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« on: March 24, 2008, 10:24:18 AM »
I've been reading articles on the next OS from MS every now and again, and they all point to 1 thing. A stripped down, modular OS that will be faster and more customizable than any of its predecessors. Now i've found an article that sums things up nicely and is defintely worth a ready as it could potentially be predicting what the next OS will be like in terms of MS rollout plans. It also makes alot of sense.

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Evidence mounting: Windows 7 going modular, subscription

By Ken Fisher | Published: March 23, 2008 - 03:50PM CT

When Windows 7 launches sometime after the start of 2010, the desktop OS will be Microsoft's most "modular" yet. Having never really been comfortable with the idea of a single, monolithic desktop OS offering, Microsoft has offered multiple desktop OSes in the marketplace ever since the days of Windows NT 3.1, with completely different code bases until they were unified in Windows 2000. Unification isn't necessarily a good thing, however; Windows Vista is a sprawling, complex OS.

A singular yet highly modular OS could give Microsoft the best of all possible worlds: OSes that can be highly customized for deployment but developed monolithically. One modular OS to rule them all, let's say.

Mary Jo Foley is wagering that one of the big changes coming with Windows 7 is that it might be "available in pieces." That is to say, Windows 7 could be a modular OS. I'll go further. Windows 7 will be a modular OS, and we can already see the clues in Windows Vista, because it, too, is a fledgling modular OS. What we're talking about and why it matters (= software subscriptions), follows...
A modular Windows 7 is a lock

The first reason Foley gives is that Windows Server 2008 has "server roles" which can automagically determine which packages are installed and how the system in configured (more here). Foley suggests that this approach on the server side would translate well to the client, but the process of modularization has already begun on the client side.

Windows Vista was designed so that all three consumer editions—Basic, Premium, and Ultimate—can be installed off of one DVD and can be upgraded in place from one version to another. The changes can be "deep," since (for instance) Home to Premium can enable Aero Glass, and Premium to Ultimate can add BitLocker drive encryption, etc. My point is that Microsoft is already selling a "modular" OS, and the modules currently map to Windows Vista SKUs. Microsoft is also developing other modules around its Live efforts.

Unsurprisingly, Microsoft already has a patent on a "modular operating system" concept. A "core function" module, which includes the kernel, features a "license validation module" that authorizes the use of all additional modules, and uses DRM-like technology to prevent the use of unauthorized modules. Windows Vista uses part of its anti-piracy arsenal to validate and monitor changes to the OS for this reason.

So, Windows 7 will be modular, but to an unknown degree. I personally expect the modularization to focus on value-adds, as did Anytime Upgrade on Vista. It allows Microsoft to draw lines between what is and isn't "in" the OS for DoJ compliance issues. Whether it be Live Services, Windows Media Player, or even Internet Explorer, Microsoft could roll those into modules and then say, "Hey, look, that's not part of Windows, we're charging extra for that!" Foley says that she's heard from sources that Microsoft is working on a Photo + Mail + Video module that would exist apart from the OS, for instance. I've heard less specific groupings myself.
A brave, modular world (might not be so great)

Is a modular world a better one? For those of us having to manage software rollouts to scores of desktops, this would be yet another tool in the toolbox. Microsoft could create "desktop roles" like "information kiosk" that includes a stripped-down feature set, for instance.

Microsoft can also add/remove functionality module by module. New modules could be sold post-launch, keeping revenue streams strong. In fact, modules could be maintained independent of OS versions. Microsoft could create a "Live Services" module that is maintained by a dedicated team, designed to work across multiple OSes, yet provide a completely consistent experience.

A modular approach could also allow the company to make functionality available on a time-limited basis, potentially allowing users to "rent" a feature if it's needed on a one-off basis. Note that Microsoft is already testing "pay as you go" consumer subscriptions in developing countries.

The software+services side of modularization is what is surely driving this change at Microsoft. As I argued last summer, this is all a critical piece of Microsoft's software subscription dreams. In "2010, a 'Windows 7' software subscription odyssey," I noted that Microsoft has been reinventing its approach to Windows in order to facilitate the continued sales of multiple levels of the Windows "experience." Microsoft has confirmed that there will be multiple SKUs for Windows 7 and that there will be different subscription services built around the OS.

Whether or not this is a good thing is difficult to predict. Generally, we're very much in favor of package-based setup routines, much like you find with popular Linux distributions. Why run a web server when you don't need it? Why start device drivers that aren't going to be used? Why install a library on a system that doesn't need it?

But just imagine a Windows 7 install that allowed you to install only what you wanted. Don't like Internet Explorer, Windows Media Player, Windows Mail, Windows Firewall, etc.,? Don't install them or their supporting code. You've got to like that, if you're a Windows user.

Does this mean that Microsoft will ask you to subscribe to the next version of Windows, as opposed to buying it? That's unlikely, unless you're in business. The next consumer release will likely be a standalone OS stocked with an array of built-in and subscription-only modules.

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« on: March 24, 2008, 10:24:18 AM »

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Re: Windows 7
« Reply #1 on: March 24, 2008, 07:49:08 PM »
a good read.

All the way through I kept thinking, but that's exactly like so many linux distros, which they mentioned at the end of the article. lol

Speaking of linux, the disaster that is Vista, should give those distros a little window to pitch themselves as a good alternative.

It's a shame they still can't pwn XP as the desktop OS of choice for John Doe. It's been around long enough as king.

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Re: Windows 7
« Reply #3 on: August 19, 2008, 10:23:50 AM »
What disappointing dribble
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August 18, 2008 10:20 AM PDT
Windows 7 Server to be 'minor release'
Posted by Ina Fried
 
Microsoft said on Monday that the server version of Windows 7 will not be a major release and will bear the name Windows Server 2008 R2.

The move is surprising, given that in the past, Microsoft has used R2 monikers to signify a product with a few new features, as opposed to major changes to a product.

Microsoft declined to discuss what will be in Windows Server 2008 R2, but a spokesman confirmed that it is the server version of Windows 7. The release is due sometime in 2010, Microsoft said.

The server move calls into question just how different Windows 7 is going to be from Windows Vista on the desktop side. Steven Sinofsky, the head of development for the desktop version of Windows, has said that Windows 7 on the PC side would not make major changes to things like the kernel and driver model, but has maintained that it would be a major release of Windows.

Microsoft has said that the desktop version of Windows 7 would include a new multitouch interface, but has not talked about other features.

The software maker confirmed its naming plans, following a report by ZDNet blogger Mary Jo Foley. Initially Foley reported that Microsoft was skipping its minor R2 release and moving straight to its next major release. However, Microsoft clarified that it indeed sees Windows 7 on the server side as a minor release.

On its server roadmap page, Microsoft describes its minor, or update releases this way:

    Update releases integrate the previous major release with the latest service pack, selected feature packs, and new functionality. Because an update release is based on the previous major release, customers can incorporate it into their environment without any additional testing beyond what would be required for a typical service pack. Any additional functionality provided by an update would be optional and thus not affect application compatibility or require customers to recertify or retest applications.

The question is, if Windows 7 Server needs no more testing than a service pack, is it really possible for the desktop team to add enough features on top of it to make Windows 7 a big improvement upon the oft-criticized Windows Vista.

If you are having trouble reconciling Microsoft's server and client positions, you are not alone. I pressed Microsoft's server side for more details on how this could be understood, but didn't get much help. I'll also check in with some folks on the desktop Windows team and see what I hear back.

Microsoft has said it will share technical details on Windows 7 at its Professional Developers Conference in late October in Los Angeles.
http://news.cnet.com/8301-13860_3-10019113-56.html?hhTest=1

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Re: Windows 7
« Reply #4 on: August 19, 2008, 11:17:31 AM »
Considering the amont of work required to change over a company's server operating system to a completely different, newer version, i'd say this is not such a bad idea at all. I mean, if you get the new features of a whole new OS in a service pack, then...hell yeah...that is if Server 7 can indeed be installed as a service pack on top of Server 2008. Then it will be like...a Service Pack you have to pay for.

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Re: Windows 7
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Re: Windows 7
« Reply #5 on: August 19, 2008, 11:24:41 AM »
Then it will be like...a Service Pack you have to pay for.
What's the upside to that exaclty?

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Re: Windows 7
« Reply #6 on: August 19, 2008, 11:37:47 AM »
Features of a totally new OS in a service pack...much much easier to implement than a standalone system. Won't you go for that?

of course, I wont expect them to charge as much as they would for a standalone system.

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Re: Windows 7
« Reply #7 on: August 19, 2008, 11:50:57 AM »
i fail to see where the disappointment lies...

windows 2008 is already great... and will still be a relatively new OS when windows 7 is released... as Capt said it would be like paying for a service pack...

windows 2008 is much better than windows 2003 and actually encourages people to move forwards, whereas vista encourages people to stay with xp...

windows 2008 doesnt not need a remake... vista needs it however (which is what windows 7 is about)...

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Re: Windows 7
« Reply #8 on: August 19, 2008, 11:55:25 AM »
I agree with phoenix. I think the stink is on deskside right now anyway. Server Side flack hasn't been too bad.

2003 does the job.
« Last Edit: August 19, 2008, 12:05:57 PM by NoobGoneWild »

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Re: Windows 7
« Reply #9 on: August 19, 2008, 12:19:48 PM »
Yall clearly doh know the cost associated with licensing this software do you? Server ain't cheap as chips so to speak. Many companies are happily running along with Sever2003 and XP vs. Server 2007 and Vista. Compatibility issues, already paid software not being compatible... the list goes on and on. A new installation would be fine, but many companies find it hard to cough up cash for new features they don't use and new licensing for a system that is already working. So as I said, how is PAYING for an service pack a good thing?

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Re: Windows 7
« Reply #10 on: August 19, 2008, 12:27:38 PM »
As you well know, in most cases, licensing an upgrade is considerably cheaper than licensing a full version product. So I can't imagine how a service pack that brings enough functionality for it to be considered a full upgrade could be a bad thing.

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Re: Windows 7
« Reply #11 on: August 19, 2008, 12:30:02 PM »
Anyone else even realize even the writer of the article and the other reporter they refereced are disappointed? The point they are making is that it's not ENOUGH of a difference for MS to be rebranding and selling. Meaning you're paying for somethign that's not much better than what is already available with no definite idea of what MS is giving or NOT going to give in the 'upgrade'

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Re: Windows 7
« Reply #12 on: August 19, 2008, 12:35:45 PM »
Well, they also said that there were other features that were not revealed, so its a bit early to tell. But the concept in itself seems to be a good one. They just got to back it up with sufficient new features.

btw...wtmc @ your sig dred lol. That's almost nsfw.

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Re: Windows 7
« Reply #13 on: August 19, 2008, 01:05:26 PM »
Well, they also said that there were other features that were not revealed, so its a bit early to tell. But the concept in itself seems to be a good one. They just got to back it up with sufficient new features.
Fair enough, but MS does have a history of not failing to disappoint

btw...wtmc @ your sig dred lol. That's almost nsfw.
Yes, but it is still large amounts of EPIC WIN (was just WAITING on someone to comment XD)

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Re: Windows 7
« Reply #14 on: August 19, 2008, 01:17:51 PM »
sighs... as it is windows 2008 is worth the money and all the "trouble" which is very little btw...

alot of people are already moving to 2008 and alot of new installs are going with 2008...

with ur position as far as licensing... customers will gripe even more if windows 7 server was brand new... meaning they would have to buy it over... they will be happy to know that they gettin the benefits of windows 7 without having to buy new licenses etc...

the 2008 to R2 upgrade licenses will be considerable cheaper.

as far as i see rebranding and reselling is exactly what they trying to avoid by goin with 2008 R2 instead of Windows 7 Server...

where the reviewers have the problem is they are assuming since 7 is only better enough to give it a 2008 R2 rating what will make the client side so much better... we will just have to see

even if its just a stable vista... currently alot of corporations are holding out on vista neway and opting to wait for win7 so its not like they are paying for a similar product twice... they will be going from xp -> 7...

but time will tell

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Re: Windows 7
« Reply #15 on: August 19, 2008, 01:28:59 PM »
btw...wtmc @ your sig dred lol. That's almost nsfw.

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Re: Windows 7
« Reply #16 on: August 19, 2008, 05:01:11 PM »
I am sorry, i read nothing of the posts above.  All I saw was that sig. :P
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Re: Windows 7
« Reply #17 on: October 30, 2008, 03:50:19 AM »
Saw this today with supposed snapshots of Windows 7, looks like a repacked vista.....

http://keznews.com/4961_Windows_7_M3_Build_6801_Screenshots

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Re: Windows 7
« Reply #18 on: October 30, 2008, 08:01:19 AM »
prolly is vista u watchin hehe

http://neowin.net/news/live/08/10/28/introducing-the-windows-7-ui

btw ui and funtionality is 2 different things

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Re: Windows 7
« Reply #19 on: October 30, 2008, 11:14:21 AM »
I didn't think it would look much different than Vista and the pics in that link shows a lil tweaking of the current Vista theme but as you said ui and the functionality is what's important here and let's see if 7 delivers....

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Re: Windows 7
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