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Re: Osama bin Laden Killed by U.S. Strike
« Reply #40 on: May 02, 2011, 11:06:19 PM »
PICS ..... OR IT DIDN'T HAPPEN ! :lol:

                  

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Re: Osama bin Laden Killed by U.S. Strike
« Reply #41 on: May 02, 2011, 11:45:06 PM »

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Re: Osama bin Laden Killed by U.S. Strike
« Reply #42 on: May 03, 2011, 01:30:46 AM »
Woody i don't think we're biased. We possibly have a more "objective" point of view. Since we're neither american nor part of the middle east. We also don't send our young men and women into death traps every other year. Evidence is evidence and the way we interpret an analyze it depends on how it is presented. I'll go back to what i was saying earlier where Pheonix was so eager to discourage. If you can't give a yes or no to a simple yes or no question, it infers u are hiding the parts of the story. They're 99.9% sure its him. Why aren't they 100% sure?

Why not release the photos? You're already claiming to have killed the man. U've already provoked thousands of people. The US government just continues to do and say (or not say as the case may be) questionable things in respects to their military action.
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Re: Osama bin Laden Killed by U.S. Strike
« Reply #43 on: May 03, 2011, 07:41:33 AM »
Well to be clear you can't be 100% sure of anything. DNA testing (and science on the whole) is one of those things and few people would seriously claim that it does. The extent of it's accuracy (99.9% etc) tends to remove reasonable doubt, however.
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Re: Osama bin Laden Killed by U.S. Strike
« Reply #44 on: May 03, 2011, 02:15:25 PM »
Well to be clear you can't be 100% sure of anything. DNA testing (and science on the whole) is one of those things and few people would seriously claim that it does. The extent of it's accuracy (99.9% etc) tends to remove reasonable doubt, however.

worse yet with photos...
and when they release the photos... the next thing will be... we cant verify them photos is real.. America doctor that, then after it will be something else...

cuz you know.. its America and thats what they do... invent people that were disowned by their family and country because of extremist views... then make fake videos about them urging muslims to kill Americans etc etc...

but long story short as synchro pointed out.. you cannot be 100% sure of anything... you choose what you want to believe based on the information that you have then cool... if u want to keep him alive in your heart and your mind thats ur prerogative, i'm just glad he's been neutralized.

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Re: Osama bin Laden Killed by U.S. Strike
« Reply #45 on: May 03, 2011, 03:22:11 PM »
As I said same $hit, different day. The 'west' will find another poster boy for 'terrorism' who will be in another country of 'seemingly' no interest (save large reserves of oil, or convenient geography for pipelines) and have to 'save the world' yet again from 'threats to our liberties'.

As I posted in my first response, unless I myself of the ppl close to me can get through the airports without being heckled, hassled and downright harrassed IN SPITE of their last name being mohammed or hosien etc, or if this helps ppl with a certain arabic 'look' from being rejected a US visa without recourse, reason, or REFUND, I really could give a FLYING %^&* about 1 less person on this planet.

And YES everything i've mentioned above i've either seen with my own eyes or heard first hand from the unfortunate party. So I say %^&* this topic, move along with our lives and when a POSITIVE is noticed from this whole MEDIA affair, we'll reconvene and discuss it.

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Re: Osama bin Laden Killed by U.S. Strike
« Reply #46 on: May 03, 2011, 03:55:38 PM »
So I say %^&* this topic, move along with our lives

navy seals, FBI most wanted, guns, scandal, conspiracy theories, terrorist plots, secret information on hard drives, lies, truth.... why u wanna f*&k this topic, sounds cool to me.

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Re: Osama bin Laden Killed by U.S. Strike
« Reply #47 on: May 03, 2011, 04:04:44 PM »
lol @ W!N... u must learn to broaden your scope...

obviously defeating one man wont cause that change you are talkin about... it didnt happen overnight and wont go away overnight especially not with the defeat of just one man... but it IS a start...

and if you think they use osama to go after oil u are sadly mistaken.. as osama was in afganisthan.. is bush use saddam to go after oil :S.... not to mention... nobody made osama a post boy for terrorism... he did that for himself.. with all his videos and audio tapes etc...

if you wanna argue that point cool.. no objections here... Osama is/was a totally different story...
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Re: Osama bin Laden Killed by U.S. Strike
« Reply #48 on: May 03, 2011, 04:56:41 PM »
Actually it DID happen overnight, 9/11 and boom, tonnes of restrictions were implemented. Secondly, it started with hunting al-queda in Afghanistan (which btw has a lovely pipeline see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trans-Afghanistan_Pipeline note the part about strong US backing), which is what marked the start of the US self proclaimed 'war of terrorism'.
Also keep in mind that the US Saddam http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_support_for_Iraq_during_the_Iran%E2%80%93Iraq_war (note the interesting part about he was made an honourary US citizen)... and proportedly OBL as well during the Iran war. The US historically has sold weapons to EVERYONE in EVERY war, 'good' or 'bad'. I am not a big conspiracy theorist or any such, I just look at 'coincidences' a little closer than taking it at face value.

The point I am making is I look at this move as more of a PR event than an actual sign of ANY improvement. And thus I find this topic retarded until such a time that we begin to SEE FIRSTHAND the postive effects (other than Obama's rating in the polls). And EVEN better, if we see improvements as QUICKLY as we saw implementation of more flying security and restriction at airports.


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Re: Osama bin Laden Killed by U.S. Strike
« Reply #49 on: May 03, 2011, 07:40:34 PM »
Since we on the topic of "terrorism" what do you think of this article?

http://www.boomantribune.com/story/2011/2/7/93933/69325

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Stupid About Communism, Stupid About Terrorism
by BooMan
Mon Feb 7th, 2011 at 01:59:40 PM EST

When Joseph Stalin died and Nikita Khrushchev became the First Secretary of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union in 1953, an odd thing happened. The Soviet Union began to change. In 1956, Khrushchev delivered a report called On the Personality Cult and its Consequences to the 20th Party Congress. He discussed the report in a secret speech which was delivered after midnight. The contents of the speech were eventually obtained by Israel, and through them, by legendary CIA officer Jesus James Angleton. Among the things divulged in the report was the fact that during the Great Purge of 1937-38, Stalin had over one and a half million people arrested and over 600,000 people executed. This information became widely known in the late 1950's and led many communist sympathizers in the West to reconsider or disavow their position.
Communism in America, which had already been under tremendous pressure during the McCarthy Era in the first half of the decade, was finished after Khrushchev's revelations. Thereafter, the only signs of communist sympathies in the country came from worked-up college students who fetishized Che Guevera or thought it was amusingly anti-Establishment to wave Mao's Little Red Book around. Communism became synonymous with totalitarianism and mass murder.

That's why there was so much consensus about trying to overthrow Castro and preventing communists from taking over Saigon.

I am aware that this is a shorthand and simplistic retelling of history, but I detail it because there was a certain irony in the fact this country became much more alarmed about the threat of communism at a point in history when it actually became much less threatening.

To be clear, communism even in a benevolent regime is hostile to liberty and is rightly opposed by all who support freedom of religion and freedom of choice as basic human rights. But there is a difference between institutional repression and mass murder. Likewise, the threat posed by Joseph Stalin was completely different from the threat posed by Leonid Brezhnev.

I bring this up because terrorism seems to have replaced communism as the raison d'être of the national security state. More specifically, Islam-inspired terrorism has replaced communism as the "great threat" that justifies absolutely ridiculous spending on national defense, homeland security, and intelligence operations.

It's hard to say that the threat of terrorism has diminished in the same way as the threat of communism diminished when Khrushchev took over for Stalin. We are still experiencing periodic attempts to bring down civilian aircraft. And we do have to worry about crude radiological, or biological, or chemical attacks. I think the biggest lesson we need to learn from the Cold War is how our exaggerated fears made us stupid and caused us make mistakes both moronic and evil.

There was no excuse for killing a million Vietnamese. We failed to understand the schism between China and the Soviet Union or the anti-Chinese attitude of the Vietnamese people. Seeing all Communists as the same and all of them as part of a seamless conspiracy against the West caused us to freak out unnecessarily, to misallocate resources, to wage war where no war needed to be waged, to make enemies of people who might have been neutral, if not friendly towards us, and to side with dictators against socialist reformers who shared our esteem for human rights.

All of this is relevant today, as we listen to people conflate the religious nuts in charge of Iran with the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt. A failure to understand the differences in Iraq between the Sunnis and Shiites, the secular and the religious, the Kurds and the Arabs, led our government to make horrible decisions at the outset of the occupation of Iraq. When you see someone like Glenn Beck warning us about the Islamic world uniting under some new Caliphate, you are seeing the kind of Stupid that marred our victory in the Cold War. Islam is not nearly as threatening as our leaders want us to believe. It is not, and never has been, a united movement.

We care what happens in Egypt because we don't want any disruption of shipping through the Suez Canal, and because we don't want war between Egypt and Israel, and because we would like to have a friendly government there that is happy to do business with us and who will share intelligence with us on the threats we face. But we don't face a threat like we faced from Joseph Stalin.

We should also recognize that our support for the repressive regime in Egypt was the reason that Al-Qaeda co-leader Ayman al-Zawahiri wanted to fly airplanes into the Pentagon, World Trade Center, and Congress.

In 1981, Zawahiri was arrested and imprisoned [Ed. note: and tortured] , along with dozens of other radicals, for collaborating in the assassination of Egypt's President Anwar Sadat. Prison time only redoubled Zawahiri's fervor. Not long after his release, he took over leadership of the terrorist organization Egyptian Islamic Jihad, which the United States believes helped to organize the August 7, 1998, bombings of U.S. Embassies in Dar es Salaam, Tanzania, and Nairobi, Kenya. In 2001, according to widely accepted accounts, Zawahiri formally merged the Egyptian Islamic Jihad with bin Laden's al-Qaeda network. The group is now officially named Qaeda al-Jihad.
One way to reduce the threat of terrorism is to facilitate a transition in Egypt to a government that doesn't torture its dissidents. That's a quite different strategy from Bush's decision to use Egypt as our subcontractor for torture.

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Re: Osama bin Laden Killed by U.S. Strike
« Reply #50 on: May 03, 2011, 09:44:11 PM »
This whole thing is too fishy if you ask me. I think its a political trump card that was played to gain traction in the build up to the presidential election in 2012. So if this man was the US most wanted man who they've been hunting for a decade, suddenly be caught "unarmed" in a gun fight? Are you tellin me that the SEALS that made the raid are so well trained that none of them were injured or killed in and I quote* a very intense 90min gun fight." Nonsense. It was too clean. This man, who was so reviled by the American population and much of Western world for that matter, be buried at sea without as much as photos taken? Doesn't make sense. This man is a prized catch for the Americans. They would've done worse to him than what they did to Saddam. All this talk about burying him at sea because no country wanted to claim his body and they wanted to honour his religion is non-sense.This man was a martyr to alot of ppl. I'm sure there are countries that wud've claimed him. Enough photos would have been taken to fill an album and would'v have been leaked already. Videos too. This is the age of communication. If he is in-fact dead, I believe he died a long time before they say he was killed. Who knows? And to release that now is soley for political traction.
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Re: Osama bin Laden Killed by U.S. Strike
« Reply #51 on: May 03, 2011, 11:29:14 PM »
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/42873423/ns/world_news-death_of_bin_laden/?GT1=43001

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The White House had earlier expressed concerns about making any death images of bin Laden public, considering the nature of his fatal wounds. U.S. officials say the still-secret photographic evidence shows a precision kill shot above his left eye, which blew away part of his skull. He was also shot in the chest, they said.
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The burial from an aircraft carrier in the North Arabian Sea was videotaped aboard the ship, according to a senior defense official who spoke on condition of anonymity because a decision on whether to release the video was not final. The official said it was highly likely that the video, along with photographs of bin Laden's body, would be made public in coming days.

I don't remember hearing anything about him being unarmed, they said he resisted  and a battle ensued. Also wasn't it a 40 min firefight not 90? Either way I won't mind seeing these.

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Re: Osama bin Laden Killed by U.S. Strike
« Reply #52 on: May 04, 2011, 02:00:13 AM »
Battle was 40 mins.  THAT is what I want to see.  :laughing7:

What interests me GREATLY is the route the insertion choppers took, and how they evaded
Pakistan's rather sophisticated air-defence network.  I am pretty sure that info is deep-black
top-secret.  The Pakis were told about it AFTER it went down, so they didn't know they were coming.

What I would not give to hear a pew-by-pew description of the battle from one of the SEALs eh.

...and yes, Navy SEALs are that skilled. 

According to information readily available, it's said that they knew he was there in that
mansion for quite a few months, and they built a mockup of it at an air-base in Afghanistan,
and they practiced the mission daily, and thoroughly.  SEALs just don't storm an objective
all GI Joe with guns blazing.  When they execute, it would be because that mission was well planned and practiced. 

...and I'm pretty sure they went with two choppers in case they lost one...which actually happened,
so the 'lost' one was destroyed so that no one else could 'get' anything from it.

Classic SEAL mission really.  Just the kind of thing they train for...EVERY day.

'The only easy day, was yesterday'.  Navy SEAL motto.  That alone should say something.

Shock and awe baby.  HOO-RAH.  :laughing7:
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Re: Osama bin Laden Killed by U.S. Strike
« Reply #53 on: May 04, 2011, 11:39:40 AM »
Well when i was listening to the news, i distinctly remember the US Anti Terrorism guy saying they did practice several times to learn the compound. However, he claimed they had no knowledge of what the interior of the building itself looked like. They went on assumptions made by closely analyzing the building's shape and size =s ... But yes, Arc is right, the SEALS are an elite bunch of drones capable of killing you with a toothpick.
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Re: Osama bin Laden Killed by U.S. Strike
« Reply #54 on: May 04, 2011, 12:03:41 PM »


jus for some laughs
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Re: Osama bin Laden Killed by U.S. Strike
« Reply #55 on: May 06, 2011, 02:51:57 PM »
Bin Laden's Death Confirmed By Al Qaeda

omg omg... another consipiracy by the US government... i bet you the got one of their Al Qaeda people to post it.... :O... ^o)

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Re: Osama bin Laden Killed by U.S. Strike
« Reply #56 on: May 06, 2011, 03:38:24 PM »
Bin Laden's Death Confirmed By Al Qaeda

omg omg... another consipiracy by the US government... i bet you the got one of their Al Qaeda people to post it.... :O... ^o)

LOL... u know somebody go find a way to put some kinda conspiracy twist to it, it cannot helped.

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