Rise of the Machines: Epic battle of the ages between PCs, Consoles and Mobiles

[TriniXaeno]

It is a tablet sir, by any definition.

And as I said many times before, the future of "mobile" gaming isn't Angry Birds and Plants vs Zombies.

You won't be finger swiping your way to victory in Battlefield 4 on a tablet / mobile phone.

The future of mobile is the device as your "one ring". Replacing the console / computer by connecting to peripherals (mostly wireless).

The fact that so much horsepower is available in a tablet form factor TODAY (2013) should give you a stark look at what will be possible in three years time.

That GPU is superbly capable and destroys current gen consoles. Next stop, next gen.

BOOM

Remember, like the shield, these aren't true mass market devices but serve as a solid proof of concept.

[TriniXaeno]

http://www.engadget.com/2013/07/08/fifa-13-windows-phone-8/?utm_medium=feed&utm_source=Feed_Classic&utm_campaign=Engadget

Boom!

with xbox live support to boot

your mobile....your console

gg no re

[MessiaaH]

Yawn.

[TriniXaeno]

lol.

tick tick boom. Grab a bottle of swiss honey bbq sauce to help you eat those words.

[MessiaaH]

Dude, they take d specs of a gaming laptop and put it into something they calling a tablet. D gpu in it cannot outperform a ps3, an identical desktop gpu not even going to perform d job, u expect a mobile ed gpu to do it?

Crysis IS! going to run like crap on that. unless u set everything to low and run it at a crap resolution (which d device just happens to have lol) So from what it's actually capable of, is not much at all.

So they did that, and release a crappy looking fifa on windows phone and I have to start lining bbq sauce?

No lol.

That's why I yawn, not even worth replying to boy, fifa on mobile ? waw.

Halo Spartan Assault looks way better from a graphical standpoint, and even that is crap compared to current gen consoles.

Not even mentioning nextgen in this.

I repeat these words:

If in 2015, a mobile device is able to outperform a PS4. I go eat the following words with ketchup.

IT EHH HAPPENING!

Also, I should clarify, (because some OEMs trying to use trickery), when I say mobile device, I don't mean taking d same exact hardware in a laptop and putting it in a tablet chassis. Mobile device meaning, ARM Chipset.

A "tablet" using x86/x64 hardware is not what I referring too, because if u using x86, u can simply put a discrete gpu in there, and done. (Years old technology dude).

When an arm device, d things most tablets running , and d thing phones running, if that could outperform a PS4 in 2015, then I will eat meh words. and again I repeat, that EH happening. (D Qualcomms and d Tegras we talking bout, your NVidia roadmap is wah I referring too).

[TriniXaeno]

Well that is the beautiful thing about technology. It is ever evolving.

If they can bring x86 and "desktop" gpus into thermal alignment for a mobile application...then boom.

Nothing wrong with that.

Ent Microsoft lining up a desktop OS as a mobile OS?

We can have our cake and eat it too in the world of tech.

Keep watching this space boy Messiaah, as the mobile machines RISE!

[MessiaaH]

Wyatt, is not d same thing.

In this very argument we said, that PC's theyself are evolving. And what a PC is in d future wont necessarily be what it is now. If what u building is a PC!!! in a tablet chassis, then what u have is.....a PC!

Take the Surface Pro for instance, what you going to class that product as? A tablet or a PC?
(I own one, and I personally think is both.) So in that sense, the PC aint dying or going anywhere, they going to still be around for years to come. So if d vision u seeing, is basically PCs in a tablet chassis, then that is not no rise of mobile. That is rise of PC!

Now back to NVidia roadmap, getting ARMMMM chips to perform like that, is what rise of mobile is.
There is a reason arm is used in most things mobile, because it CHEAP! and Extremely power efficient.

And using PC parts, u not going to get it like that for years yet. That's why they trying to advance d power of arm more aggressively than increase the efficiency of desktop architecture. Because your "general consumer" cannot afford that razer hybrid thing u linked above, nor will they even buy it.

Wheel and come again wyatt, it EHHH happening.

[Arcmanov]

lol.

tick tick boom. Grab a bottle of swiss honey bbq sauce to help you eat those words.

Boom.
In the words of Sean 'Puffy' Combs: "take dat, take dat, take dat" 

[MessiaaH]

BOOOM!!!!

Halo: Spartan Assault briefly launches on Trinidad's Windows 8 Store. AlphaJax and Ty still available


Xbox gamers have been eagerly anticipating Halo: Spartan Assault ever since Microsoft announced the Windows Phone 8 and Windows 8 game at the beginning of June. Many Windows Phone gamers especially look forward to it since Spartan Assault is likely the only Xbox Windows Phone game that will be released this month (we hear next week, in fact). Be that as it may, Windows 8 users got the first shot at the first mobile Halo game today, however briefly…

For a few hours, the tablet and PC version of Halo: Spartan Assault became available for purchase in the Caribbean island nations of Trinidad and Tobago. People from outside of those countries were able to buy it too, thanks to a little regional trickery and the magic of PayPal. Unfortunately, Microsoft quickly pulled Spartan Assault as we were in the process of writing this story to tell you about it, just hours after the game first appeared on the Windows Store.
 
Good news though: AlphaJax and Ty the Tasmanian Tiger are still available early via the same method!

Why Trinidad and Tobago?

......http://www.wpcentral.com/halo-alphajax-ty-windows-8-trinidad

[TriniXaeno]

Dazwhawetalking bout!

Trinidad to the world!!

+5 for that hoss.

hahah @ arcman. Ent, get ready to consume them words boy Messiaah. Look the man link yuh the sauce.

Also, we agreed that  the PC is evolving into a mobile platform (by efforts of intel and Microsoft) but that NEVER excluded them from being considered in the rise of mobile machines.

No sir, mobile is mobile. Regardless of the underlying hardware. This is purely a matter of the form factor.

Phone / Tablets replacing desktops and laptops as our go to devices for computing and gaming.

Led by Android / IOS and now Microsoft.

In more "boom bang" news

Starcraft and Dota 2 on a tablet.





Do want!!

By next year, when these devices sport more storage and memory, is GG no Re. Will nab one for Christmas 2014

Intel finally starting to push some decent pixels with their integrated graphics processors.

[MessiaaH]

Like I said, I own a Surface, and sc2 on it sucks, its not playable for me.

Also, I agreed that mobile rising.
And when i said it not going to beat no ps4 by 2015 I was specifically speaking bout android phones. (and I think u know that).

But ill still concede d fact that u want to lump ANY device that has a battery in it. Whether it practical or not, whether  it mass market or not, whether is a pc or not. Ill concede that u some how thought i was referring to all of them generalized lie that. And even so, I still saying, no mobile device beating a ps4 by 2015.

Whether is generation 3 of that Rader pc tablet, it still not happening.

Even if it running crisis now, it still not happening.

BTW That razor laptop cannot beat a ps3, a ps3 is still alot more powerful than that.

So no BBQ sauce for me just yet. When 2015 reach we go see, I still holding strong, it eh happening. Graphics Technology to pull that off just don't exist, and I don't see it existing anytime soon. No way no how.

[TriniXaeno]

Don't worry man, Intel, Apple and Nvidia busy on that case

http://www.anandtech.com/show/6993/intel-iris-pro-5200-graphics-review-core-i74950hq-tested/20

coming to come

[MessiaaH]

U even read that article?

Coming to come?

D man say gaming laptops still needs discrete gpu, he give Intel their lowest score because of how much work needed still. The discrete gpu that Intel cant beat is less powerful than a ps3. He brought up d same point I was making about crappy efficiency of discrete gpus, he also said these chips good for one thing....non-gaming mobile devices.

And that's d article u want to post to bolster yUh points?
I sorry I didn't find that same article and post it fist llolo,ol.

I repeat....

It eeeeehhhhh happening.

[TriniXaeno]

sometimes you make me question your reading and comprehension skills Messiaah. lol

"Coming to come" means that the product is not ready yet but still a work in progress. This goes for intels IGPs, Nvidia's Tegra line and Apple's A6.

The author from the article agrees with me....that this is a brilliant direction intel is marching down. Pushing gpu performance in their SoC designs more than ever before. (Motivated by Apple's GPU dominance in the mobile space)

For decades intel IGP has been nothing but laughing stock. Now they can actually run Dota 2 and Starcraft 2. In 2013

When Iris hits and the successors soon after, tablets gonna be handling games normel.

Great news for mobile. Intel can't stop, won't stop (Apple and Nvidia will make them irrelevant if they do)

This effort earned them an Editor's Choice award. I kid you not.



Have a read of this snippet from the article again....tell me if you catch the proper meaning.

This is absolutely the right direction for mobile SoCs going forward and I expect Intel will try something similar with its low power smartphone and tablet silicon in the next 18 - 24 months . I'm pleased with the size of the cache and the fact that it caches both CPU and GPU memory. I'm also beyond impressed that Intel committed significant die area to both GPU and eDRAM in its Iris Pro enabled Haswell silicon. The solution isn't perfect, but it is completely unlike Intel to put this much effort towards improving graphics performance - and in my opinion, that's something that should be rewarded. So I'm going to do something I've never actually done before and give Intel an AnandTech Editors' Choice Award for Haswell with Iris Pro 5200 graphics.

[MessiaaH]

Wyatt, I read d article, but u does be misunderstanding me.

I'm all in favor of mobile, and yea its a good move forward, and yes Intel will keep pushing, hell I WANT them to keep pushing, and want mobile tech to get better and better, and it is.

But all my comments above is in relation to it being better than console by 2015. In relation to that, iris is mess, and not going to be ready anytime soon. We a long way off from achieving parity with console. Not detracting from they accomplishments. At d same time recognizing that what they achieve was not ground breaking. I quote:

Without a doubt, gaming focused notebooks will have to stick with discrete GPUs - but what about notebooks like the 15-inch MacBook Pro with Retina Display? I have a dedicated PC for gaming, I use the rMBP for work and just need a GPU that's good enough to drive everything else in OS X. Intel's HD 4000 comes close, and I suspect Iris Pro will completely negate the need for a discrete GPU for non-gaming use in OS X.

I'm giving Intel our lowest award under the new system because the solution needs to be better. Ideally I wouldn't want a regression from GT 650M performance, but in a pinch for a mostly work notebook I'd take lower platform power/better battery life as a trade in a heartbeat.

....so, when u take all that and compare it to replacing dedicated gaming machines by 2015......it eeeehhhhhhh happening, lol.

Again, don't confuse meh, I'm all for the rise of mobile and advancement, what I not buying is d console replacement bit. As good as mobile is and as good as it getting, it just not going to happen.

Like I post in tons of graphs before, d power differential between d two right now is over 100. That is why I say, if NVIDIA manage to make a chip 100 times more powerful by 2015, ill concede that would be enough to hit consoles some cough in they head. And that one I have to see to believe.

[TriniXaeno]

Hoss, an IGP getting the lowest award is like a one legged man coming 3rd in a marathon at the olympics.

That is an EPIC achievement.

Techies used to burst out in tears when they see a man rig running only integrated graphics.

Now it getting award. Signs of the times.

Iris's 2013 performance means Intel not ready anytime soon (say 12- 24 months).....but they (intel) coming to come and have made leaps and bounds.

Don't forget, there are other players in the game gunning for the mobile throne.

Keep an eye on this space! You'll hear it here first.

[MessiaaH]

Scene,

Personally though, I don't give two hoots about mobile gaming.
But I care ah hella-of-lot about mobile devices and their capabilities.

Honestly I can do 80% of my work on d surface Pro.
This is d reasons I use my beast machine now :

1. Gaming
2. Storage for TV/Videos
3. Downloading large files..cough...cough.
4. VM Labs
5. When i have alot of work to do simultaneously that requires focus and speed. (Situations when d surface just don't cut it)

If mobile devices were more powerful, I could easily offload , and would like to offload, number 4 and 5 to my mobile device. Currently for number 4 I does have to remote into my pc home if I on d road.

But given d power of the Surface Pro now, I don't see mobile being capable enough for another few generations well.
But in terms of productivity, MS make rel progress with surface, its a true laptop replacement. I just want more processing power (not gpu), more storage, less heat, and more battery life.

Haswell is a great step in that direction, offering acceptable heat and battery, but power not their yet. And ssd not cheap enough to address storage needs yet.

In time .....

[TriniXaeno]

Exactly!

In time.

And Haswell has made massive strides in the GPU department all the same (hence the aforementioned award) so we will soon get to have your cake and eat it too.

Also, let me re-enforce that "mobile" gaming isn't the end game here. I am not forseeing all this graphical horsepower being utilized for Angry Birds 2.

Rather, I expect that when the mobile devices become suitably powerful, they will simply serve as the central hub for your gaming experience. Not forever married to the touch screen, but augmented with wireless gamepads, keyboard and mice (bluetooth).

Especially looking forward to the wifi display technology to offer lagfree simulcast display across to your big LCD screens.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=6F_wyyZg5sI

The current tech is doing about 60ms latency. That is good enough for starcraft but won't do for Quake or Battlefield.

Progress, progress.

[MessiaaH]

And is on the gaming hub front I strongly disagree.

For most uses, you don't require THAT much power. So I can see mobile tech easily advancing to the point where it can replace a traditional desktop for the average consumer. They go still be using a "pc" yes, but I do see that being more along the lines of tablet form factor, with docking station to hook up to big screen monitors etc.

But d application for gamers is another thing all together. And gamers using their super tablets as their main PC, will almost certainly also have a console, be it PS4 or Xbox.

D power requirements to be productive not that high. D power requirements to play truly stellar games on the other hand is huge. And I know you say the general consumer will be happy with mediocre graphics. But that's where I disagree. After seeing d pre-order numbers for ps4 and xbox, clearly consumers still care a lot bout good looking and high end games. And in the future when a mobile device is able to perform all functions sans high end gaming. d Xbox 5 and PS7/8 go still be selling off store shelves, cause when men see how games looking on them system, no way they passing it up to settle for the status quo.

So again, I do believe in rise of mobile, I do believe in the migration of d traditional desktop computing environment, I also still believe their are a lot of use cases for a non-mobile devices (some I list above), and I also don't think gaming is part of this revolution. Mobile gaming going to get a lot better yes, but it in no way shape or form, going to supplant a console for general consumers. The sales numbers has proven as much.

Take a smartphone for instance. When everybody had dumb phones, im sure they thought a smartphone would replace their need for another mobile device. But it didn't. Smartphones complemented laptops.

And even the ipad was not able to replace laptops for the majority of productivity users.
That's where Surface and Hybrids come in, true laptop replacements.
And no matter how powerful a smartphone u have, I don't know a single person that relies solely on their mobile device to be productive, Everybody else have a PC, Ipad, Hybrid in addition to their smartphone.

And it will continue to be like that with gaming.

[TriniXaeno]

nah man. You have no faith in convergence.

I am sure you are one of those people who think it hard to believe that a smartphone (initially shitty 0.3 megapixel) camera would have risen to replace the standard point and shoot camera used by consumers.

Yet here we are.

Sure there are high end cameras for enthusiasts but the average joe can very well make do with his S3 or Iphone camera. 90% of the time.

Even a relative power user like myself has since stopped taking my Lumix around with me. The Galaxy Note 2  has taken 95% of the pictures this year. I kid you not.

I am saying it will be the same with gaming.

Watch and see.

The industry heavy weights will not stop at just office productivity with mobile. There is too much competition.

The minute Apple rest on their laurels, Intel will jump out with a tablet / phone that could do office work AND run circles around Infinity Blade 2.

The new generation of gamers, who are growing up on ipads, kindles and galaxy tabs EXPECT their mobile devices to do gaming duty.

No....they will DEMAND it.

The industry will answer that demand, of that I am certain.

And we will document every step towards that day in this thread. lol