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« on: March 11, 2005, 11:55:33 AM »
This a great look see:
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ATI multiple VPU up and running

CeBIT 2005 SLI it with two different cards

By Fuad Abazovic in Hannover: Friday 11 March 2005, 12:38

NVIDIA LIKES TO bring out the fact that it is the leader and ATI is the follower especially when it comes to using the multiple cards in one PC but we have strong reason to believe that ATI is actually adding more to the marchitecture. But yes, ATI is jumping on bandwagon and stealing some of Nvidia's thunder no question about it.

We know that ATI is showing of its Multiple VPU marchitecture at its enormously big booth in hall 27 at Cebit, the one that had to cost some serious money. There is a small room where you have to sign your NDA way in to be able to see this multiple rendering stuff in action. I don't even think that everyone with NDA can get inside.

Anyway ATI has its marchitecture ready and we learned that you will be able to do ATI Multiple VPU with two different cards. You will be able to plug one X800 and one X850 cards together and faster card will downscale to the slower and will work simultaiously with it.

ATI is showing of its motherboard supporting ATI Multiple VPU powered with two Radeon X850 XT PE cards or should we use R480 codenames. This ough to be faster than two times 6800 Ultra than Nvidia has to offer and upcomming R520 times two might be a very fast solution. I guess ATI is readier with its Multiple VPU than many would have thought. µ

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« Reply #1 on: March 11, 2005, 12:24:03 PM »
lol
what a joke

we aint never scared though
lol

i still remember a few days ago seeing the dual core sli cards so
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« Reply #2 on: March 12, 2005, 10:31:09 PM »
the only thing Nvidia SLI is good for is Xtreme performance for rich ppl...... ATI sli will actually be an upgrade path, with Nvidia u need to buy BOTH cards at the same time ,in order to get identical BIOS, RAM ,  clock speeds etc. , with ATI you can   supposedly buy the cheapest R500 card on the market, and 6 months down the line pop in a more powerful card, and get performance from both .
  eg. X600 when you now buy your machine ,  save up for 6 month, get an X700 ,  and together make up the performance of 1 X800 .
   
   
                         
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« Reply #3 on: March 13, 2005, 09:52:14 AM »
lol @ we ain't never scared.

I like the SLI option. It may be a bit quirky/finnicky now but just wait till both matures.

in 2 years we will have very robust flexible multi card solutions.

If for only that reason, I am glad ATI is jumping in the fray to keep the pressure on.

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« Reply #4 on: March 13, 2005, 03:32:22 PM »
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with Nvidia u need to buy BOTH cards at the same time
WOULD YOU PLEASE STOP SAYING THAT!!!

That is a TOTALLY untrue statement...you DO NOT need to buy BOTH cards AT THE SAME TIME. Regardless of what you may think about the availability of the same card 6 months - 1 year down the road...it is irrelevant...the FACT is...as long as you can get the same card later on...then you CAN drop it in to make up your SLI config. So stop spreading untruths. Yes, it may indeed be difficult no mc to get the same card 1 year later, but, if you can, then you in business. End of story.                    

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« Reply #4 on: March 13, 2005, 03:32:22 PM »

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« Reply #5 on: March 13, 2005, 07:22:27 PM »
lol

well while that is true, I have to agree with him.

Just recently we had a customer TI 4800se go bad on him and we needed to find a replacement. Sweat buss.

I could not find one anywhere. Let alone the exact same brand / model.

This is something to consider if the future is going to be anything like the past. Do not count on getting an identical nvidia card off the shelf a year down the road.                    

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« Reply #6 on: March 13, 2005, 07:26:26 PM »
alright you don't NEED to buy both cards at the same time, but you should as it is highly unlikely that you would get the same model card  later on, the manufacturer may make revisions of the card with different bios etc.  The card may be cancelled entirely like the 5800, 9500 and so on  and stocks of them will dissapear .                      
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« Reply #7 on: March 13, 2005, 11:53:54 PM »
People overlook SLI biggest flaw. Unless support for game is included in driver it will not work at all.                    

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« Reply #8 on: March 14, 2005, 07:11:41 AM »
I think ati / nvidia will ensure that the hottest titles on the market are supported, so that won't be much of an issue.

Its not like you're gonna need SLI power to run any off beat titles.
There will only be a handful of very demanding games out there that will require SLI goodness worth your time and your dime.

Pressura for you if you can't get SLI to supe up your Dreamcast emulator to run Soul Calibur at a buttery 60fps. lol
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« Reply #9 on: March 14, 2005, 07:33:18 AM »
well if this was't worth it nvidia wat difference does it make if it comes ati                    

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« Reply #10 on: March 14, 2005, 09:36:16 AM »
braggin rights.                    

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« Reply #11 on: March 14, 2005, 04:23:08 PM »
round of applause to cereal for making the most sensible freaking point.

bunch ah ole talk bout it not being worth it from  an nvidia stand point, so then it wont be worth it from an ati stand point.

yu ati people are alot of bull$#!%3&s if yu gonna back ati's pleb sli but not back nvidias.                    

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« Reply #12 on: March 15, 2005, 02:11:54 AM »
I think it's good that ATi is bring an SLi type product to the market but i can't help but remeber  when they tried a similar stunt on a single card a few yrs ago. It was a mess! At least  NVidia has some technical know how to bring it to the table since they bought out  3DFX who, if my memory serves me correctly, pioneered this type of technology.                    

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« Reply #13 on: March 17, 2005, 05:54:30 PM »
A few years ago ATI couldn't make drivers that work...period.

Present ATI is a far cry from the one of past.


@ crixx - ATI SLI isnt the same as Nvidia's one. Just cause Nvidia one eh worth it doesn't mean ATI one is or vice versa.

The fact is even if it wasn't worth it from a technical point of view, from a marketing stand point they don't really have a choice.

Besides ATI has the option of enhancing their "SLI" anyway they wish...final design not out yet. At the very least it will consume les power than the equivalent Nvidia.

                     

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« Reply #14 on: March 17, 2005, 08:24:01 PM »
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I think it's good that ATi is bring an SLi type product to the market but i can't help but remeber  when they tried a similar stunt on a single card a few yrs ago. It was a mess! At least  NVidia has some technical know how to bring it to the table since they bought out  3DFX who, if my memory serves me correctly, pioneered this type of technology.

 

they have the 3dfx technology as well as vodoo tech, and voodoo is the one that developed the sli                    

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« Reply #15 on: March 18, 2005, 12:22:08 AM »
that is a big confusing.

3dfx was the company. Voodoo and Glide were the brands of their 3D product and api

similarly.

ATI is the company, Radeon is the brand of their 3d product. Catalyst, their driver and Hydravision, their multimonitor support.

From what I understand, Nvidia bought out 3dfx and it's intellectual property, which would include a fully functional SLI implementation.

although Nvidia are doing things slightly differently with their current SLI offering, I would say they have a DAMN GREAT advantage over ATI by having the 3dfx know how onboard.                    

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« Reply #16 on: March 24, 2005, 11:04:36 AM »
Well here's an update to this thread:
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ATI Multi Rendering exposed

Similar to Evans and Sutherland approach

By Fuad Abazovic in the Bosnian wilds: Thursday 24 March 2005, 08:40

BELIEVE IT OR NOT ATI has had multi rendering for three years now. Until it presents it to the wide crowd of gamers, it was reserved for big military and commercial flight simulators. Now it will render your games as well and will give Nvidia's SLI a run for its money.

ATI's Multi VPU is how the company calls its ability to have two or more cards working together in a mode called Super Tiling. It has been used by Evans and Sutherland and for commercial flight simulators for three years now.

Multi VPU will divide your screen into several tiles. Imagine a chess board - one card will render all the black fields while the second card will render white fields. This is how ATI's marchitecture should work.

One graphic card will act as a master while the second one will act as a slave and both card will be connected to an interface and than to the display. The interface or interconnect device is supposed to be plugged into both cards' DVI ports. This approach should be very good for load balancing and at least in theory could mean that a picture can be rendered twice as fast. I would be very sceptical about actual performance as this is theoretical.

ATI claims that its Multi VPU will work with all 3D applications, both Direct3D and OpenGL, and ATI has dedicated hardware support for super tiling. We wrote once about military systems using dozens of R300 cards to simulate a plane using some insane levels of FSAA. If I remember correctly, they used 34 Radeon cards based on the R300 chip and that is the maximum number of chips used for rendering that we know of.

ATI claims that it's worked for three years with this marchitecture but we have to add that all military systems built by Evans and Sutherlands or CAE civil flight simulators are using OpenGL only, and I really wonder about ATI's Direct3D part of the driver. Let's wait and see.

ATI plans to ship its Multi VPU this summer and we strongly suspect that this will happen just after the R520 \"Fudo\" launch. The R520 is expected to perform very well and imagine what two of those cards can do together. We will keep our ears open. µ
                   

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« Reply #17 on: April 06, 2005, 07:02:12 PM »
runs out and buys 2 lcd monitors 

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« Reply #18 on: April 07, 2005, 09:00:34 PM »
lol @ 2 LCD's

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« Reply #19 on: April 07, 2005, 11:12:42 PM »
lol @ buying two lcds.

I can't wait for this baby to land.

strange, this multi vpu stuff does sound very familliar.

didn't ati have a failed dual vpu offering called ati rage maxx or something like that a few years ago?

It got wtfpwned by a single nvidia card.

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