Marvel vs. Capcom 1 Sweatage! (NEW DATE! Saturday 10th January, 2009)

[New Era Outlaw]

Sadly, today's sweat was virtually called on account of NOOB.
Like an entire swarm of them.
The only worthwhile competition around was JD, and even he didn't stick around for long. Argh.
I just got fed up and left around 6-ish, or so.

By the way....did you know Roll's crouching FK can go under a lot of things?
Namely:

1) War Machine's crouching FP;
2) War Machine's low Shoulder Cannon;
3) Psylocke.

The last two you'd have to time, though.

[TriniXaeno]

lol, Q bringing the rhetoric hard core. I suspect he has the talant to back it up.

I want to see those upcoming battles yes.

good job hypin the scene.

[Q]

As selfish as it sounds, I'm glad I didn't miss much. Although I would've enjoyed NEO and JD's fighting company, I'm guessing the evening was generally more like a buffet than a hunt.

I've got something, NGW. I just want the chance to see if it's enough to slay some Titans.


I hope to be there the next time the battle horn is sounded. 'Til next sweat, gents.

[rb]

Q, if you're up for it, we could probably meet next sunday for some alpha 3 on console up at java. Same goes for ultima but alpha 2 and more accent core.

[Q]

Sure. I should be free. Just say what time. I'm not sure where Java is but I'll be there, better yet if it's along the East-West corridor. Where is it and what time? Should I refresh on my Vampire Saviour as well? What else would you like to fight in?

*Pardon my enthusiasm. It's been a while since I've had an actual appointment for battle.*

[Imperial_X]

Honestly, I'd have to tell you fellas good luck with that Alpha 3 garbage.  I don't know what any of you see in that game.

More than likely I should have a ps2 on Sunday should I swing through. 

My hands are cold but we'll see how things go.

Street Fighter 3: 3rd Strike
Guilty Gear: Accent Core
Street Fighter: Anniversary Edition
Capcom vs SNK 2
Tekken 5 (sadly)

On Saturday, should I be available, I'll take you on in every fighting game at the arcade in Trincity mall.  Best out of 3 each game good enough for you or is 1 good?  I'll let you know if I can make it by Thursday but Sunday should be spot on at java.  Be advised, bring your best.

BTW.  That "elite" crap needs to stop.  We're all noobs.

[rb]

I'll take you up on that CVS2 there I guess..

[New Era Outlaw]

BTW.  That "elite" crap needs to stop.  We're all noobs.

A lot of us are. That's why we've got to step up our game and stop doing crap, which was what I saw this Saturday.
I'm not looking down on anybody, or anything like that, but when people say and do things like:

-"It make no sense putting coins in there!"
- Mashing on buttons as if they were being attacked by a horny grizzly bear;
- Getting beaten on Perfect and jump in again for a repeat performance;
- Trying to mash for 'Combo Breakers' (That's Killer Instinct, geniuses...)


...is it really any wonder why we'd comprise mainly of noobs, and not people who actually think out their games?
That's why I made that guide up in 'Console Gaming'....for people to actually read my two cents as to how they could improve themselves as gamers.


P.S.: Said examples all happened at the sweat.

[Ultima]

Actually, there are some instances where I'll refuse to play. Fighting aganist Akuma in 2I for example. What's the point? Unless you're playing Ibuki, you don't really stand a chance unless the Akuma uis really bad, at which point... it just proves he's a bad Akuma. I also refuse to play against Zangief in HF because I play M.Bison, and GOD's M.Bison can't beat a Zangief who's awake.

Q:

I know it's short notice, but I can be in St.James today from about 5:30 PM to 7:00 PM. Let me know. Won't have any other time this week: My brother and family are in town, so my free time is extremely limited.

MvC1 in St. James is still on high damage and has suspect controls? I only played once about two months ago and I wrote it off.

Imperial:

Have you ever had to fought super turtle Chun-lis in A2? Let me put it this way: SFA3 is the way it is (barring, perhaps, the bizarre hit detection) because A2 was such a horrible HORRIBLE turtle fest. >:|

And a correction: YOU might be a "noob", but all of this stuff is ancient to me. Trinidad is still catching up to stuff I've seen/experience years ago.

[New Era Outlaw]

MvC1 in St. James is still on high damage and has suspect controls?

Yup. I played there as recently as December, and that's a perfect description of that machine.

Actually, there are some instances where I'll refuse to play. Fighting aganist Akuma in 2I for example. What's the point? Unless you're playing Ibuki, you don't really stand a chance unless the Akuma is really bad, at which point... it just proves he's a bad Akuma. I also refuse to play against Zangief in HF because I play M.Bison, and GOD's M.Bison can't beat a Zangief who's awake.

High-tiers are not invincible. Annoying, and remarkably difficult, but they're not unbeatable.


In any case, fellas, give me a heads up here.
When can we organise a proper sweat in MvC1 again?
Keep in mind that February/Early March is out for me due to my YGO tournament being held around that time, followed by me going on vacation afterwards.

[Ultima]

NEO:

No, they're not "invincible". But it really depends on the game, and who you play.

Akuma in Super Turbo, for example, is the King of all Broken characters. He beats EVERYONE. There is NO CHARACTER who can beat him. The only character who can beat Akuma is Akuma. This is no-disputable. PLay against an Akuma who knows what he's doing with anyone other that AKuma, and you will not win. Well, you might win one out of, say, 20 matches or soemthing. Maybe the Akuma player is fatigued and loses concentration or something. Maybe he gets hit by lightning. That;s pretty much the only circumstances in which you can win that match.

Akuma in Second Impact is only slightly below ST Akuma for sheer brokenness. Yeah, I've beaten Akumas before, but he's absolutely not worth fighting if Akuma even partially knows what he's doing (read: Divekick x N). I haven't had a single 2I match in the last 5 or 6 years that didn't devolve to someone picking Akuma on me to win at some point, at which point I just walk away. It proves nothing. The only character who can give Akuma trouble is Ibuki, and while I could practice for a couple months to get my Ibuki up to gear, the game isn't worth it to me to put in that much work, cause I still have to work a lot harder with Ibuki to win.

As for Gief vs. Bison, that's a 10-0 match in Gief's favour. Gief has to screw up about 1890712893798 times for Bison to win, while M.Bison can play absolutely perfectly and still die. Gief's not high tier (no.5 or 6 at best, though Bison IS the worst character in the game) It's just a character design mismatch.

[Q]

Unfortunately no, Ultima. I have the late shift this week and I don't get off until 7 (DAMMIT). In any case, as you and NEO said, MvC 1 in St James is indeed ridiculous with the damage and the board sux. This was as recent as Saturday.

As far as SF3: 2I goes, all I have to say is Akuma is a secret player for a reason. He's supposed to be that ridiculous. The only thing they didn't do was give him EX moves (powered up versions of normal moves). What makes it worse is that the Raging Demon is actually comboable. Still, I refuse to run from a fight. NEO expressed a sentiment I share concerning high tier chars. They may be pains where it hurts most but they have lifebars too and they bleed like any other player. It's improbable but not impossible.

rb, sure. Why not? I play it in South sometimes but it usually turns into a jab-fest. LP/LK right through... And still I fight. I prefer SvC Chaos but I'm game for CvS2.

Imperial, even if you're correct and we're all actually eating a big dish of n00bage with a side of denial, I REFUSE to be counted among the current crop of button-mashing headless chickens who think that  ownership of a console equates to being crowned king of the gaming universe and that anybody who can string more than 6 hits together is a "stinkman"... Again, this was as recent as Saturday.

You clearly haven't been in the field for a while.

[rb]

...you need to start playing some newer games man lol

lol @ stinkman, i wonder what would happen if I painted a fence or two...

[TriniXaeno]

lol @ an akuma getting struck by lightning in order to be defeated.

This thread is pure entertainment yes.

Yeah, that's one thing about Alpha 3, it is generally very anti-turtle.

[Ultima]

Q:

The "secret character" argument doesn't hold water. Secret characters aren't always broken or even good (see also: Roll, Orange Hulk). Akuma is sometimes the best character even when not a secret character (SFA3). It really depends on the game.

"Improbably not impossible" is also a bit of a wash. Nothing is "impossible", but there are some matches you can't win without a skill gap. And against some characters, or in certain matches, you can win only with a GIGANTIC skill gap. I'm just a bit more aware of these gaps than most people here, and choose not to waste my time accordingly.

re: St.James

I play SFA3 as well, BTW (not very good and I haven't played in years, but eh; I can probably still scrub out with X-Rolento). We can also play that as well. The next time I'd be available... crap, Saturday 2:00 PM to 4:00 PM maybe? Maybe Friday? Friday's have become very frustrating of late; either I can play games/go liming, OR I can have have sex with see my wife, but not both. >:|

Also:

Imperial, even if you're correct and we're all actually eating a big dish of n00bage with a side of denial, I REFUSE to be counted among the current crop of button-mashing headless chickens who think that  ownership of a console equates to being crowned king of the gaming universe and that anybody who can string more than 6 hits together is a "stinkman"...

LOl, WUT. Who was talking about any of this? We're just not going to give you props for 9 year old combos that aren't worth doing. Congrats if you discovered them on your own and all, but... no. No one cares if you can do impractical stuff (unless you're going for really impressive stuff, or can just break the game to pieces; see also Mike Z, NKI) unless you can win with it.

While on this note, no one really cares if you discover stuff on your own or if you parrot and repeat stuff. YOU might care, but no one else does. All that matters is results.

Frankly, if you've been dominating with *Ryu*, I'm inclined to believe you're playing a bunch of scrubs and somehow avoided actual good players; I know *I've* been to Long Circular (many times), Colsort Mall (sporadically while it was open) and Night Raiders (occasionally, mostly in first half of 2004 when I worked nearby), and I never met anyone who was especially good at the game. Some surprisingly good Spider-Mans, some average Striders, but that's about it. Nothing that wouldn't have been destroyed in a random MvC1 tournament in the US in its heydey.

NEO and JD are the only notable players I've seen at the game in Trinidad, and for different reasons; NEO actually makes a rubbish team work (though upon further analysis, it's mainly that NEO beasts with Megaman; NEO's is not even the best Megaman I've ever seen, actually, but I'm too out of practice to do much about it right now, so that's unlikely to change soon) and JD for being the only person who plays the best team in the game (DWM) regularly, which makes him dangerous by default.

But hey, I could be wrong. Maybe you are some God with Ryu and I just missed you repeatedly. Who do you play in the other games?


rb:

I think much worse that Paint the Fence is Blanka going all Pikachu on you. You at least have to get hit by something before you have to worry about Paint the Fence. >:|

(God, I hate CvS2).



EDIT: Fixed the [strike] tag and removed the double post.

[Ultima]

rb:

I think much worse that Paint the Fence is Blanka going all Pikachu on you. You at least have to get hit by something before you have to worry about Paint the Fence. >:|

(God, I hate CvS2).

[rb]

that also depends if the blanka can RC at all....

[Ultima]

I can do neither.

[New Era Outlaw]

Imperial, even if you're correct and we're all actually eating a big dish of n00bage with a side of denial, I REFUSE to be counted among the current crop of button-mashing headless chickens who think that  ownership of a console equates to being crowned king of the gaming universe and that anybody who can string more than 6 hits together is a "stinkman"...

LOl, WUT. Who was talking about any of this?

Actually, Q was responding to this:

BTW.  That "elite" crap needs to stop.  We're all noobs.

We were pretty much done discussing the 'original combos' matter, anyway.

Frankly, if you've been dominating with *Ryu*, I'm inclined to believe you're playing a bunch of scrubs and somehow avoided actual good players; I know *I've* been to Long Circular (many times), Colsort Mall (sporadically while it was open) and Night Raiders (occasionally, mostly in first half of 2004 when I worked nearby), and I never met anyone who was especially good at the game. Some surprisingly good Spider-Mans, some average Striders, but that's about it. Nothing that wouldn't have been destroyed in a random Mvc2 tournament in the US in its heydey.

Actually, it's possible to actually dominate a match with Ryu, but it's tricky and you really have to know what you're doing.
I'm of the opinion that the MSHvsSF version of Ryu is the best one out of the whole series, in any case, but MvC Ryu can hold his own...somewhat. Picturing him against a seasoned Wolverine or Strider Hiryu....eh. To date, I have really yet to see anyone play Ryu and cause grief except for the CPU, which is sheer tears especially on Stage 6 or 7.


On another note, Night Raiders and Consort Mall were also my old hangouts, more Consort Mall than anything because the competition there was the best you'd get in Port of Spain. It's a shame those damn sprangers that hung out there had to ruin it for everybody (Thanks a LOT, you no good theiving f**kers.)

Ultima, I don't suppose you remember the old crew?
I remember people like Chinee, Gambit, David, Daniel, Plugs (now known as Analyst) and even Mengsk used to come there.
Man, what I wouldn't give to face off against them again....AND give them an arse whopping they'll never soon forget.

[Ultima]

NEO:

Those aren't "noobs". They're just people hitting buttons. They don't even exist as far as I'm concerned.

"Dominate" and "Ryu" don't really belong in the same sentence. You can do okay with Ryu, but barring an enormous skill gap (in which case. you can dominate with anybody), he can be overwhelmed by sheer power. He can't stop any of the top tier nor second tier really. Sure, he might be able to hang with likes of Captain Nazi Killer, CapCom and Hulk, but that's about it really.

The best Ryu is XSF Ver 2.0 Ryu with the hilariously broken infinites. But in terms of overall tier placing, I agree that MSF Ryu is the best. I have Ryu top 5 in MSF (though no higher than 5).

As for the Crew, sorry, don't know those folks by name, though it's possible I've seen/played them. I've been going to arcades for years and have never known anyone, by either name nor nickname, aside from the SUPER OG players that I'm sure are long before the time of any of you. Guys like Kitt, Redman, Sharkee. Green Corner and Fun House (originally on St. Vincent Street and then later in St. James). I'm talking 1991-1993 here.