Author Topic: Re: NVidia Kepler series (Read 33057 times)

Spazosaurus · « **Reply #100 on:** April 30, 2012, 04:50:08 PM »

Of course to you and me a dual gpu card wont make sense opposed to two independent gpu's because of already stated performance limitations...however, 'speed' is not the only factor people may consider.

You have more convenience and less hassle with a single PCB card, less space taken up as well as lower noise levels and power consumption not to mention you have the people who wanna do a quad sli setup for a compact, money is no option beast rig.

So is it worth it? Depends...

Carigamers · « **Reply #100 on:** April 30, 2012, 04:50:08 PM »

captainchris · « **Reply #101 on:** April 30, 2012, 05:00:10 PM »

Being in the bracket of said statements. I will adhere to them yes. BUT, deep pockets and want to build an all out beast? Well that clearly sounds like 4 680s to me.. not a LIMITED 690 by 2.

Like you said. Depends....

MessiaaH · « **Reply #102 on:** April 30, 2012, 08:43:18 PM »

Chiney, ill bet u a gtx 680, that my Single 690 going to cut ur 2 680s ass

I'll await your reply before i jump into the discussion u and awesome have going.

captainchris · « **Reply #103 on:** April 30, 2012, 09:10:09 PM »

lets not go there..

especially since i kno we both going to be water cooling ....

MessiaaH · « **Reply #104 on:** April 30, 2012, 09:34:08 PM »

Man refuse d challenge, cool beans.
And i wont be water cooling, well, technically u could call it that.

Anyways, i go jump in.

Agreed with much of what Captain awesome say.
But to add.

A waterblock cost around 150-160.
Watercooling 2 680s vs 1 690 is an extra 160 yuh looking at off the bat.
That 160 could get put towards other aspects of the rig that will work together to increase overall performance. Also, like the 6970, the 690 has 2 full 680 cores.
And the SLI performance between those 2 cores will be higher than across 2 separate PCBs
Also, the heat output of 2 680s is significantly more than a single 690. But with water cooling, that is less of a issue, but u still have flow drop to consider. Which may not affect gpu temps, but will definitely affect CPU temps. If you going an independant loops for you GPUs u will avoid that. Power draw as mentioned by awesome is a key factor as well. Power bill going to be alot lower with a single 690 than double 680s.

A liquid cooled 690 will easily beat 2 air 680s. (which will run u about 1300$ vs 1150 for d LCS 690). But if u water cool d 680s, and spend money on minimizing all d overhead of a extra pcb. U go end up spending significantly more, to get d 680s to outperform d 690 overclock.
And ill argue, that if u take d money to illuminate said problems, and dump it behind, improved cpu/liquid setup. The overall performance of d 690 will cut d 680s ass.

Then there is space to consider. Right now on my sabertooth i cant even run a 2nd card, because my PCI-E ssd is in there. which will means a board with more PCI-E slots, and the $ keep rising and rising. When u could comfortably wtfpwn with a single 690.

All that said and done, if money is no object, and u could afford to shell out for independent loops, and still have d cache to beast out on every other component in d rig. Then d dual 680s MITE outperform it as a whole in real-world gaming performance. But seeing that d cores on d 690 is exactly d same, the theoretical over-clock threshold on both d 690 and 680s full cooled, will be d same. CPU and Memory clock is what will determine who machine cut more ass.

So is all about budget, and how best to spend it, to get d highest FPS in d end.

And liquid cooling 4 680s, vs 2 690s, is ah whole different ballgame all together.
Not to mention wont make any sense atal unless u running eyefinity.

Carigamers · « **Reply #104 on:** April 30, 2012, 09:34:08 PM »

captainchris · « **Reply #105 on:** April 30, 2012, 09:45:06 PM »

Well money being no object still sits well for 4 680s.

That person would obviously be in for the challenge as well

Spazosaurus · « **Reply #106 on:** April 30, 2012, 09:50:11 PM »

I agree with all that you say there, except maybe for the 690 being able to match two 680's.

I have a feeling with the independent nature of the 680, you're gonna be able to push them further than two gpu's crammed together in one PCB.

Even though two gpu's on the same pcb, its still SLI tech bridging the two.

Still lets wait till the benchies come out to see.

MessiaaH · « **Reply #107 on:** April 30, 2012, 10:27:18 PM »

It does have ah dedicated chip on dem boards to handle d sli eh. My 4870 X2, 5970 and 6970 Had it. And watercooled and overclocked it was gettin on juss like ah pair of similar single cars.

2 Cards in SLI d PCI-E slots will run @ 8x, which = same 16x total a dual-cpu card go run at.

So that addresses bandwith and sli connectivity.

D only other factor i could see 2 cards will benifit from, is power draw. 4 * 8pin vs 2 on d 690.
And d only way to really benefit from said extra power, is if u bios overlock, actually not even that, if u capacitor mod / volt mod the gpu to draw significantly more current than stock, which is where d extra power go benefit the 2 680s vs single 690.

Drivers / Scalling is d only other thing to worry bout.

So once yuh eh volt-mod d card, i eh see no difference in d 2 solutions in terms of performance, once properly cooled and over clocked.

And ive also seen d chip on d dual cpu cards, d 6970 in particular, overclock futher in frequency, than d single card solution. Due to (what i think it is) hand picked chips for dual cpu boards, which get ah little bit more headroom, than d off-the-shelf single card chips, yuh coudl get lucky, or bad lucky with single cards, yuh card mite clock far, it mite not.

With d dual chip boards, yuh almost guaranteed epic overclocks, with them cherry picked chips.

Edit: Back in d day, dual cpus, d cpus itself was slower in frequency. But as of the 6970, is 2 real cores they put, fully unlocked, but factory downclocked to meet TPD, once u bypass that, GG. From what i read of d 690, its the same thing they do.

Spazosaurus · « **Reply #108 on:** May 01, 2012, 05:52:42 AM »

I hear your points. Lets see if you're right come release day.

captainchris · « **Reply #109 on:** May 01, 2012, 08:42:44 AM »

Yep, acknowledged.

MessiaaH · « **Reply #110 on:** May 01, 2012, 09:15:08 AM »

Indeed, only time go tell. But check this out.

Watch how d MARS II getting on against 680 SLI.

D MARS II is a dual GPU on single PCB Card. With 2 580 cores Factory OCed.
Once u enter LCS and temps is no longer ah factor, DualGPU cards could throw down with the best of em.

MessiaaH · « **Reply #111 on:** May 01, 2012, 09:32:10 AM »

GeForce GTX 690 arrives in the Guru3D lab ...
By Hilbert Hagedoorn, May 2, 2012 - 2:57 AM N/A - 0 Comments

You have probably seen it on a couple of other selected websites already (our sample arrived a tad late), but NVIDIA is sending around the GeForce GTX 690 in a rather original way. A week prior to shipping out the card some press (including Guru3D) received a crowbar. To use against zombies or .... was marked on it.

Once we received the package with the card it all made sense, the card came in a wooden crate. Honestly I'm a sucker for for these things, and absolutely loved the idea. Though I doubt the crowbar made is through customs for everybody

Spazosaurus · « **Reply #112 on:** May 01, 2012, 10:14:55 AM »

I LOVEEEEEEEEE that box!!!!!

Ah want one

MessiaaH · « **Reply #113 on:** May 01, 2012, 11:15:56 AM »

INDEED!

captainchris · « **Reply #114 on:** May 01, 2012, 12:48:33 PM »

On my word... I'm speechless

Sent from my HTC Sensation XE with Beats Audio Z715e

MessiaaH · « **Reply #115 on:** May 02, 2012, 09:41:46 AM »

1 More day left till reviews, cant wait!

"Before we go on, let’s get one thing straight: like the GTX 590 before it, the GTX 690 is a dual GPU card. But don’t allow this small fact dissuade you from reading further. As we will see on the upcoming pages, NVIDIA has designed the GTX 690 to be unlike any other card that’s come before it. Not only have top shelf materials been used but unlike previous generations, the GTX 690 has sidestepped the usual dual GPU limitation of reduced specifications. That’s right; there is a pair of fully enabled GK104 cores beating at its heart, all but ensuring its ascension the gaming market’s upper reaches."...source

MessiaaH · « **Reply #116 on:** May 02, 2012, 02:46:41 PM »

PC Perspective and NVIDIA GeForce GTX 690 Live Review - Thursday, May 3rd @ 1pm EDT

http://www.pcper.com/news/Editorial/PC-Perspective-and-NVIDIA-GeForce-GTX-690-Live-Review-Thursday-May-3rd-1pm-EDT

Ah Yes, lunchtime watch.

captainchris · « **Reply #117 on:** May 02, 2012, 04:40:37 PM »

sounds good!

Redfish · « **Reply #118 on:** May 02, 2012, 09:13:30 PM »

Would certainly like to see how the numbers add up on this one....

MessiaaH · « **Reply #119 on:** May 03, 2012, 09:05:18 AM »

And here we go!

Reviews:

Guru3D

HardwareCanucks

PCPerspective

AnandTech

HardwareHeaven

Carigamers · « **Reply #119 on:** May 03, 2012, 09:05:18 AM »

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