

Well more good news for Nvidia, seems they have regained the with some headroom the 3DMark 2005 top score. The managed a 16k + score with 2 7800GTX's in SLI (as if it would be anything else) with some nice OCing and watercooling. Here's the orig article:

DFI board scores 16000 3Dmarks 2005

Two Geforce 7800GTX water-cooled + compressor

By Fuad Abazovic in the Bosnian wilds: Wednesday 29 June 2005, 09:53
NVIDIA COULD not be any happier these days. An executive VP at the company run over Fudo, "Fudo" R520 is suppose to be delayed and Nvidia cards are performing and shipping. Best of all it's winning all the benchmarks.

Just a few weeks ago, ATI broke Nvidia's record with Cthe rossfire system and two X850 XT PE cards and Nvidia is finally ready to take the crown back. ATI kept it for just a few weeks only.

DFI's Nforce 4 SLI motherboard powered with 600W OCZ PSU, two Geforce 7800GTX and a FX55 CPU scored 16086 in 3Dmark05. If we are talking about older 3Dmark03 we are talking aboutan amazing 34891 score, of course in an SLI system with two cards.

A single card scores 9922 in 3Dmark05 and managed to clock it at 549MHz core and 1439MHz for the memory. In 3Dmark03 the card will score 21168 while in good old 3Dmark01 you will score an impressive 41646.

We have to underline that Crossfire is yet to be shipped while Nvidia G70, Geforce 7800GTX cards are shipping as we speak and you won’t have any troubles getting FX55, or even FX57 and any of those components.

The guy known as Oppaniter manage to reach this score using PCIce -90C cascade cooling and he cooled two Nvidia cards with recognisable Swiftech MCW-50 blocks and water cooling. We played with this one as we find it very nice.

You can check more details http://www.xtremeresources.com/forums/showthread.php?t=37262.

Below are some pics of the SLI rig and the SLI benchies:

[W1nTry]

And here are the Single card scores: Can u spell 7800GTX ULTRA Gainward Golden samples!!!

[virusone]

Anyone week at the knees yet....

[TriniXaeno]

lol @ weak at knees.

I'm having it's baby in 8 months, 3 weeks.

[Crixx_Creww]

.. i have to go change my panties...
complete omg wtf baby daddy ownage

[TriniXaeno]

rofl @ panties.

dread, those scores make my machine look as fast as a dead rabbit.

[W1nTry]

wait baego don't you mean a dead rabbit thats sixteen feet underground embedded in the concrete of a new overpass? those score are something to be feared though... ATI hadda come REAHELL GOOD to match that and we not talking paper launch business. Speaking of which I hear 'FUDO' delayed (prolly looking to be able to offer large quantities on launch as Nvidia has done an EXCELLENT job of with the 7800GTX) PLUS CROSSFIRE NOT coming till after 'FUDO' launch officially EVEN though they have already paper launched crossfire... ah well.

[cdx2k1]

What is FUDO?

[W1nTry]

'FUDO' is the ATI R520 gpu or their next gen card as it were.

[Beomagi]

it's such a weird name though

when i hear FUDO, first thing i think of is F.U.D.

[W1nTry]

Here is some updates on 'FUDO', its seems to be a real pain in ATI's proverbial derierre

ATI taped out R520, again

Each time it costs five to six million dollars

By Fuad Abazovic: Thursday 07 July 2005, 09:46
ATI IS STRUGGLING hard to get its 90 nanometre R520 chip to market. Nvidia already has its G70, Geforce 7800 GTX, the 7800GT is coming and ATI still doesn't seem to have an answer to this. ATI is experimenting with yields, and as we have already reported, the company has been sampling R520 for some time.

We reported it will work at 600MHz or more, but we know that ATI was not happy with its initial yield numbers. The first tape out meant ATI got itself a nice performer but many chips from the wafer haven't worked, so the Red Boys decided to re-tape it out again. ATI did so in order to increase the yields, of course.

It takes four to six weeks to tape out the chip again and ATI did the second re-tape just before Nvidia launched G70 chip, but sources claim the results were unsatisfactory. The chip is fast but not too many chips on the wafer actually work as they should.

You can confirm those re-tapes and additional costs at ATI conference calls as it cannot hide the additional operating costs from its investors.

I just cannot understand one thing. How come ATI was able to ship millions of R500, Xbox 360 chips to Microsoft's launch scheduled for October, when it seems to having trouble with yields for the R520? Both chips are using the same new 90 nanometre marchitecture.