GATT Benchmarking Development forum

[W1nTry]

We have a new development in the benchmarks that is somewhat controversial. At present there are member (Myself included) that have PhysX hardware in our Machines to enhance performance in games or (like myself) increase my folding capabilities). The topic for discussion at present is whether GATT will enforce a policy allowing or disallowing the use of PhysX in the 3DMark Vantage benchmark or Not.

I for one believe if it's in the benchmark, it can and should be used. We will discuss this further with ALL input being appreciated. Ppl do NOT flam each other, it's s discussion to determine our stance as a GAMING COMMUNITY on this matter. This is NOT a epine measuring contest.

[phoenix31tt]

well my views are:

vantage doesnt allow you to upload your score if you enable phsyx, they have their reasons why and they are the developers... and if they dont allow it (and i doubt they are being biased toward ati), they shouldnt either.

however i have no problem with guys that goin phsyx to increase folding potential (nvidia all the way if thats one of your priorities)

and w!n.. if you could.. you could move all the phsyx related posts from the vantage thread to here.. to avoid reposting

[firstchoicett]

Artificial inflation of the score or not, the man is correct by saying it was never stated in the rules. This of course is subject to conversation as the benchmark thread has always been very open minded. If the PhysX score are excluded from 3DMark on a global level, I am hard pressed to see a reason we can't follow the same, however that is NOT to say we cannot discuss and come to an agreement. Whilst PhysX is a niche, it does add to certain titles and the benchmark itself. Meaning it should not be just overlooked without thought.

We will discuss this further in the GATT Benchmarking Development thread

I will post in this thread now and the discussion will follow. Until such time as it is made policy of the forum, no scores will be changed or placing modified.

well said thanks alot.


but heres my updated score. again lol

MB: Asus P6T Deluxe V2
CPU: Intel Core i7 975  @ 4.3GHz@ 1.4V
GPU: [Sapphire] ATI Radeon HD5870 CF Core 1010Mhzs memory 1315Mhzs
RAM: 6 X 2 Corsair Dominator 6 GB PC3-12800 1600 MHz 7-7-7-20

Score a easy 29,583 No Questions asked


29,702

i think i can reach pass 30k with this rig but i will leave it at this score for now and see what the dragon has to trow in the fire for me.

[firstchoicett]

i agreed with both of you. if they thought it was cheating then why did they put it in the program ?. until this matter is solved i will hold back the phyx rig for later, but for now, come check my new score in the ATI rig.

[phoenix31tt]

check your personal benchmark thread ftt

[Spazosaurus]

Do a benchie with and without physx and post both in your personal thread.

As not everyone can run physx hardware, to maintain a level playing field, leave physx scores out of the  official benchmark thread.

If desired, one can post the physx score in there in brackets or something but the standard score takes precedence.

[W1nTry]

I expect feedback from Arc, Capn, Wyatt, SPK, Red and all of the members that have a rig ranked on this forum. We cannot go with minority opinions.

[Spazosaurus]

see my views above your post.

[W1nTry]

I'ev advocated for overall benchmarks before hence why i have no problems with it, a rig is more than a 3DMark score, but seeing as it IS a 3DMark Vantage score, I hear the reasoning for leaving it out. I am still FOR it though XD

[Arcmanov]

I for one wouldn't call it cheating, but it does put the 'vantage' in 'advantage'.  (see what I did there?)

I think all benchies for the official thread should be devoid of any Physx treachery.

[phoenix31tt]

I think all benchies for the official thread should be devoid of any Physx treachery.

rofl.. not cheating.. just treachery :p

[firstchoicett]

I for one wouldn't call it cheating, but it does put the 'vantage' in 'advantage'.  (see what I did there?)

I think all benchies for the official thread should be devoid of any Physx treachery.

but you did not stated that in your rules. its only now when i beach the raven system abd hit 35k then its a problem i notice in the score board it had other users who was using phyx cards.

[W1nTry]

but you did not stated that in your rules. its only now when i beach the raven system abd hit 35k then its a problem i notice in the score board it had other users who was using phyx cards.

He has a point, however as a PhysX user myself and being on this forum for a sizeable period of time now, we've always been flexible with this thread. Only a few ppl pay attention to this specific thread as they have a vested interest so to speak. That being said, it is still the majority opinion that will matter. I may re-invent some interest into the weighted score Overall Gatt benchmark as if a tool is available to you, do you NOT use it? As such we may look to another benchmark for inclusion of PhysX

[phoenix31tt]

lol @ fctt... this has nothing to do with ur 35k system.. as u did not even officially post it up.. not to mention i was expecting your CF rig to top the rankings... i have been watchin the "physx" trend for awhile... its only recently i found out u couldnt upload your vantage score with phsyx on...

which lead to the questions and the checking

[firstchoicett]

lol @ fctt... this has nothing to do with ur 35k system.. as u did not even officially post it up.. not to mention i was expecting your CF rig to top the rankings... i have been watchin the "physx" trend for awhile... its only recently i found out u couldnt upload your vantage score with phsyx on...

which lead to the questions and the checking

hmm but i did top the cart with the CF system.


MB: Asus P6T Deluxe V2
CPU: Intel Core i7 975  @ 4.3GHz@ 1.4V
GPU: [Sapphire] ATI Radeon HD5870 CF Core 1010Mhzs memory 1315Mhzs
RAM: 6 X 2 Corsair Dominator 6 GB PC3-12800 1600 MHz 7-7-7-20

Score a easy 29,583 No Questions asked


29,702

lol

[W1nTry]

One has to admit that only when the rig bolstered a high score was it even noticed. Had it been like myself or HardO/C nothing was said. Convenience is one thing, just plain talk bad manners another. Either way, regardless of the 'original' reason it has become an issue, standardization based on majority opinion is the bottom line.

[W1nTry]

firstchoicett I believe. Either way those interested in more wholistic benchmarks I am hoping we can come together and come up with something, I tried to do it alone once, but it was difficult at best. O/C yuh up for that?

[IsMe2003]

I for one wouldn't call it cheating, but it does put the 'vantage' in 'advantage'.  (see what I did there?)

I think all benchies for the official thread should be devoid of any Physx treachery.

but you did not stated that in your rules. its only now when i beach the raven system abd hit 35k then its a problem i notice in the score board it had other users who was using phyx cards.

that Raven system is crazy man!,  tell me when you sya Raven, do you mean wone of them crazy man PCs from  Raven Computers? you guys sell them?

[firstchoicett]

I for one wouldn't call it cheating, but it does put the 'vantage' in 'advantage'.  (see what I did there?)

I think all benchies for the official thread should be devoid of any Physx treachery.

but you did not stated that in your rules. its only now when i beach the raven system abd hit 35k then its a problem i notice in the score board it had other users who was using phyx cards.

that Raven system is crazy man!,  tell me when you sya Raven, do you mean wone of them crazy man PCs from  Raven Computers? you guys sell them?

i do all kind of things but i not allowed to promote or sell nothing on this forums, sinc ei am not a powerseller.

[MessiaaH]

OK @ HardOC u keep saying if physx was a problem, futermark would have done somethign about it. err They Did.

U cannot post online official through the 3dmark program if phsyx is used. That is what dey did about it, phsyx is NOT allowed in official compitions. But its still included for users to gage different performance of different physx cards in there rig etc, but you are not allowed to post you scores online through the 3dmark program using physx.

Every other world recognised benchmarking compition follows suit.

And @ all d low end physx users, myself and phoenix have noticed d use of physx for men to increase dey score long time. but to be honest, it was not touching my score, so i coulda care less. But when u coming to take top spot, yuh have to come legit, when i first posted my system on gatt, i was beated by many stripes by all d mods, to provide certain information to back up my claims. FirstChoice posted his rig, wiht no such information, and was accorded to #3 spot imediately.

When u gunning for d top spots, u have to hold urself by ah different standard, and make sure all yuh stuff in order, to take d spot properly. So i think its unfair for ah man to post ah physx rig to take top spot with. If that same man disables physx he still has the top spot, so whats d problem? Is not like if he disable physx we go beat him, d man stil untop. but all in all,  my opinion is, physx should not be allowed officialy. post physx results in personal thread, dey shouldnt belong in the official rankings.

And FirstChoice, you have yet to say if both the CF and QuadSLI rigs are you OWN personal rigs. Benchmarks should not be submitted if the rig in question is not built/and bought with yuh own money.

If the submission of such rigs are allowed, i can easily go home, take isme2003 liquid cooled 5970, slap it in mine, and call it ah benchmark.