Sony and Immersion end Dispute... Rumble Coming Soon?

[TheApprentice]

Today (March 1st 2007) marks the day of peace between Sony and Immersion. Immersion has agreed to drop the patent lawsuit over the unlawful incorporation of their rumble technology in the Sony PS2 Dualshock controller. Both companies have agreed to explore the use of Immersion rumble technology into Sony PlayStation products.

For those that do not know the uneasy history between Sony and Immersion, it all started when Immersion claimed Sony and Microsoft had infringed upon their patented rumble technology for use in game controllers. In 2002, Immersion brought Microsoft and Sony to court over the patent infringements. Microsoft receded early from the case by settling the dispute out of court, where Sony opted to continue to battle the lawsuit. By 2006, Sony had lost the case and appealed it twice, each time found guilty of infringing upon Immersion's patents. However, Sony had one more chance to appeal the case before having to pay Immersion $90 million in damages. Sony announced at E3 '06 it would not be incorporating the rumble feature into the new PS3 SIXAXIS controller. Which leads us up to today where both parties have come to a mutual agreement.

What's interesting about this agreement is that if Immersion rumble technology is to be incorporated into PlayStation products, would that imply the use of rumble in the PS3 SIXAXIS? Immersion had previously stated that its rumble technology would not interfere with Sony's motion sensing technology, so the idea is definitely fathomable. However, Sony has time and time again stated that it would not be using rumble in the PS3 SIXAXIS. Coincidently, this agreement comes just short of a week before PS3 owners will supposedly become "very happy" on the 7th, (Sony is going to announce cool stuff coming to ps3) according to the Game Developers Conference director Jamil Moledina. Could rumble in the SIXAXIS be the announcement Moledina is referring to or could it be something totally different? Either way, it's good to see that Immersion and Sony are finally on good terms.

[Synchronomyst]

Guess now Sony is going to have to justify all those BS comments about intentionally leaving out rumble features etc.
Stupid of them to have to lose 3 court cases though, their lawyers must have collected a good chunk for that, shows exactly what type of integrity Sony has... none!

I'm going to have to stop you, Laertes. You're not allowed to used "sony" and "integrity" in ther same sentence.


I'm going to have to write you a ticket.

[vivman1107]

Well, I guess if they do add rumble to the SixAxis, they might have to do an exchange for all the people with existing controllers. Those 3 people should be a wee bit happier, I think.  ;-)

[TheApprentice]

I doubt they'll exchange...

INfact I'm like 100% sure...

Cuz some people actually prefer the controller not having rumble...
Another reason is becuz  according to some people it will drain battery life too fast...

They would just release the new controllers to buy... just like with ps1 where the first controller didn;t have rumble and then they introduced it later on..and u had to go buyy them...



A while's back, I think immersion had unveiled the next-gen rumble!
Where the controller will give force feedback...

Meaning, say you're playing a flight sim, and u pull back on the sixaxis, it will actually push forward/downwards...emulating air resistance...
In shooters when u switch weapons, the controller will emulate the actual weight of the weapon using the rumble, so u know what ur holding.

Also how the gun fires, that is how hard or soft.. the controller will respond according to that...


If Sony goes with this... I think we'll see the death of the 360 and Wii very soon

[Synchronomyst]

If Sony goes with this... I think we'll see the death of the 360 and Wii very soon

$599 US DOLLARS!

[TheApprentice]

thats the price for the best

if u view the ps3 from a technical aspect...

The cell broadband engine, 8 cores @ 3.2 ghz

^that alone is worth more than 599...

[Synchronomyst]

I'm not denying what it's -costs- from a technical standpoint. However, the fact reamins it's too much for too little when there's a very similar console on the market currently providing the same (and more in terms of a larger and seemingly library) for less of a price. System specs mean nothing to the end user gamer on a console other than fancy marketing jargon, if anything at all. Unless you're a developer it's irrelevant. So yes...it does cost more than the sale price. So does the 360, after all. It's just not worth it.

...and as far as I can remember from interviews...most devlopers while acknowledging that the cell is powerful, state that it's not amazingly more so than the 360's architecture and that it ultimately comes down to better programming, which the cell seems to convolute.


so...as I was saying...



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[TheApprentice]

^lol....ok....



Sony still has the bigger library..stemming back to ps2

PS3's library will expand as well... 360 just has the initial edge due to a whole year on the market....
PS3 is still young....

and in terms of the cell being hard to program for... well yea i back the developers for the comments they''re making.... but sooner or later... they're gonna understand it....and we'll see great titles!

But avoiding any console argument that I'm feddup of....

We'll see who wins in the long run...

The 360 is an awesome machine... But due to my loyalty to playstation back to ps1...
that is ps1, ps2, psp... it was only normal to get ps3

[TheApprentice]

yea it wouldn't stop 360 owners.. of course...

but it would have an impact on the market... just like the wiimote...

yea..i know the ps2 library has no value to ps3...but it just shows sony is still the brand leader in gaming consoles...

Besides..I believe PS2's still outselling all consoles... and with every console sold... that equal more sales of ps2 games...

[shivadee]

The rumble feature is something that should have been implimented since the system was released.
Its good to see supporters of the system and such.

Personally even after working for SCEA Santa Monica in Analysis and Advisement for a year I still dont have it. I think they are not listening to their audience or their developers and leaving them in the dark and it is frustrating them. I think that is the reason they are loosing exclusivity. I also believe they are forcing their fans to move from gamers who watch movies to movie watchers who play games....i believe their entire target niche is way off and wrong.. Whatever the reason is SONY knows they have until the end of this year to get back up and running or they are sinking..and this is VERY real.

As of August ill be in Vancouver working in Production Management with EA. Going to hit them some plan@ss and get them out of this generic North American thinking thing.

[vivman1107]

Have any stats to show that the PS2 is 'outselling' all other consoles?... Didn't think so.

Ask and ye shall receive ...

http://www.iht.com/articles/2007/01/12/business/game.php

Ok, so that was for the holidays. This is a more up to date picture and it seems we have a new sales leader. The torch has officially been passed.

http://www.siliconvalley.com/mld/siliconvalley/business/technology/16754108.htm

[TheApprentice]

It was bound to happen...
hehe

Aye fellaz..when I posted this topic My intention was not arguing with allyuh..

shivadee i saw big post before u edited and I didn't ask for that...

It too early to decide who gonna be the leader...
Wayyyy to early... give it a next 3yrs to see a clear winner...

As of now..me being a ps3 owner...
I would just be happy to have next gen rumble

[shivadee]

It was bound to happen...
hehe

Aye fellaz..when I posted this topic My intention was not arguing with allyuh..

shivadee i saw big post before u edited and I didn't ask for that...

It too early to decide who gonna be the leader...
Wayyyy to early... give it a next 3yrs to see a clear winner...

As of now..me being a ps3 owner...
I would just be happy to have next gen rumble

i took it down because i thought it was too harsh. I decided to tone it down and not voice an opinion like that. Again after rereading what you wrote i decided not to lash out at you....your opinions are fair and just. Ill save those opinions for someone that deserves it.

PS2 will sell...its a known and safe choice. To add to that christmas time when ppl couldnt find a PS3 they bought a PS2....fair enough..and nothing wrong with that. Its also the cheapest of all the consoles except the Gamecube.

[TheApprentice]

cool..glad we on good terms then...

I not relly into the whole arguing thing...
time will tell in the console war...thats all..

[shivadee]

time will tell indeed.
However im hired because were supposed to determine what is to happen beforehand as best as possible. Saving money, making money and investing money. The actions these companies make determines it. So essentially im a full on arguer....because.....well its essentially my job. How i posted that night is exactly how i speak to my coworkers and sometimes my superiorsl. Straight up, no BS and all in your face and i use alllot of logic...its not to say im mean, but to get a point accross in the industry its important you not only walk the walk but talk the talk. Its very cuthroat so to speak, you lose your job if you fall short, and you always have to be on the ball and know stay up to date. But i argue points and validity with management....not gamers - its not necessary for me to speak to them like that.

[TheApprentice]

lol..yea

Well straight up and forward..no biases...

yea..keep up de work!

[Kenji]

The only thing is that, for the people who don't know you shivadee, it could sometime fell pretty deliberate and personal, not saying that  u mean to do that, it could just be misinterpreted

[shivadee]

is no scene. Right now i do love the XBOX  360....but honestly under no circumstances is a US company to take over the videogame market. Microsoft is doing the right thing at the right time.......Nintendo has come like a shot in the dark. i REALLY hope SONY can pull themselves together.
They are not listening to their Advisors or analysts...they have their own plan. Its up to them if it works now. I really hope it does, I want a Japanese company (sony or nintendo) ontop at all times. SImply because of the way Americans think....they hype and dont deliver...they specialize in marketing the product and not delivering the product.
The Japanese work ethic is very different and i hope SONY's plan will be a breath of fresh air to the industry once more like the Wii is.

[shivadee]

emo :/

[Qloxx]

Personally i think that it's time to move away from rumble and more towards force feedback. In that ohhh bumpy roads my controller vibrates wow, how about ohhh bumpy roads the blasted car pulling to one side.

A while's back, I think immersion had unveiled the next-gen rumble!
Where the controller will give force feedback...

Meaning, say you're playing a flight sim, and u pull back on the sixaxis, it will actually push forward/downwards...emulating air resistance...
In shooters when u switch weapons, the controller will emulate the actual weight of the weapon using the rumble, so u know what ur holding.

Also how the gun fires, that is how hard or soft.. the controller will respond according to that...


If Sony goes with this... I think we'll see the death of the 360 and Wii very soon

You know force feedback on the ps3 controller will be the S#!t , Immagine playing a rally game and going over a hump and messing up your shocks on the left side and having to compensate bu tilting the controller.