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Microsoft buys Nokia's Device and Services business
« on: September 03, 2013, 10:26:20 AM »
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Microsoft announced late Monday night that it will buy Nokia's mobile phone business -- a momentous deal that pits Microsoft squarely against Apple and Google in the hotly contested smartphone arena.

 The €5.4 billion ($7.2 billion) acquisition gives Microsoft control of the second-largest mobile phone manufacturer in the world, according to IDC. The Finnish Nokia (NOK) is well behind Samsung in cell phone sales but far ahead of third-place Apple (AAPL, Fortune 500), according to IDC... click for more



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Re: Microsoft buys Nokia's Device and Services business
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Re: Microsoft buys Nokia's Device and Services business
« Reply #2 on: September 03, 2013, 12:37:56 PM »
Begun...the phone wars has.

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Re: Microsoft buys Nokia's Device and Services business
« Reply #3 on: September 03, 2013, 01:48:46 PM »
http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/news/download/press/2013/StrategicRationale.pdf

The entire deal outlined here, serious business, cant wait to see the fruits of this.

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Re: Microsoft buys Nokia's Device and Services business
« Reply #4 on: September 03, 2013, 02:13:55 PM »
Begun...the phone wars has.

With a hot 4% market share?  :laughing7:

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Re: Microsoft buys Nokia's Device and Services business
« Reply #5 on: September 03, 2013, 02:21:08 PM »
Begun...the phone wars has.

With a hot 4% market share?  :laughing7:

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well blow me away... the insane growth numbers probably account for nothing.... somebody give this guy a news article :)...

oh shims, i guess samsung and apple had started at 50% marketshare from the get go :|

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Re: Microsoft buys Nokia's Device and Services business
« Reply #6 on: September 03, 2013, 02:30:05 PM »
@Arcman....Really? (I'll stop there lol)

Moving On:

According to Microsoft’s CEO Steve Ballmer, Stephen Elop will now go from an external candidate to internal candidate for the position of CEO. Microsoft’s board will continue to look at all candidates equally he added.

And:

Nokia stock up over 35% and rising following the announcement of a purchase by Microsoft


Nokia stock as of 10 AM ET, 09/03/13

http://www.wpcentral.com/nokia-stock-over-35-rising-following-purchase-microsoft

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Re: Microsoft buys Nokia's Device and Services business
« Reply #7 on: September 03, 2013, 02:38:18 PM »
Wow @ that stock

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Re: Microsoft buys Nokia's Device and Services business
« Reply #8 on: September 03, 2013, 02:40:37 PM »
Box i vex i eh buy no nokia stock, i should have known uncle bill would have bought them eventually, big wet watery stueps. Skydrive, Skype, Nokia, Forsquare around d corner, and i smelling Blackberry soon as well. Blasted bill.

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Re: Microsoft buys Nokia's Device and Services business
« Reply #9 on: September 03, 2013, 02:42:19 PM »
Well... up to Al Jazeera and all had market analysts this morning saying that M$ might very well be 'late to the game', even while quoting growth numbers and stock figures.

(and this is not the only news outlet expressing this sentiment)

How's that for a 'news article'?  :)

Or allyuh probably know more than the market experts nah...my apologies.  :laughing7:

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Re: Microsoft buys Nokia's Device and Services business
« Reply #10 on: September 03, 2013, 03:09:56 PM »
Arcman i think u miss phoenix whole point.
When the xbox OG launch d whole world say they going to flop too, they say ms dont belong, blah blah lbha.
I think the era of the 360 prove them all wrong. It just take something called time.

Sometime idiotic analyst seem to not be aware of.

When google first started, nobody in they widlest dreams thought they would be able to even touch apple, nokia and ms, guess what? it happened.

Against all odds, and against all mistakes, Elop kept nokia afloat, from the brink of rimstruction. And garner them 5% smartphone marketshare where there was previously non. Some cash influx by MS helped alot. So if nokia coudl pull that off whiles being at such a disadvantage, what u think going to happen now?

Something about MS i think everybody shoudl realise by now. When they set they mind on a goal, they dont stop until they achieve it. They will literally bury money into surface and windows phone until it's sucessfull. And i know is not always about money, i know technical ability and inovation have alot to do with it, and guess what? Nokia has that in spaids. Last time i check they had the best smart phone camera in the world. And their mapping solutions everywhere other than US wtapwns google maps. Over here in cayman goolgle maps downright painful. Nokia maps? boy i finding anything.

Also Nokia wireless patent portfolio is not to be taken for granted. Patents is a big deal, is d reason why Microsoft making more money off of android than Key android OEMs.

All d talk man talk bout windows 8, last week windows 8 had more marketshare than all mac-os x share COMBINED. lolol.

Is only a matter of time. they wont stay 4% forever, and if u think they will, then there is no point in continuing this debate lol.

BTW, WP marketshare grow faster than apple and android ever did. Becuase 1 person in a clearly gigantic lead, doesnt mean nobody else cant catch up. When MS had all d marketshare and android was growing slow like crap nobody thought they woulda reach, and they did. Flip it around u have WP growing much faster than android ever did and man still talking crap? lol, ok i ramble enough.

On an even more positive note.

Elop is now incharge of Xbox and Surface devisions as well. Bring on d Nokia Goodness!

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Re: Microsoft buys Nokia's Device and Services business
« Reply #11 on: September 03, 2013, 03:21:01 PM »
I posted articles... U spoke some crap about al jazeera... IDC and kantar posted that windows phone is here to stay based on the growth...

All the people that claimed Microsoft were late to the game before were proven wrong.. Now they are in a stronger position and acquired a major asset you still riding on the late to the game sentiment



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Re: Microsoft buys Nokia's Device and Services business
« Reply #12 on: September 03, 2013, 03:41:25 PM »
My god gentlemen...simma daown naow.

I was simply poking fun at TW's statement.



...and how dare you dismiss Al Jazeera as 'crap'?
I'm getting Doha HQ on the phone right now.  They simply MUST hear of this!   :laughing7:





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Re: Microsoft buys Nokia's Device and Services business
« Reply #13 on: September 03, 2013, 08:43:30 PM »
lol, yeah I don't doubt Microsoft's ability to bully themselves into a market (a la xbox)

I don't think anyone here is silly enough to doubt that either.

They surely have the cash to get it done, even if it mean several brute force attempts

Personally, I don't see them catching Android anytime soon. Microsoft is now in Apple mode where phones are concerned. Offering a curated experience, where Android is using the old Microsoft model. Flooding the market with their mobile offering. In every shape, size and color.

That borg strat worked wonderfully to give Windows the dominance it has today.

Beaten by their own strat? Kind of poetic.

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Re: Microsoft buys Nokia's Device and Services business
« Reply #14 on: September 03, 2013, 09:14:18 PM »
Lol and I totally agree, they're aiming for 15% in two years.. Pretty reasonable if you ask me...

What I see however is a definite 3rd competitor that will ensure pretty good competition..

They were also able to get into the mid range faster than apple (with the Lumia 520) and seem poised to sustain and even increase nokias feature phone dominance as a lead in to smartphones.

Any tech person would welcome this competition, it fosters innovation all around



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Re: Microsoft buys Nokia's Device and Services business
« Reply #16 on: September 04, 2013, 05:36:35 AM »
I was really surprised Microsoft didn't buy BlackBerry in the first place.

It would have been a better brand to transition to WP7 than Nokia.

Especially due to the massive corporate footprint RIM achieved over the years.

They could position it strictly as their business line and leave Nokia handsets to tackle the consumer.

Problem with that is there has been a global trend to converge business and consumer devices. Allowing people to walk into the office and access company resources with their own mobile hardware.

That will cannibalize this approach but still maybe worth a shot.

If anyone can afford an attempt to buck the trend, it is Microsoft.

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Re: Microsoft buys Nokia's Device and Services business
« Reply #17 on: September 04, 2013, 09:19:01 AM »
Wyatt, yUh have to understand Microsoft don't want to buy other OEMs.
MS was never that kind of company, they was always software and services, and work closely with OEMs for the hardware. Dell, Asus, Samsung, HP, etc etc etc.

Same thing was intended with WP, they wanted to make the software, and let htc, Samsung, lg, nokia etc do the hardware.

But a few things happen that force Microsoft hand.

On the PC side: OEMs was not getting with the windows 8 plan, and they was trying to produce windows 7 devices to run windows 8, so MS had to step up to the plate to show them how to make a windows 8 device (surface). Some may say it come to late, but remember making a surface was never Microsoft intention, they did it cuase they was backed into a corner by the OEMs.

On Phone Side: Something similar happened with nokia. Firstly, HTC, Samsung and the others was not putting they best foot forward for WP. Samsung always offered their last generation, So when GS3 was on d market, we got GS2 hardware, when GS4 hit, we NOWWWWW getting GS3 hardware. That's why Microsoft got in bed so strongly with nokia, cuase they commited to WP. Nokia's marketcap whent he deal was made, was 90 BILLION! Many said "why MS don't just buy nokia" Seriously, at 90 Billion marketcap and a commitment to windows phone, why would u buy them?
It just so happened that nokia monopolized the windows phone marketshare, currently holding a whopping 89%. Microsoft tried to balance it by pushing HTC as the "Premiere" WP OEM. Buy nokia was too hard to beat, and d reason being, Nokia put they best foot forward, their devices are simply awesome. So now Microsoft end up in the position, where a single OEM controls the entire faith of Windows Phone. A OEM that marketcap has now dropped from 90 Billion to 5.............

If anything happens to nokia, windows phone is dead. Anything meaning, if they decide to go android, Microsoft just have to pack up and leave. They couldn't allow that, and now that nokia cheap, is time to buy. If MS had bought nokia when they were worth 90 Billion, they would have lost a lot more money than WP struggling. And they could have bought nokia and wp still struggle loosing even more. Microsoft don't think short-term, they does think long-term I keep saying it.

And that's why they aint buy blackberry "yet". Long Term it was not strategic for them to buy blackberry at that time. A few years later when blackberry is worth very little sans patents, now mite be d best time to get them. Microsoft watching 10-20 years down d road eh. Struggling on a platform for a 5 years is no problem to them. (Xbox).
They not going to run out haphazardly and just buy nokia, or just buy blackberry, When they can get those companies for a steal in a mere 5 years... And the money they would bury to brute-force theyself back into the market, mite be way less than theyw oudl have to pay for a 90billion $ nokia etc. (For the record, they bought nokia for 7 Billion, a whopping 83 Billion Dollor saving, by contrast, they only wrote off 900 million in losses for the surface rt)

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Re: Microsoft buys Nokia's Device and Services business
« Reply #18 on: September 04, 2013, 04:18:24 PM »
Wyatt, yUh have to understand Microsoft don't want to buy other OEMs.
MS was never that kind of company, they was always software and services, and work closely with OEMs for the hardware. Dell, Asus, Samsung, HP, etc etc etc.

Same thing was intended with WP, they wanted to make the software, and let htc, Samsung, lg, nokia etc do the hardware.

But a few things happen that force Microsoft hand.

On the PC side: OEMs was not getting with the windows 8 plan, and they was trying to produce windows 7 devices to run windows 8, so MS had to step up to the plate to show them how to make a windows 8 device (surface). Some may say it come to late, but remember making a surface was never Microsoft intention, they did it cuase they was backed into a corner by the OEMs.

On Phone Side: Something similar happened with nokia. Firstly, HTC, Samsung and the others was not putting they best foot forward for WP. Samsung always offered their last generation, So when GS3 was on d market, we got GS2 hardware, when GS4 hit, we NOWWWWW getting GS3 hardware. That's why Microsoft got in bed so strongly with nokia, cuase they commited to WP. Nokia's marketcap whent he deal was made, was 90 BILLION! Many said "why MS don't just buy nokia" Seriously, at 90 Billion marketcap and a commitment to windows phone, why would u buy them?
It just so happened that nokia monopolized the windows phone marketshare, currently holding a whopping 89%. Microsoft tried to balance it by pushing HTC as the "Premiere" WP OEM. Buy nokia was too hard to beat, and d reason being, Nokia put they best foot forward, their devices are simply awesome. So now Microsoft end up in the position, where a single OEM controls the entire faith of Windows Phone. A OEM that marketcap has now dropped from 90 Billion to 5.............

If anything happens to nokia, windows phone is dead. Anything meaning, if they decide to go android, Microsoft just have to pack up and leave. They couldn't allow that, and now that nokia cheap, is time to buy. If MS had bought nokia when they were worth 90 Billion, they would have lost a lot more money than WP struggling. And they could have bought nokia and wp still struggle loosing even more. Microsoft don't think short-term, they does think long-term I keep saying it.

And that's why they aint buy blackberry "yet". Long Term it was not strategic for them to buy blackberry at that time. A few years later when blackberry is worth very little sans patents, now mite be d best time to get them. Microsoft watching 10-20 years down d road eh. Struggling on a platform for a 5 years is no problem to them. (Xbox).
They not going to run out haphazardly and just buy nokia, or just buy blackberry, When they can get those companies for a steal in a mere 5 years... And the money they would bury to brute-force theyself back into the market, mite be way less than theyw oudl have to pay for a 90billion $ nokia etc. (For the record, they bought nokia for 7 Billion, a whopping 83 Billion Dollor saving, by contrast, they only wrote off 900 million in losses for the surface rt)

You a real businessman dread... nice

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Re: Microsoft buys Nokia's Device and Services business
« Reply #19 on: September 04, 2013, 10:16:08 PM »
very insightful

Makes complete sense.

If Nokia got bought out and the new owner said...to hell with WP. MS was in deep deep trouble. Understand the need for the quick buy there cause Samsung could have done that just for kicks.

They probably don't need BlackBerry at all tbh. Let someone else deal with the sinking ship.

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  • cold_187: @TriniXjin not really, I may have something they need (ssd/ram/mb etc.), hence why I also said "trade" ;)
    February 05, 2018, 10:22:14 AM

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