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Re: Windows 8
« Reply #120 on: March 05, 2012, 11:25:33 AM »
So with the public preview out, the news is pouring everywhere, but to the more 'important' things like how many versions here we go:

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Microsoft will chop Windows 8 into nine SKUs
More boxes to shift
By Lawrence Latif
Fri Mar 02 2012, 14:44

SOFTWARE REDEVELOPER Microsoft is expecting to release nine Windows 8 SKUs according to a registry entry in the consumer preview released on Wednesday.

Microsoft launched its Windows 8 consumer preview with much fanfare at MWC in Barcelona on Wednesday and later claimed that it was downloaded a million times in just 24 hours. With people poking around the operating system, it wasn't long before the chaps at Windows 8 Beta found references to nine Windows 8 SKUs.

According to Microsoft's registry entry there will be two Enterprise editions - one is purely for evaluation - plus Home Basic, Home Premium, Professional and Professional Plus editions, with Starter and Ultimate editions to top off the x86 offerings. There are no prizes for guessing that there will be an ARM version too, rounding off the set.

Microsoft's recent releases of Windows have seen an explosion of SKUs. While few would have complaints about an ARM SKU, Microsoft's decision to have an "Enterprise" and two "Professional" SKUs suggests a new found eagerness for needless product segmentation.

With Microsoft looking to flog so many Windows 8 SKUs, retailers will have a job on their hands to try to steer customers onto the right version of the operating system. It seems that while other operating system vendors can get away with one or two versions, Microsoft prefers to chop up its products in order to make them seem more impressive and try to rake in more cash.

Microsoft is expected to release Windows 8 towards the tail end of 2012, with the consumer preview being used to generate interest for the operating system and let users find bugs for free. µ
http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/2156811/microsoft-chop-windows-skus

Anyone installed this natively or on a VM to try it out?

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Re: Windows 8
« Reply #120 on: March 05, 2012, 11:25:33 AM »

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Re: Windows 8
« Reply #121 on: March 05, 2012, 11:42:32 AM »
been testing it out whole weekend via vm

 also installed it fully on netbook. not user friendly, I let some family take a dabble to get the impression of someone who wasn't very tech savy. the frustration was definitely there.

For me I got the hang of it pretty quick. for people with WP7 phone, or a 360 at hand, there are definetly some very cool features. syncs pretty nicely across different devices, could control the 360 remotely etc.

The metro Ui, isnt user friendly, and to me would make more sense with a touchscreen functionality, but this is still a beta, so ill reserve judgement. I actually like the tiles, but not sure if I prefer them to Windows 7.  (btw learn the shortcuts! makes life a lot easier) Still have to get more into it to give a proper view, and Im certainly not as tech savy as most of you. But I wouldn't lie its growing on me.



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Re: Windows 8
« Reply #122 on: March 05, 2012, 11:57:44 AM »
I liked the tiles tobut the default tiles were a bit overwhelming as they housed many apps which I do not use. It would be nice to have a wizard at first install to customize them, a first install tutorial for this new tile system without a start button would be nice also.

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Re: Windows 8
« Reply #123 on: March 05, 2012, 04:30:18 PM »
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The circle squared

Microsoft has achieved what it set out to achieve. There are some issues to be taken care of, and I hope that Microsoft addresses them before finalizing the product. But Windows 8 is a true tablet operating system and a true PC operating system all in one. It's an interface that is comfortable and fluent on touch-based tablets, and effective and capable with the mouse and keyboard.

This isn't enough to take on Android tablets or the iPad, because an operating system alone cannot do that. Microsoft needs high quality hardware from its OEMs, and it needs strong support from its ISVs. Microsoft has done its part. The rest is up to its partners.

http://arstechnica.com/microsoft/news/2012/03/microsofts-ambitious-step-into-the-future-the-windows-8-consumer-preview.ars/1

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Re: Windows 8
« Reply #124 on: March 06, 2012, 01:18:06 AM »
http://www.businessweek.com/articles/2012-02-17/the-kill-switch-comes-to-the-pc

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Janne Kytömäki, a Finnish software developer, was cruising Google’s (GOOG) Android Market for smartphone apps last year when he noticed something strange. Dozens of best-selling applications suddenly listed the same wrong publisher. It was as if Stephen King’s name had vanished from the covers of his books, replaced by an unknown author. Kytömäki realized the culprit was a piece of malware that was spreading quickly, and he posted his findings online.

Google responded swiftly. It flipped a little-known kill switch, reaching into more than 250,000 infected Android smartphones and forcibly removing the malicious code. “It was sort of unreal, watching something like that unfold,” says Kytömäki, who makes dice simulator apps. Kill switches are a standard part of most smartphones, tablets, and e-readers. Google, Apple (AAPL), and Amazon (AMZN) all have the ability to reach into devices to delete illicit content or edit code without users’ permission. It’s a powerful way to stop threats that spread quickly, but it’s also a privacy and security land mine.

With the rollout of the Windows 8 operating system expected later this year, millions of desktop and laptop PCs will get kill switches for the first time. Microsoft (MSFT) hasn’t spoken publicly about its reasons for including this capability in Windows 8 beyond a cryptic warning that it might be compelled to use it for legal or security reasons. The feature was publicized in a widely cited Computerworld article in December when Microsoft posted the terms of use for its new application store, a feature in Windows 8 that will allow users to download software from a Microsoft-controlled portal. Windows smartphones, like those of its competitors, have included kill switches for several years, though software deletion “is a last resort, and it’s uncommon,” says Todd Biggs, director of product management for Windows Phone Marketplace.

Microsoft declined to answer questions about the kill switch in Windows 8 other than to say it will only be able to remove or change applications downloaded through the new app store. Any software loaded from a flash drive, DVD, or directly from the Web will remain outside Microsoft’s control. Still, the kill switch is a tool that could help Microsoft prevent mass malware infections. “For most users, the ability to remotely remove apps is a good thing,” says Charlie Miller, a researcher with the security company Accuvant.

The history of kill switches on smartphones and e-readers suggests they’re double-edged swords for the companies that wield them. In 2009, Amazon reached into users’ Kindles to delete e-book copies of George Orwell’s 1984 and Animal Farm that had been sold by a publisher without the necessary rights. The ensuing backlash caused Amazon Chief Executive Officer Jeff Bezos to call the move “stupid, thoughtless, and painfully out of line with our principles.”

The reluctance of tech companies to set explicit policies for when they will and will not use kill switches contributes to the fear they’ll be abused. Civil rights and free speech advocates worry that tech companies could be pressured by governments to delete software or data for political reasons. “You have someone who has absolute control over my hard drive in ways I may have never anticipated or consented to,” says Eric Goldman, director of the High Tech Law Institute at Santa Clara University’s law school in California. “If they use that power wisely, they actually make my life better. We don’t know if they use the power wisely. In fact, we may never know when they use their power at all.”

Hiroshi Lockheimer, Google’s vice president of Android engineering, says the search company reserves the use of the kill switch for “really egregious, really obvious cases” of harmful content. Microsoft’s Biggs says the company has used the functionality in its smartphones only for “technical issues and content issues.” Apple declined to comment. Amazon did not respond to several messages.

Like many in his profession, Kevin Mahaffey, co-founder of the San Francisco startup Lookout, which makes security software for smartphones, expresses mixed emotions about the emergence of kill switches. “The remote removal tools are very much a response to the mistakes of the PC era,” he says. “Whether or not it’s an overcorrection, I think history will tell us. It can be done right, but we as an industry need to tread carefully. It’s easy to imagine several dystopian futures that can arise from this.”

One supporter is Janne Kytömäki, the Finn who discovered the Android malware outbreak. He says Google did the right thing by deleting the malware without users’ permission. “What was the alternative?” he says. “Leave those apps installed on 200,000 people’s mobiles? This is something that had to be done.”

The bottom line: Kill switches can improve computer security, but they worry privacy and free speech advocates.

Robertson is a reporter for Bloomberg News in San Francisco.
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Re: Windows 8
« Reply #124 on: March 06, 2012, 01:18:06 AM »

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Re: Windows 8
« Reply #125 on: May 16, 2012, 04:54:47 PM »

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Re: Windows 8
« Reply #126 on: June 23, 2012, 12:57:00 AM »
Oh for REALS Microsoft...!?



What a f@#king joke:laughing6:

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Re: Windows 8
« Reply #127 on: August 16, 2012, 06:06:01 PM »
So I tried the latest Windows 8 Release Preview (x64) on a 'spare' PC I have here...and while I do appreciate the general improvements
made in speed and responsiveness, navigating what is clearly meant to be a tablet-oriented OS with a mouse and keyboard is turning
out to be a downright NIGHTMARE.

Microsoft.....for the love of all that is good, PLEEEEAAAAAAASSSSSSE give users the option to disable Metro, at least for traditional
'desktop' apps, or...

PLEASE create a separate desktop version of Windows 8.  (please please PLEASE)

PLEASE give us back the Start menu.

PLEASE correct your course from what is going to be a fail of Vista-like proportions.



I can GUARANTEE there will be a whole lot of this...






The OS is Bugatti Veyron fast... I'll give you that Microsoft.
It's clean, simple, uncluttered...and I 'get' it, but it's TOTALLY non-intuitive...unless you're using a smartphone/tablet.  :shakehead:


Power-users will have very little problem figuring out what to do in very short order,
or find ways to disable Metro/restore the traditional Win7 desktop UI.

(...and disabling it might actually be more trouble than it is worth)

Everyone else....?

*crickets*


Your move, Microsoft.....
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Re: Windows 8
« Reply #128 on: October 15, 2012, 02:14:01 PM »
I'm seeing various ppl complaining about the start menu,
Why you guys want startbutton back so badly, what can the start button do that windows 8 start cant? Only thing i use that start button for in windows 7 is this: 1)Press Start, 2) Type what i looking for, 3) Press enter.

I do exactly the same in windows 8...(only with the added advantage of the search being across files/settings/apps/store/etc)

Can someone explain why the windows 7 styled startmenu is so important seeing that windows 8 does the same thing but better?
Are people using the Windows 7 startmenu for something other than what i use it for?

Please explain... Thanks.

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Re: Windows 8
« Reply #129 on: October 15, 2012, 02:41:37 PM »
I'm seeing various ppl complaining about the start menu,
Why you guys want startbutton back so badly, what can the start button do that windows 8 start cant? Only thing i use that start button for in windows 7 is this: 1)Press Start, 2) Type what i looking for, 3) Press enter.

I do exactly the same in windows 8...(only with the added advantage of the search being across files/settings/apps/store/etc)

Can someone explain why the windows 7 styled startmenu is so important seeing that windows 8 does the same thing but better?
Are people using the Windows 7 startmenu for something other than what i use it for?

Please explain... Thanks.

Force of habbit... decades of habbit. Me personally, I don't mind a new interface so matters less to me. Waiting on the cost price of the RT tablets myself.

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Re: Windows 8
« Reply #130 on: October 15, 2012, 02:45:54 PM »
Ok, but i was just watching it from a funtionality standpoint, win 8 star does everything 7 does and more. I cant remember when last i actually press windows 7 start and look at whats there lol. I usual just type what i searching for and press enter.
Apps i want to click on quickly are pinned to the taskbar, all that start menu does do for me in win 7 is search, nothing atal else.

So i juss trying to understand what men really looking for..., seeing that you can pin your apps to windows 8 taskbar just the same, and juss press start when u want to search something...

Win RT tabs getin skip for me, an RT tab is just an Ipad Alternative, i need a laptop replacement, Surface Pro for me.

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Re: Windows 8
« Reply #131 on: October 15, 2012, 04:15:22 PM »
I'll give a pretty pertinent eg of why ppl still want the start button (which like I said is decades of habit breaking). On my Android handset, I have many apps pinned to the 'desktop' for easy access, however I have much less used apps that have a very specific application that I may not use once in a blue moon. Trouble is I tend to forget what the app is named and because it isn't used often it makes no sense in having it pinned... thus I have 2 problems:
1. If I can't rem the name, I can't search it
2. It would take up unnecessary space I need for frequently used apps.
Thus where do I go? the 'start' button and look for the app by name as I can't necessarily rem the name OR the icon. The same applies in windows 8. Not everyone remember the names of the apps, or specifically want them pinned, thus the 'start' menu is where years of habit has trained ppl to look. Like I said it's not a problem for me persay, but I can apprecaite the apprehension. Also consider elderly whom have developed habits for their use on the computer, the new interface is like throwing them for a loop. New and improved is not always welcome vs tried and true. But these are just food for thought.

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Re: Windows 8
« Reply #132 on: October 15, 2012, 04:23:37 PM »
I can understand old people, because regardless they will have a hard time with change.
But d people who i seeing complaing , is young people who using tech all they life, so it rel confusing.
Also, that usecase u describe can be done on windows 8, and more efficiently and easier i mite add.

1, You can pin an unlimited amount of apps, and make tile groups etc, for your less used apps u cant rembmer bout. and 2, u can do "all apps" and view an alphabetical list of everything on d pc.

So from everything yuh explain d only one i understand is old ppl jumpin on win8, it will indeed be torture, but for young people i rel confused. Becuase d way win8 start is, in everyway is an advancement / evolution of the formula, is just to take ah 5-10 minutes to learn it and yuh good to go after that.

I still know old people who not used to Windows 7 window peak / jumplist feature. But the younger crowd, when used to it, use it 2nd nature, so i really doh see why so much of d younger crowd hating on win8 start so much nah.  Ah well.

I runing win8 rtm on laptop for months, and desktop for weeks, i put d "start" button on my mouse and is gg. Woking normal for me.

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Re: Windows 8
« Reply #133 on: October 15, 2012, 04:50:31 PM »
« Last Edit: October 15, 2012, 04:52:15 PM by MessiaaH »

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Re: Windows 8
« Reply #134 on: October 15, 2012, 08:59:04 PM »

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Re: Windows 8
« Reply #135 on: October 15, 2012, 11:19:14 PM »
Even with infinite space it would be tantamount to the start menu if you pinned everything there save not necessarily alphabetized like the start menu so the point still applies.

And yes even young ppl would complain because familiarity is a b1tch, you have to remember the vast majority of ppl are not as tech savy as you suggest. Most ppl are good with familiarity (particularly one built over decades) and slow to change

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Re: Windows 8
« Reply #136 on: October 16, 2012, 12:36:05 AM »
i think its just a matter of ignorance.. people see change and automatically hate it.. THEN they go to "test" it... but there going into it already hating it and thus the experience will be hated...

in win7 we press start -> all programs (to see all our program listing)... in win8 you press start -> all apps and get the same listing... but obviously nobody will know that and just assume it isnt there...

i've been using a slate with horrible hardware with win8 and its great.. i cant wait to see what a surface can do


in the end though most people will prolly get used to it and then would not be able to imagine life without it (just like the current start menu)
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Re: Windows 8
« Reply #137 on: October 16, 2012, 12:45:39 AM »
I've been using the release preview for a while now and I must say I love the experience, half the time I have all my monitors on desktop view and yet when time calls for it I run some of the "metro apps"

This has been called the dumbed down version of windows but in most cases it runs similarly or better than 7, I'll definitely be a first day purchaser on the 26th

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Re: Windows 8
« Reply #138 on: October 16, 2012, 09:16:22 AM »
I'm interested in rt cause i want a tablet (not a tablet pc replacement) and.since I'm on xbl i really wanna see how it will all integrate

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Re: Windows 8
« Reply #139 on: October 16, 2012, 02:15:04 PM »
I've been using the release preview for a while now and I must say I love the experience, half the time I have all my monitors on desktop view and yet when time calls for it I run some of the "metro apps"

Exactly the same here.
And i wont be buying on the 26th cuase i dont think pro coming out then.
Pricing for RT has been released doh.

http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/news/Press/2012/Oct12/10-16announcementPR.aspx


And pre-orders can be made now:
http://www.microsoft.com/Surface/en-US

And becuase of the nature of my job, i need to be walking round with a full fledged laptop at all times.
So i kinda have to get the PRO, the RT version just wont cut it, if i get RT ill have to still lob around a fullpowered laptop as well. Which eh making sense atal.

1 Feature i notice the RT have that i find pro should have too doh:

http://www.microsoft.com/Surface/en-US/surface-with-windows-rt/help-me-choose
Connectivity:  Always connected, even when in standby mode. Connected standby keeps apps up-to-date.    VS   Connectivity off when hibernating/sleeping to preserve battery.

I want the Pro version to be always connected even in standby, it kinda sucky it doesnt have that feature according to the official website.
« Last Edit: October 16, 2012, 02:16:47 PM by MessiaaH »

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Re: Windows 8
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    February 21, 2021, 05:30:10 PM
  • Crimson609: BOOM covid-19
    August 15, 2020, 01:07:30 PM
  • Shinsoo: bwda 2020 shoutboxing. omg we are in the future and in the past at the same time!
    March 03, 2020, 06:42:47 AM
  • TriniXjin: Watch Black Clover Everyone!
    February 01, 2020, 06:30:00 PM
  • Crimson609: lol
    February 01, 2020, 05:05:53 PM
  • Skitz: So fellas how we go include listing for all dem parts for pc on we profile but doh have any place for motherboard?
    January 24, 2020, 09:11:33 PM
  • Crimson609: :ph34r:
    January 20, 2019, 09:23:28 PM
  • Crimson609: Big up ya whole slef
    January 20, 2019, 09:23:17 PM
  • protomanex: Gyul like Link
    January 20, 2019, 09:23:14 PM
  • protomanex: Man like Kitana
    January 20, 2019, 09:22:39 PM
  • protomanex: Man like Chappy
    January 20, 2019, 09:21:53 PM
  • protomanex: Gyul Like Minato
    January 20, 2019, 09:21:48 PM
  • protomanex: Gyul like XJin
    January 20, 2019, 09:19:53 PM
  • protomanex: Shout out to man like Crimson
    January 20, 2019, 09:19:44 PM
  • Crimson609: shout out to gyal like Corbie Gonta
    January 20, 2019, 09:19:06 PM
  • cold_187: Why allur don't make a discord or something?
    December 03, 2018, 06:17:38 PM
  • Red Paradox: https://www.twitch.tv/flippay1985 everyday from 6:00pm
    May 29, 2018, 09:40:09 AM
  • Red Paradox: anyone play EA Sports UFC 3.. Looking for a challenge. PSN: Flippay1985 :)
    May 09, 2018, 11:00:52 PM
  • cold_187: @TriniXjin not really, I may have something they need (ssd/ram/mb etc.), hence why I also said "trade" ;)
    February 05, 2018, 10:22:14 AM

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