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Re: "G92" GeForce 9800 GTX Rumored Specs
« Reply #20 on: August 30, 2007, 11:49:04 AM »
G92 to launch on November 12th  : http://www.digitimes.com/mobos/a20070829PD216.html

ATI 2950 Pro to launch in December, same performance as 2900xt, 199-249 price : http://www.techpowerup.com/?37988


Rumours of a 2950 XT bieng released to compete with Nvidia on the high end as well...

Me.. I'm waiting till next year to get a Q6600 and  a new video card . 

And winnie told me  i was going to have to wait 2 years to get 8800gtx speed  for $200ish : P ,

 I bet by mid 2008 any remaining 8800GTX will be going for 200-250 USD .
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Re: "G92" GeForce 9800 GTX Rumored Specs
« Reply #21 on: August 30, 2007, 08:03:57 PM »
Honestly, which games that you play stress your 8800gts or above, I cant think of one and i acquire almost anything that comes out.

nVidia in my opinion is over doing with these releases, I mean, every 6 months or so i have to upgrade. I thought that the 9 series wouldn't
be out until mid next year given ATi inability to match the 8800 ultra's performance.

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Re: "G92" GeForce 9800 GTX Rumored Specs
« Reply #22 on: August 30, 2007, 08:51:14 PM »
 you don't ' have ' to  upgrade : P   ,  I still have an X1800xt which will play Bioshock on high settings.


  New video card series every year is a rule of thumb , even if ATI can't compete , why slack off? Murder them with more powerful cards !
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Re: "G92" GeForce 9800 GTX Rumored Specs
« Reply #23 on: August 30, 2007, 09:01:33 PM »
Honestly, which games that you play stress your 8800gts or above, I cant think of one and i acquire almost anything that comes out.

nVidia in my opinion is over doing with these releases, I mean, every 6 months or so i have to upgrade. I thought that the 9 series wouldn't
be out until mid next year given ATi inability to match the 8800 ultra's performance.

nVidia, take a break

You know, up to not too long ago I had the same thinking, but now in retrospect, I think its better this way. With Nvidia releasing more powerful cards, it drives DAAMIT to get off their @sses and do something better. In the end we get more powerful systems at competitive prices. Firstly, Nvidia's business plan is one that releases new tech every single year without fail...we're lucky they dont release new cards or refreshes every 6 months!!! also, with more powerful tech, devs get to code more complicated and graphically improved games which will just serve to drive gaming forward. I say bring on the cards man.
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Re: "G92" GeForce 9800 GTX Rumored Specs
« Reply #24 on: August 30, 2007, 09:02:22 PM »
I totally agree.  Its only worth upgrading your video-card if the one you're upgrading to is at least 3 times more
powerful than the one you're currently using.

I'm waiting patiently to see what the performance of the 9800 GTS will be like.  If the performance difference
is like that which exists between the 7900 and 8800 series, then hell yeah I'm buying it.
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Re: "G92" GeForce 9800 GTX Rumored Specs
« Reply #25 on: August 30, 2007, 09:29:48 PM »
I'm waiting patiently to see what the performance of the 9800 GTS will be like.  If the performance difference
is like that which exists between the 7900 and 8800 series, then hell yeah I'm buying it.

And thats the problem. Lets look at the performance difference between all the series starting from fx/5 straight up to the 8.
They always release really good cards.

Now it may seem like a wierd argument, you know, arguing against a great product(who knows after dealing with tstt all these years)
but it doesn't seem like the gaming market could keep up with nvidia. There aren't any titles that can stress these cards and yet still a new
more powerfull card comes out.

And developers are really slacking on pc games lately.  I am a tech man, i really like solid hardware and it feels to me that i must own it. Up until my 7900gt gave out on me(t&tec power surge) i wasn't thinking of buying a new card. But tell me something my fellow gearheads. When every year, nVidia comes out boasting a card with twice the performance of what you thought was a really good graphics card, do you not feel as an inferior gamer <-- in terms of system power.

Thats how they make me feel. Everytime i finally save up to get up there, they do this. I honestly thought this 8 series will be there reigning supreme for a while.

Anywho, enough bitching, its technology and we have to move foward, right.
   

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Re: "G92" GeForce 9800 GTX Rumored Specs
« Reply #26 on: August 30, 2007, 09:59:06 PM »
There probably are'nt much games that take advantage of the power of these cards out right now, but just take a look at what's coming! And then there's Crysis (could quite possibly be the greates FPS of all time, if not THE best game of all time, Far Cry 2 and all the rest. Sure the 8800's will run them, but to get the uberness out of these games, wouldnt you like to have a card that can do it? I know I would.

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Re: "G92" GeForce 9800 GTX Rumored Specs
« Reply #27 on: August 30, 2007, 10:09:15 PM »
...and this is the eternal conundrum that us PC gamers find ourselves in every 9 months or so.
When your games work flawlessly though, its worth it.
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Re: "G92" GeForce 9800 GTX Rumored Specs
« Reply #28 on: August 30, 2007, 10:30:58 PM »
with all the beauty that there is in crysis, i still think the 8800 will run it flawlessly.

we'll just wait and see
   

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Re: "G92" GeForce 9800 GTX Rumored Specs
« Reply #29 on: August 30, 2007, 10:36:21 PM »
Ill wait till Crysis and GoW release before i upgrade my pc again :) i want to know that im not gonna upgrade again for a while.
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Re: "G92" GeForce 9800 GTX Rumored Specs
« Reply #30 on: August 30, 2007, 10:38:03 PM »
I thought that now that i had an 8800 I would not have to upgrade anytime soon myself.

If anything I'll skip the 9 series all together and purchase a second 8800 and sli
   

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Re: "G92" GeForce 9800 GTX Rumored Specs
« Reply #31 on: August 30, 2007, 10:48:57 PM »
I'll advise against SLI...you're paying double the amount for ~ 50% more power. Since next gen cards are supposed to be around twice as fast as current gen, it makes more financial sense to go that route. Besides, when you're ready to upgrade, you'll have two cards to get rid of instead of one.

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Re: "G92" GeForce 9800 GTX Rumored Specs
« Reply #32 on: August 30, 2007, 11:13:56 PM »
you make a good point unknown.

so now i'm back to where i started
   

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Re: "G92" GeForce 9800 GTX Rumored Specs
« Reply #33 on: September 07, 2007, 10:58:52 AM »
Hmm... so it seems G92 may not be that UBER part everyone is waiting on.. but rather a mainstream card....
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November 3D War brings ATI and Nvidia siblings

G92 versus RV570 racing target same goal: 10K 3DMark06

By Theo Valich: Friday 07 September 2007, 08:05
NOVEMBER WILL BE the slaughter place between ATI and Nvidia once again, and the swords will go into fiery battle. This time, the performance difference will be minimal, since both chips are targeting the very same price point, and offering very similar, if not identical features.

Certain Graphzilla minions kept on hyping the G92 as the best thing since sliced bread and a new performance leader, while G92 is now marking a mainstream chip. Mainstream chip that targets 8800GTX in 3DMark06. Performance is estimated at above 9500 3DMarks (2006, not 2005), depending on name of the partner that Nvidia is talking too. We received multitude of different numbers (all very similar), and Nvidia hopes that this policy will get the leaks out. Guys, rather keep the promises your sales reps are telling partners. They're all operating on razor-sharp margins anyway.

The name of the G92_290 chip will be the GeForce 8700 GT/GTS, while RV670 should come to market as Radeon HD 2700GT/XT. Fastest G92 board is being developed under codename P393A01, and it will retail for 249 (we expect overclocked versions to be priced at 279 and 289 USD), and cheapest variants will go for 199-229 USD.

In short, G92 is simply half a G80, 65nm manufactured chip sitting on a regular 33x33mm BGA packaging, with a lot of things happening under the hood. This is not just your cut-down G80 chip, but rather a combination of higher-clocked part (over 800 MHz), and higher fill-rate than 8800GTS, even though the number of shader units is lower. Nvidia did not cut the number of ROP units, so expect hellish pixel and Texel fill-rate. RV670 took the same receipt as G92 compared to G80: cut the number of R600 units in half and you get RV670. 160 Superscalar shaders consisted out of 32 fatties and 128 regular scalars, blazing high GPU clock... like we said, RV670/G92 are siblings.

Both chips are gunning for 512MB GDDR3 memory by Qimonda. Part number for reference boards on both sides call for 1.0ns ones (new HYB chips), which surprised us at best. We did not expect that development of boards is like seeing siblings develop, but carrying different hearts. Both are manufactured at the same place, and same manufacturing process, though.

Have you had any doubt, DAAMIT is pitching for very same performance that Nvidia is achieving. 10.000 3DMarks is the whole grail, but 9500 should be doable. Performance estimates were based with Kentsfield machine, so this may change if you overclock the CPU at above 3.0 GHz level (QX6800 works at 2.93 GHz).

What is the codename of NV55 now (one that was alleged to us to be the G92 - with nice pictures of a 2-slot monster), remains to be seen. All we know is that this chip will go head to head against R680, both due to be released in Q1 2008. It will be interesting to see what will be the key amount of memory in January - R680 with 512/1024/2048 versus G80 refresh with 768 or 1536 MB. If Qimonda can deliver GDDR5, even a memory type could change, from current Samsung GDDR4 liebling.

Funny how cycle is the same, yet different. We would only like to know will Nvidia reset to ATI numbers once they reach 10000 mark after the GeForce name. So far, it is funny to see original 8800 (ATi FireGL, still sitting in my Museum) and compare it to today's 8800. µ

P.S. Nvidia is spotting S/PDIF connector on the reference boards, meaning DVI Audio or HDMI adapter is quite a valuable feature to have. DisplayPort is also mucho importando, but not on the RV670 nor G92 reference boards. µ

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Re: "G92" GeForce 9800 GTX Rumored Specs
« Reply #34 on: September 07, 2007, 11:44:42 AM »
So let me get this straight...the next batch of cards will be LESS POWERFUL than the ones we already have? WTF??????....I mean, this is another Inquirer story so....but wat the hell. Less powerful? Where are the high performance cards. This story have to be another load.

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Re: "G92" GeForce 9800 GTX Rumored Specs
« Reply #35 on: September 07, 2007, 11:46:37 AM »
IF this card does come out as expected, AND is as powerful as claimed (i'm betting it's not, but i've become a negative nancy over tech)

Anyone planning to upgrade to this from a 9800 ;)
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Re: "G92" GeForce 9800 GTX Rumored Specs
« Reply #36 on: September 07, 2007, 11:49:03 AM »
So let me get this straight...the next batch of cards will be LESS POWERFUL than the ones we already have? WTF??????....I mean, this is another Inquirer story so....but wat the hell. Less powerful? Where are the high performance cards. This story have to be another load.
Yuh know i've seen TONNES of article from Inquirer come to fruition btw... more than I can count, so whilst I do take alot of what they say with a pinch of salt, the fact that i've seen so many of their articles turn out to be true i'd have to say i give them the benefit of the doubt. This is The Inquirer the online site NOT the Enquirer the tabloid magazine.

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Re: "G92" GeForce 9800 GTX Rumored Specs
« Reply #37 on: September 07, 2007, 12:25:16 PM »
So let me get this straight...the next batch of cards will be LESS POWERFUL than the ones we already have? WTF??????....I mean, this is another Inquirer story so....but wat the hell. Less powerful? Where are the high performance cards. This story have to be another load.
Yuh know i've seen TONNES of article from Inquirer come to fruition btw... more than I can count, so whilst I do take alot of what they say with a pinch of salt, the fact that i've seen so many of their articles turn out to be true i'd have to say i give them the benefit of the doubt. This is The Inquirer the online site NOT the Enquirer the tabloid magazine.

Fair enough...so I did a bit of reading, and the general concensus is that the November batch (read 8700gt/gts) of cards are set to fit in the performance gap that exists between 8600 and 8800gts, with the 8700gts approaching the power of the 8800. They are said to support pci-e 2.0, but I guess that spec is mainly academc since the card wouldnt be as powerful as its older brother. There also seems to be a possibility that the uber parts may surface some time in early 2008. I dont really think that's likely because I haven't seen NV release cards early in the year like that, but I guess that anything's possible.

Now if this turns out to be true, that's good news. It means that current 8800gts/gtx owners dont have to upgrade right away :yay: :banana:

http://www.hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1220372
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Re: "G92" GeForce 9800 GTX Rumored Specs
« Reply #38 on: September 07, 2007, 03:39:43 PM »
 I read somewhere that the 'G90' is the replacement for the 8800GTX  , the G92 the mid range card.

And no , the 8800gtx people never had to upgrade , its just a minor hardware refresh .


The g90 should be twice as fast as the g92.. 20 000 3dmark 06?
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Re: "G92" GeForce 9800 GTX Rumored Specs
« Reply #39 on: September 07, 2007, 03:59:07 PM »
The g90 should be twice as fast as the g92.. 20 000 3dmark 06?
Doubtful... that would require quite alot of engineering for a line refresh... but hey yuh never know... I would suspect more like 15k single card perhaps... with a good quad core CPU... time will tell, Q1 08...

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