Watercooling in T&T

[cdx2k1]

Hi all.I might buy a Kingwin Artic liquid Cooler system "AWC-1".My question is, can liquid cooling work in Trinidad?I've seen Inter PC selling a Thermaltake Aquarius 2 kit and was thinking that it must work.Any ideas?                    

[coldstorm]

water cooling will work any where once water don't free or boil .
main drawback most people have from water cooling is it hell if them pipe leak so best to get proper kit if u want one                    

[cereal_killer]

i agree with cold
do your research on the kit u looking to buy
i suggest spending the money to get a really good one
cause with cheap kits there more of a risk of leaking                    

[Synth]

Hmmm...I would just love to know who actually watercools in tnt.

But before you decide what kit you should get make sure you go through the pros and cons of such.

                     

[thrillseeker]

I don't see the big purpose really of it myself...but if that's what u
want by all means go get it...but just as Synth said...check the pros
and cons.........

EDIT: cereal_killer
please don't type in caps
its a signe of rudness to other gatt members                    

[cdx2k1]

My CPU seems to be boiling(A64 2800+).I'm idling at round 61-65 celcius!Yes!]I might be getting bad readings though.My room kinda hot.But I thinking of alternatives.I might have applied thermal paste wrong or something, so i looking to re-apply the CPU.Thanks for the info guys.                    

[coldstorm]

get a  high quality heat sink before u try invest in water cooling                    

[d_apprentice]

that's some pretty high temps onthe cpu. i think you should look at proper case cooling b4 you get your water cooling kit cause you will still run kinda hot if you go water cooling. i'm running a amd64 3400 @ 3700 speed and the highest i get is bout 45 and my case is locked in my desk when in use.                      

[unforgiven]

My CPU seems to be boiling(A64 2800+).I'm idling at round 61-65 celcius!Yes!]I might be getting bad readings though.My room kinda hot.But I thinking of alternatives.I might have applied thermal paste wrong or something, so i looking to re-apply the CPU.Thanks for the info guys.

hmm that is high ...my A64 3000 runs at about 48-52 degrees on stock cooling .....i want to get some artic silver 5


and about water cooling i feel u should just invest in a good heat sink and fan BTW what are u going to cool with this ..what cpu and are u going to overclock and thing?                    

[W1nTry]

Water cooling is not such a bad idea in our hot climate, also it provides a silent solution (which to some is a priceless necessity). I am not too familiar with it though I will look into it more seriously later this year when I build a new rig. You could look at the Zalman Coolers, there is a pretty good one I believe the model # is:CNPS7000B-CU, all copper and will cool presc0tt cores so ur 2800+ should be safe, there are cheaper models that are not all copper but part copper and aluminium.

Additionally, like gizmo wizz yogee on TechTv if you go with a water cooling solution, dismantle the tubing and reseal it using fresh epoxy then reinforce the tubing by strapping the tubing with wire (i.e. use wire over the area where the tubing meets the piping and tightly wrap wire around that area to maintain pressure on the contact area). That being done, there should be no leaking in ur system.. then of course depends on how good u seal it to begin with, ever reconnect the mains to ur house or tanks?

On the heatsink front of things, get some artic silver 5, also the application is critical, I made sure to follow the instructions best I could when applying or re-applying thermal compounds, the following are instructions from artic silvers website:

Clean the mating surfaces completely with a low residual solvent (High-purity isopropyl alcohol or acetone will work) and a LINT FREE cloth. (i.e. lens cleaning cloth) If another thermal compound has previously been applied to the heatsink, the mounting surface should be thoroughly scrubbed and cleaned with a xylene based cleaner, (Goof Off and some carburetor cleaners) acetone, mineral spirits, or 99% pure isopropyl alcohol. It is important to keep the surfaces free of foreign materials and NOT to touch the surfaces (a hair, piece of lint, and even dead skin cells can significantly affect the thermal interfaces performance, especially on modern small core CPUs as the surface area is already severely limited). In addition, oils from your fingers can adversely affect the performance by preventing the micronized silver fill from directly contacting the metal surface. (Fingerprints can be as thick as 0.005\")

check out the full instructions @ artic silver instructions

I don't have such pure cleaners so i've used mentalated spirits which is a mere 75% isopropanol, (or a lil higher i doh rem exactly) however i've had no problems thus far and i've used it on at least 5 diff processors, mine included more than once with good results.                    

[TrinireturnofGamez]

its definately your improper application of the thermal paste causing those temps, an A64 is supposed to be cooler than your average P4 . clean off the chip and sink with alcahol and use high quality paste ( eg. artic silver ) .
    I'v seen a solution to leaky pipes, INVERT your machines case so the water will not drip down onto the parts . also covering the hoses in plastic bags can help .
   Water cooling is very Xtreme , a good high quality air cooler is cheaper and sometimes more effective, look for something made of solid copper , preferrably with heat pipes , and quite large ( large enough for at least an 80mm fan mount ) .                      

[TriniXaeno]

brilliant @ invert your case.

never thought of that!                    

[unforgiven]

brilliant @ invert your case.

never thought of that!....
i agree with TrinithereturnofGamez @ getting a good quality heatsink and fan and termal paste ..BTW any one know the price for Artic Silver 5 locally ...i wanted to know if it made sense bring it down or buying it down here

so if u invtert it and if it leaks wont it fall on the psu? ...any how isn't those liquid coolers ,liquid supposed to be non conductive?..althou it wont be nice if it leaks but it not supposed to short off the board and stuff                    

[Synth]

#1 Acetone can "corrode" the cpu die if left on. So if you use that to clean (good for getting rid of the nasty pink thermal pad goo) use some isopropyl afterwards or at least wipe thoroughly.


#2 Most std cleaners (yes methylated spirits) will leave a residue of some kind thats why you should use only isopropyl to do do final cleaning.


#3 Once fluid has water its conductive.


#4 Improper thermal paste usage CAN cause those temps. Too much paste isnt good. Neither is too little. Thermal paste differs in consistency so ideal application is really paste specific. For AS line put Dab in middle and let pressure/heat do the spreading. Generally speaking this is the best method. Only real exceptions are extremely thick paste like the silicone based ones youd get from Radio Shack and comes often with the product itself. In those cases try and spread to about 90% of the suface leaving a few mm from the edges.

DONT EVER TOUCH THE SURFACE OF CPU DIE WITH FINGERS AFTER CLEANING.

If your going to buy thermal paste stick to AS line:

If hsf is "rough" or has scratches use a "thicker" thermal paste like AS3 or Ceramique...Otherwise use AS5.

Oy yeah, STAY AWAY FROM AS2!


# 5 Most 3rd party A64 hsf will do just great even if room / case is "hot".

The proper application of a a quality tp can make all the difference. So before you consider advanced cooling try some AS.


Notwithstanding everything said thus far, unless you get freezes / bsods you shouldn't worry since thats well withing the range of acceptable. Of course the cooler the better.


                     

[W1nTry]

Yo synth i've always meant to ask, where can I get some 92% or higher isopropanol down here? mentalated spirits is 75% I think, i'd prefer to use something higher though thats worked fine thus far. Anyone know?                    

[Crixx_Creww]

#3 is wrong synth, distilled water is not a conductor.
its the minerals in water that make it a conductor, so if the minerals are removed then no more conduction.                    

[cdx2k1]

Well fellas I re-applied thermal paste and all dat but I still getting these high temps.I'm lost.I'll look into the Zalman coolers.Thanks.                    

[Synth]

Umm what mobo using and retail amd hsf i assume?                    

[TrinireturnofGamez]

#3 is wrong synth, distilled water is not a conductor.
its the minerals in water that make it a conductor, so if the minerals are removed then no more conduction.

  i thought water always conducted electrons in liquid form? and minerals in solution just makes it a better conductor .  

http://www.science.uwaterloo.ca/~cchieh/ca.../waterphys.html

   and how is the average  person to obtain chemically pure water anyhow? electrolysis ?                      

[cdx2k1]

I'm using a DFI Lan Party NF3 250Gb board and stock AMD HSF.