Marvel vs. Capcom 1 Sweatage! (NEW DATE! Saturday 10th January, 2009)

[Jdcrys_Shinkuu]

Hey im no clone!!! lol i got my ass busted badly for those moves you see me do. only recently have i accepted some pointers from ultima. my DWM are 2nd to none. its not the best but i can still dish it out. i was amazed when i looked up for mvc1 combos on youtube... there are so many.... but putting that aside i am not a clone. all i have is my trial n error. had i been a clone dear rb meh boy i would have researched these combos along time ago n learnt the infinites. so your point has just been cut off there lol. saturday is it fellows. saturday let no man make a mistake we will capitalize on it.

[Ultima]

As I posted in the MvC2 thread, i will not be available for anything this weekend. Real Life™ has gotten in the way (need to get stuff sorted out with my car on Saturday, and company fete [that I really don't want to go to, but have to] on Sunday). >:|

Also Q:

Simply put, NORMAL THROWS REQUIRE NO SKILL

Instant failure. I stopped reading your post after that.

Also, LOL at bragging about Ryu switch combos that a) are old as the hills (circa ~1999) and b) no one actually bothers to do in a real match because they're worthless (actually, Ryu on the whole is worthless in a real match, but oh well). Learning a character on your own is great an all, but when you'll get no props for learning stuff that everyone else learned years ago and try to claim it as your own because you didn't see it before, especially stuff that the rest of us moved past because it sucks.

You play in St. James? I've been hella busy and haven't been able to go there for 6 weeks now, but I was going every Friday regularly at oe point and dominating on MvC2. Next week I might be able to put in an appearance on Monday or Wednesday evening if you can make it.

[whiplash]

thats true about combos in all games.u  cant patent a combo thats f****in insane. people will laugh.
I once saw two guys actually fight over a combo one claiming the other stole HIS combo. Real fight eh.

[Ultima]

Oh, sure you can "patent" a combo, team, tactic, whatever. But just like with real patents, you just have to make sure you were the first one to find said combo/team/tactic. After all, we have personalized stuff like Valle CC, BAS VCs, ROM infinite, and a bunch of special teams in MvC2 (Row, Santhrax, Watts, etc). Switch combos done 9 years after the fact do not fall into this category.

[New Era Outlaw]

thats true about combos in all games.u  cant patent a combo thats f****in insane. people will laugh.
I once saw two guys actually fight over a combo one claiming the other stole HIS combo. Real fight eh.

Ah, ha, ha, ha!! Oh MAN.

Anyway, it is true....you can't really lay claim to a combo, since the likelihood exists that somebody else in the world may have also found it. However, you can put your own "signature" on combos (for example, some of my competitors know me well for opening up people with Mega Man's LK, MK to unleash a LOT of crap upon them.)

However, there are a few rare instances where somebody actually can lay claim to being an innovator.
For example, people on the whole did not even know about Roll's false launcher (an OTG Jab to Fierce Punch) to initiate air combos until Talon Icehawk demonstrated it in his Roll combo videos (go look it up on YouTube).

Still, though.....can't really claim any one combo is 'yours', to say the least.
Remember that there are millions of players all over the world, and you never know when one of them found out about that combo earlier than you did, if even by accident.

Simply put, NORMAL THROWS REQUIRE NO SKILL

Instant failure. I stopped reading your post after that.

Sad to say, that's a classic example of Rule #1.
If anybody has a problem with throws, I'm sorry, but read that article.
I'm sorry for being so blunt in there, but it's for your own good.

[Ultima]

When/if I play Q, someone remind me to throw him 98120938 times.

[Q]

lol
Don't sing it, Ultima... BRING IT. I'll be in St James tomorrow. I won't be there any time this week because I have the late shift and they close before I get off work and get there.

In any case, I've been doing those combos since 97/98 (somewey dey) when the game was actually fresh. As I stated when I uploaded the footage to YouTube, it is only NOW that I've been able to record and upload them (I had CXC for goodness sake). I'm pretty sure it's MINE. Any where you see that combo, the same will be said: That's Q's. ANYWHERE... South, Tom's in San Juan, Chaguanas, I did it in St James just yesterday, Long Circular (when it was alive), Knight Raiders on Charlotte St, Gulf City, etc. I've literally done it all over the country. Even if they don't know my name, they'll describe me. It's only since I've joined this site that I've started actively using my name. I usually just kill and fade away and ppl only got my name by watching me sign. All I ever tell those who ask me is "Sure, I'll teach it to you. Go ahead and use it. Just remember the address." That's just locally, spanning close to a decade. If after a decade you still have yet to see it anywhere else then why fight me down? I've got too much pride to claim a technique that isn't mine. The second anybody honestly shows me that they did it before me, I'll not only let you know, I'll change my name.
And yes, it's impractical. One super would do the same damage but as impractical as it is, I do my change combos for two reasons: 1) The occasional mind-shag of shocked non-believers who've never seen it and 2) Because it's one of the skills that makes my Ryu unique and personal and serves as a manifestation of the time I put in to learn him throughly in MvC.

As far as the likelyhood goes, NEO, is it really that hard to believe that someone in Trinbago did something before the rest of the (gaming) world? We are a very bright ppl here... We just do stupid sh*t.

Now, Ultima... Ryu USELESS in MvC? I'll see you choke on a Sho Ryu Ken but I promise I won't laugh...



Hard.


You name the place, I'll dig your grave;
Q.

[Q]

BTW, I've just read Rule 1. I have accepted it. As I said before, that doesn't mean I like it and it CERTAINLY doesn't mean that I'm going to rely on it. The most I'll do is joke about it. I have actually played a hold-game before. Some n00b in XMenvSF saw me do some supers and combos and said "I doh need dem ting. I'll fling yuh mudda c$%#." and he threw me like a bag of rice using Alpha Chun Li. Jump kick, throw... Kick super, throw... Block my combo, throw. WHOLE GAME. He literally made no more than 2 hits at a time. His associate said "Nah hoss. Dat rell sad." and he said "Well why he eh grab meh back den?"

All I did was put in another coin and softly, sweetly said "This is why I don't grab..." He was done faster than popcorn in Hiroshima and Mac-a-cheese in Chernobyl (Ah REEEEEEEELL fling dat) and he still has the gall to say "Buh u rell stink hoss". I actually choked on a laugh. The clock was still in the 70's.

I can grab. I know others will grab. I know grabbing is part of the game. I'd just really rather not. Those who do will still get human respect from me (It's still a game after all) but I'll fight you with a condescending, brutal style, almost like swatting a fly. I'll just dispatch you, post haste.

I accept it, I accept that others will do it but I don't like it and I won't follow suit. Why is that so hard to understand? 



I love the rest of the rules, esp. #3. I remember my first thought when I saw NEO's Roll in 2000/2001 (somewey dey): This will be most interesting.


I learnt very early that in this life, EVERYBODY'S got an ace in the hole... In gaming and in reality.
In other words, DOH WATCH NOBODY SLIGHT.

[Imperial_X]

Not that I really give a flying turd about MvC1 and all that, but I do think that it's wrong to say a combo is "yours".  It is just a matter of discovery and who's playing around with whatever for however long or who came across whatever by accident.

Discover would be a better word to use but in all actuality, even the use of that word in this case is tragically flawed.  Thinking rationally, one can deduce the fact that that which does not exist, cannot be found or discovered.  You can't discover something that was always there.  Like that bullshit story about Isaac Newton and gravity for instance.  If an "apple" didn't hit him on the head when he slept, do you think we'd be with or without gravity?  It's common sense really.

For the sake of poking fun as well, I think many of the viewpoints in this thread are woefully sad.
Enjoy the darkness.

[rb]

i invented the internet

[Saxito Pau]

*reads last 2 pages of posts*

OK then.. I am definitely going to be passed around like a noob Murray street whore...

My only goal today is to at least make sure that my opponent has to fight hard for the win. I am nowhere near the skill level of you guys but I will still play you and enjoy it.

I know I came sooooo close to actually beating NEO once, and once even had JD on low life. But I am satisfied with that...

I'll try to practice on a computer today and hope I can at least not look like every other grub in the mall today.

[Q]

Not that I really give a flying turd about MvC1 and all that, but I do think that it's wrong to say a combo is "yours".  It is just a matter of discovery and who's playing around with whatever for however long or who came across whatever by accident.
Discover would be a better word to use but in all actuality, even the use of that word in this case is tragically flawed.  Thinking rationally, one can deduce the fact that that which does not exist, cannot be found or discovered.  You can't discover something that was always there.

I see someone got an "A" in semantics... In any case, it wasn't an accident. I set out to see if it would work and it did. All haters can call it what they wish. All this undue fuss makes me wonder if you ppl ever did something on your own or are you all just net-babies whose entire strategy is nothing more than fodder from an old web page. If that's the case, that is woefully sad.

It's no wonder the standard is what it is... Nobody tries anything on their own anymore. That's why a copied strategy is almost an expectation. *I feel tears coming on...* More's the pity that I can't be there today.


I'd love to face you and that pseudo-intellectual nonsense on the battlefield.

[rb]

Regardless of how many strategies you may invent, a win is still a win regardless of what strategy is used.

[Q]

Now that my sanity has returned, all I'll say is there will be another time. I'll face you all and words will become irrelevant. Say what you wish now. Just be sure that you intend to say it on the field as well. If you're not ready to put up, SHUT UP. I'm looking for killers, not oral assassins so mouth-murderers need not apply or is it that you guys are all talk?


Waiting for any and all comers,
Q

[rb]

well i'll refrain from attempting to assassinate you and go back to the games that I can get some comp in.  Considering everyone here has played each other I'd watch who you're calling the "all talk and no action" considering that up til now thats what you have been doing as well. Good ploy to get ppl out though. I'll leave you guys to talk about that game you guys play. I know I got nothing to prove.

[Imperial_X]

Quite amusing this.  Semantics?  I'm pleased to inform you that you are horribly mistaken.  Some combos are found by accident others from research and development.  In any of these circumstances, you still did not or rather could not have invented anything.  You CAME ACROSS it through testing.

I mean, you don't need to think very far outside that constricting box of yours to realize that video games are based on a set of predetermined rules and programming.  Some rules can be bent while others can be broken.  Yes I sound like Morpheus right about now but that's the reality of the thing. 

If you play your game of choice, which seems to be MvC1 and did an aerial rave for the first time in your life, would you be saying I "invented" this?

I wasn't planning on having much to say about this but it's not very hard to force my argumentative side out of me these days.

I've visited one or two of your "combos" and while I'm no hardcore MvC1 player, I can say that the combos you've displayed are what is indeed woefully displeasing.  The practicality on those things are ZERO and they're an utter waste of supers for the trade in damage they do.  While they're YOUR prized "possessions", personally, if I played the game to any semi-serious degree, I wouldn't put my name anywhere near those thing without informing people that they are just things I did for fun.  For the most part, that whole transformation into super thing looks like a easy link.  Feel free to flame me though because I'm not MvC1 god or anything.

I will say this as well.  I like your attitude to an extent but you seem to be dreadfully misinformed as to what "the standard" is down here.  MvC1 is only one game.  I only used to play XvsSF but I've abandoned that over the years.  Everybody and their dog and infinite that game to death and it's kind of annoying.  Still, I'm not knocking infinites in any form or fashion.  That's how the game is played. 

Be very careful however, with the small talk you engage yourself in.  You couldn't possibly expect to take on any and all comers if you've only been playing in one corner of the arcades you've been to.  If you dared to come out of your "safe haven" maybe then I'd feel we'd have a middle passage but as I see it, you're not more than an overzealous one trick pony who doesn't have much to be overzealous about in the first place.

And I do agree with you on that pseudo-intellectual thing.  I never claimed to be the smartest fool on here.  You can have that honour if it's what you wish, but this whole discussion leads me to lean the other way in my assessments of your thinking and abilities.

[Q]

Should I take that as and invitation? As you rightly said, MvC is only 1 game and I stated on this site and others reasons for such a combo. I'm aware that they're impractical. That has been established. As far as being an "overzealous one-trick pony" goes, as I said before... Don't sing it, BRING IT. If you're right, how else will I know? Indulge me. If you're wrong and I pwn you, it may be just the lesson you need. How do you know? I also play other games beside MvC so that's not even a question. That reminds me...

rb... Didn't I challenge you to SF Z3 already? Where were you? I was in St James waiting. I made it clear that I'll take you on in your element too but apparently you're more interested in chatterboxing than boxing.

Look... All I want is the opportunity to see whose point of view will be made manifest when it comes to actual combat. I heard that you guys are elite and I want to walk my talk and see how I stack up. I'm BORED when I go out but you're supposed to be levels above me. Well, come down from your Ivory towers and FIGHT.

It is said that you ppl are great ones... I want to see why. Do I have a place on this phantom Mt Olympus or not? If so, where is it? Do you deserve yours or not? I just want a real, actual, genuine fight for a change. *Consider the redundancies an expression of bored desperation.*

What say you now?

[rb]

I am the Great ONE! Can't you smell it ?
The Rock aint got nothing on me. Rambo Bhiswhanatsingh is the real great one!

shit talk aside I work monday to saturday 9 - 6pm, which means I won't be making the trek to POS to play in St. James. Plus I'd rather play on my own stick . Quickest way this'll happen is if you decide to get some console action going, otherwise it'll depend on some random saturday that I'm free.

[Q]

Sounds like a plan, rb. I was there just today. Based on all that has been said here so far by myself and others, I decided to go to St James (closest to work) and just fight hard. Just indiscriminate homicide... GENOCIDE. No tricks, no gentle teaching of the n00bs, just murder. As an added challenge, I chose the crappy sides on purpose. In all the games, over an hour of combat, I only lost once. On crappy sticks, I only lost once in an hour. I fought in Alpha 3, XmenvSF, MvC, SF EX2, SamSho IV and SF3. I lost once in XMen because of a crappy stick. That was it. That's how it is EVERYWHERE.

All BS aside, I'm SICK of the n00bs. Seriously, I just want some real challenges before I sign off of gaming on the whole. That's why I started uploading movies, MUGEN and otherwise.
I really think I can take you guys on... ALL of you. Even if I can't, better to drown amongst the wolves than to sail amongst the sheep. I'm FED UP. It's depressing. Even if at the end of it I'm just a sheep myself, how else will I know? I'll actually feel better. For now, I just feel like a big fish in a lil pond, as they say. There's just nobody else to fight. That's what I thought I found here... Something to work towards and challenges to meet.

It's just no fun anymore. Why do you think my "purist" philosophy was able to remain unchallenged? You don't have to really open it up to win out here anymore. I've literally spanned the country searching.

That's all, folks. I just want fights worth winning or losing for a change, no matter what game, where or who. Once I play it and I'm open, I'm there.

My # is in my profile, rb. Once I'm off (I work shift), I'll be there. "Scrub's" honour.

[Q]

BTW Imperial, I became aware of the programming aspect with my exposure to MUGEN and subsequent research. I'm aware that there's only so much you can do with set rules. Look past the letter and look at the spirit of what I said.

I'll only flame you if at the end of it all, we don't fight. That's all I want. The BS is just amusement. Half the fight is the HYPE.

I'm just so bored.