Quote from: Notodd1991 on December 27, 2008, 12:27:37 AMU guys think the price of the GTX 260 will drop any lower when the 295 comes out in a few weeks i ask because i am going to buy a 260 some time in the next few weeksThe price of the 260's will probably be less than $250 by the end of January due to the launch of the GTX 285 and 295. The 295 is apparently selling for $399 according to those reviews. Amazing how prices have fallen over the past few months on video cards.
U guys think the price of the GTX 260 will drop any lower when the 295 comes out in a few weeks i ask because i am going to buy a 260 some time in the next few weeks
Quote from: woodyear99 on January 08, 2009, 11:12:56 AMQuote from: Notodd1991 on December 27, 2008, 12:27:37 AMU guys think the price of the GTX 260 will drop any lower when the 295 comes out in a few weeks i ask because i am going to buy a 260 some time in the next few weeksThe price of the 260's will probably be less than $250 by the end of January due to the launch of the GTX 285 and 295. The 295 is apparently selling for $399 according to those reviews. Amazing how prices have fallen over the past few months on video cards.Man who smoke in toilet high on pot.You keep saying $399, but there's no way nvidia will sell a card thats outperforming the 4870x2 for LESS than the x2. Come on! Its NVIDIA we talking about here.That said, nice card. Can't wait to see ATI's reaction in terms of an actual new card and not just on the price war front, although I heard nothing will be forthcoming until the second half of this year. This year should see an interesting war being waged both on the price and performance front.
Quote from: Captain Awesome on January 08, 2009, 05:32:03 PMQuote from: woodyear99 on January 08, 2009, 11:12:56 AMQuote from: Notodd1991 on December 27, 2008, 12:27:37 AMU guys think the price of the GTX 260 will drop any lower when the 295 comes out in a few weeks i ask because i am going to buy a 260 some time in the next few weeksThe price of the 260's will probably be less than $250 by the end of January due to the launch of the GTX 285 and 295. The 295 is apparently selling for $399 according to those reviews. Amazing how prices have fallen over the past few months on video cards.Man who smoke in toilet high on pot.You keep saying $399, but there's no way nvidia will sell a card thats outperforming the 4870x2 for LESS than the x2. Come on! Its NVIDIA we talking about here.That said, nice card. Can't wait to see ATI's reaction in terms of an actual new card and not just on the price war front, although I heard nothing will be forthcoming until the second half of this year. This year should see an interesting war being waged both on the price and performance front.Just restating what is in the review on the $399, dunno where they getting their information from. Good times for consumers though.
How much are the GTX 285's supposed to go for?
Nvidia spins on the GTS250Whoopty ding-dong More underhand slides to bore you withBy Charlie DemerjianMonday, 2 March 2009, 14:50HOT ON THE heels of the silly G92 to GT200M renaming comes the slide-show of the GT 250 series. We told you about the flat-out underhand behaviour that Nvidia is doing with the launch, now prepare yourself for the agonizingly dull slides (which we have seen but cannot publish for legal reasons).This set is only 18 slides long not quite into bite-your-tongue-off-to-ease-the-pain territory but close.The card is a case of YARGP (Yet Another Renamed G92 Product), and it brings absolutely nothing new to the table. Nvidia has a warehouse full of these, as do their partners, and they need to move them. People aren't buying, so it is time to rename and spin.Spin they do, quite creatively, but not necessarily persuasively or convincingly as you will see. It is almost like they are embarrassed by their own actions. That said, here are the notes we took on the slides, one by one. Be still my beating heart.First we have a splash screen called "Introducing the GeForce GTS 250". We won't quibble that they are introducing the card name, but the card itself has been with us since mid-2007. Nothing new here, really, and certainly nothing that warrants a new name.Slide two is titled "What is the GeForce GTS 250?". There are two bullet points here, "New 1GB board positioned at $149", and "New name to align with with the new nomenclature". Yup, that's it. They just admitted there is nothing at all new, it is just a price drop and a sticker. The next 16 slides are worthless, but that won't stop Nvidia.Slide 3 makes my head hurt. It is a large marketing chart that shows one data point, the 9800GTX+/512M goes from $149 to become the GTS 250/512 and the GTS 250/1G is now $149. You can tell "the awsumness" by a yellow 'new' symbol on the description. I am somewhat shocked that they didn't go a bit farther to point this out. It is, after all, new. Or is that 'new'. 'New!' perhaps? In either case, you could have bought the same exact thing with an 8800GT badge before Christmas 2007, so 'new' hardly seems realistic, and 'New!' is right out.The next one shows that the clocks are 738MHz graphics, 1836MHz processor, and 1100MHz for memory with 1G of DDR3 and a power draw of 150W. Dual-slot cooling is standard, but luckily there have been no problems with cooling the older ones.Slide 5 is really desperate. It lists 'best in class performance' without listing what they mean by class, or the fact that ATI eats them alive in this 'class'. Then they tout the rather limp Cuda, Physx and SLI, along with the 3D glasses as card features. Yup, those 3D glasses sure sparkle with that name change; new stickers sure do make a worthless toy pop to life. They then point out that the G92 is somehow future-proof with Windows 7, even though it won't do DX11. I would love to see the tortuous logic path that lead to that point, something about underpants gnomes and profit perhaps?From there, it is on to graphs, four games comparing the GTS 250 to the Radeon 4850. Ironically, they chose games that Nvidia heavily invested in, Fear 2, Dawn of War 2, Mirror's Edge and Hawx, all released in 2009. I wonder why they didn't include the usual list of games, and some that they didn't sink six or seven figures of loyalty money into? Could it be that they lose badly? Nah, that wouldn't be it.They have somewhere between no advantage on Fear and a large one on Mirror's Edge. From the disparity, they look to have turned on Physx for Mirror's Edge, giving them the advantage. The fine print says to see the appendix for the test configuration, but the press slide deck conveniently omits it. Curious that. In any case, none of these games runs at the requisite 120Hz needed for the 3D glasses they were touting in the last slide, but that is picking nits, isn't it?Slide 8 goes back to hitting below the belt. It compares SLI vs Crossfire scaling on game release day. They show that Far Cry 2, Mirror's Edge, and Fear 2 all gained from SLI and lost frames with Crossfire. This is likely true, and the missing appendix noted on the bottom of the slide might shed some light. But, as I said, it is missing.Why it is below the belt takes us on to a little bit about the gaming industry that Nvidia doesn't want you to know. You may know the Nvidia ads that are so annoying at the beginning of many games. They are there because Nvidia paid the devs a lot of money to put them in. This money we hear more than a $1 million for AAA titles, especially if they are commonly benchmarked isn't exactly given without strings.If any company wants to display a game at a trade show, or publish numbers and benchmarks based on it, they need permission to do so. If Nvidia gave a company $1 million, and ATI calls up and says, "Can we use your game at E3 to show off in our booth?" guess what the answer will be?More to the point, guess which company will have engineers embedded with the devs to make sure that their flavour of scaling will work really well? Guess which side will not be extended this privilege, or at least get a lot less love and support?Basically, what Nvidia did is to spend money to keep ATI out of several games, and then used them as examples of how good SLI is. It isn't hard to win a race when someone breaks your opponent's knees, but is is sleazy to tout this as an athletic achievement on your part. Then again, Nvidia is like that.Slide 8 is a bunch of throwaway lines by representatives of companies that received the aforementioned payouts. Given their profit margins, a $1 million cheque sure would make a new technology exciting, especially if layoffs were looming. Strangely, that is just what these people said and did.The next one again shows off Mirror's Edge, and how a GTS 250 blows a 4850 and 4870 out of the water. Again the claimed appendix is missing, and the huge disparity suggests that reason for this is Physx. I am getting sick of using the words sleazy and unethical, but they do fit.Getting into the double digit slides, we move firmly into the surreal with one entitled 'Gamer's Reaction to PhysX'. I must admit, I have never seen a PR department desperate enough to stoop this low before, but I have never seen a company need to rename a tired product four times before either.This slide has three quotes from random people on three forums, Videogamer, Anandtech, and Gamepro. If three random people picked from message boards don't convince you that physx rox0rz, what will? What more do you need if that doesn't do it for you, bare minimum eye candy that whacks your frame rates in half on a much faster card? You do get that, honest. Real advances are 'coming soon', and by soon we mean when Intel and Havok release their next version.Slide 11 shows TMPGenc going faster on a GTS 250 than an Intel E8200 CPU. The impressive numbers are not backed up by independent testing though. Nvidia doesn't mention this point for some reason.12 is all about the 3D glasses that no one is buying, but that doesn't stop Nvidia from making slides about it. That said, I can't figure out what this has to do with renaming the G92, but they put it in anyway. Slide 13 is an analogue of slide 8, but replace physx with 3D glasses, and you get the idea. You get what you pay for.That brings us to slide 14 which is all about Windows 7 and how it will use the GPU and CPU to accelerate things. The term for this is DX11, but Nvidia doesn't seem to mention that because the G92 can't do DX11. Ironically, this does tie in to card renaming, Win 7 is Vista SP1a, a renamed OS just like the cards. Sneaky one Nvidia, but it does hit the nail on the head.Slide 15 goes more into this, but never mentions the G92, or the fact that it won't do the neato things that Win 7 supposedly brings. The G92 is fully DRM compliant, but that is not a point PR usually likes to make. On the next slide, Mike Nash of MS is quoted talking about NV and Win 7. Yay!Slide 17 shows 7 benchmarks on Windows 7, all of which Nvidia leads. Two, Fallout 3 and Quake Wars, are listed as not running. Again, they refer to the appendix for details, and it is still missing. By now, I really do wonder how much they bent the rules if they are hiding it this much.The last one is, ironically, the same slide as the last on on the GT200M deck, mostly because it is the same exact chip. Nvidia again claims leadership of the free world, that the G92 will make desserts taste better, and the fact that they own several trademarks that no one else uses.So in closing, the GTS 250 is a new sticker on a G92 that is coupled with a $20 price drop. Big whoopty ding-dong... but they did take 18 slides to say it. ĩ
I know you like everything AMD W1ntry, but oh GORM...
you go through real trouble dey wintry to point out d obvious. lol
