THE NARUTO SHIPPUUDEN THREAD OMG!!!

[phoenix31tt]

from what i got...

naruto's "normal" chakra is 4 times that of kakashi...
what Jiraiya was tryin to explain however is that naruto cannot fully surpress all the kyuubi's chakra, and whatever he cant suppress is what mixes with naruto's chakra... so is not to say the kyuubi chakra act as a sort of weight training for naruto's.. is just that naruto's chakra mixes with whatever kyuubi chakra he cant suppress... what that would also suggest is as naruto's natural chakra supplies enhance.. less and less of the kyuubi's will be mixing with his...

this is what i keep getting from research...

[Crixx_Creww]

that whole chakura thing, i honestly forgot to look, ill try and find it this weekend, but it was early but i distinctly remember perverted molestator jiraiya saying it.
The madara thing iam confused bout though, is that he stole kyuubi, and the 4th and his wife die fighting him and sealing kyuubi.. then he waits about 8 or 9 years to launch that uchiha attack...if he was still strong enough to do that after fighting the 4th, why didnt he just wipe out konoha one time...
meh we shall see.

Naruto did inherit some amazing genes, which in naruto world is a big deal, usual children with exceptional parents , in their world, turn out to be naturally exceptional.. but naruto is the exception to that exceptional rule. Hes hot mess.
Jiraiya did also say that his lack of ability to control his chakura properly, like sakura was doing, was because the seal was breaking down and kyuubi's chakura was leaking into his and it was the different colour chakura to his, so he couldnt control it. He did also say that because naruto had to subconciously surpress the massive kyuubi chakura with his own chakura, his own blue chakura pool grew as a result.

At that early stage even sasuke had a larger than normal chakura pool according to kakashi and that wasnt cause of surpressing no monster
that was genes and gumption, from being a hardmatic ultra ninja with a sicko heritage to live up to.
Neji has an underratedly large chakura pool as well, and we know thas genes and bad mind that allows him to do that.
Basically, the bad asses of their generation had unusuall chakura pools.

[phoenix31tt]

sigh.. kakashi also said naruto's 'natural' i.e. chakra without d fox mix.. chakra is 4 times his.. and no where i heard jiraiya saying it grew as a result (i will stand corrected if u find d manga but i looked).. but the mixing thing is true (as per manga).. which is why naruto cant control it..
sasuke also had trouble controlling his chakra as well.. and his trouble wasnt as a result of anyting interupting his natural chakra

[Q]

I'm no big Naruto fan but from what I can remember, Sasuke was riding his family's coattails for a long time... Until Rock Lee put some pengaleng on dat and told him that he "relies on his natural abilities" while Rock "Bruce" Lee (Yes, I call him that) has had to train his ass and his mama's off.

I don't know if any of the more knowledgeable among you can substantiate this but it seems to me that had it not been for the Sharingan dojutsu, pedophile Orochimaru who collects little boys, a big brother like Itachi who made it his business to push him and some SERIOUS mommy issues, Sasuke would be utterly worthless.

That's just how it looks to me, idk. o_O

[Crixx_Creww]

your right
your no big naruto fan

[UltimateGamer]

lol @ crixx. very funny indeed.

I cyar believe allyuh still arguing nah. Sasuke was a great ninja as far as i am concern. Heck he was number when he graduated from the academy and he didn't even have his doujutsu yet. Even now, sasuke is an uber nin. Crixx has a reason to be a fanboy, the man dread! I mean, he has a wicked bad doujutsu, he was trained by oro (with nightly rape sessions i suppose, that will explain his hostility and hate), he acquired mangekyo which is one real bad tech (well multiple bad techs), and he now get ems. It doh have any disputes to sasuke's uberness!!!

Is just dat naruto will cut he ass now, because though sasuke was always a great ninja, that is who naruto always wanted to reach to. And as far as i concern, he reached and surpassed him when he learned sage mode. Up until that point, sasuke would have still kicked his ass. I doh give crixx wrong in anyway for being a sasuke fanboy. I hope he keeps trying to prove sasuke is greater than naruto. Is just to see the look on his face when they finally face off and naruto walks away victorious (probably using talk no jutsu .. jk)!

[phoenix31tt]

gosh we not startin up ah argument about who better or nun u know..

we jus tryna to find the manga where ero-sennin tell naruto his chakra grew cuz of the fox...

i was jus pokin fun with that sasuke bit... sum1 should move these posts to the general naruto thread doh.. may have spoilers that not in shipuuden yet

[Crixx_Creww]

finnaly face off again you mean.. and your hoping he doesnt lose.. again.
I would love to know how hes going to defeat sasuke's increased use of genjutsu
granted they decided to nullify sasuke's ability to control kyuubi in naruto and kick his ass without kyuubi by doing the sage thingy + this wildness tehy doing poor kyuubi now

but ems is a major obstacle for naruto
and he cant rely on gigantic rasengan's against sasuke, cause he will never hit him with one.

but maybe daddy will show back up

[W1nTry]

I think Naruto's major obstacle as far as the ems goes is genjutsu, he's NEVER been good at dispelling it and has shown to be susceptible to it on multiple occasions. Also unlike the 8 tails, I doubt naruto will have a symbiotic relationship with the kyubi and he'll 'watch his back' when he get hit with genjutsu as 8 tails did when he took sasuke to school.
Once he overcomes that particular obstacle the amateratsu and susanoo are probably combat-able with use of sage AND kyubi chakra. Think of it this way, Naruto is like a TANK, DPS and Healer all in one, sasuke is a DPS and up till he lost the Orophile genes was also a healer. So in effect Once naruto can draw the fight out, sasuke will eventually have to retreat or will be defeated. In a battle of attrition Naruto will win.

[phoenix31tt]

guys allyuh puttin spoilers in the shippuuden thread... lol.. move it to the all purpose thread plz

[UltimateGamer]

yeah we should stop and move over to the all purpose... sorry for the spoilerz non manga peeps

[TrinireturnofGamez]

I think Naruto's major obstacle as far as the ems goes is genjutsu, he's NEVER been good at dispelling it and has shown to be susceptible to it on multiple occasions. Also unlike the 8 tails, I doubt naruto will have a symbiotic relationship with the kyubi and he'll 'watch his back' when he get hit with genjutsu as 8 tails did when he took sasuke to school.
Once he overcomes that particular obstacle the amateratsu and susanoo are probably combat-able with use of sage AND kyubi chakra. Think of it this way, Naruto is like a TANK, DPS and Healer all in one, sasuke is a DPS and up till he lost the Orophile genes was also a healer. So in effect Once naruto can draw the fight out, sasuke will eventually have to retreat or will be defeated. In a battle of attrition Naruto will win.

remember though he got a gift from Itachi which has not yet been revealed fully , so he may just be immune to Sasuke's genjustsu , especially since he's using Itachi's own eyes..

[Shinsoo]

My post never came through. What i was saying there is a different between who WOULD win and who WILL win . No i will not start this post with .. the name of the show is naruto lol .
Instead I have to remind that what ever ending kishimoto writes he will have to create a fight that suits. He wont be able to please fanboys on both sides. I think kishi going to unleash some surprising bs lol. And its going to be well crafted bs but bs nontheless .

Now if however they were to fight now or even in the future. Let me start this with I am a bigger naruto fan . First of all rate of growth between the 2 characters well sasuke shot forward a few times but naruto's potential and constant growth is much bigger than sasuke especially when u think about the fox. Naruto currently have more tricks but in a fight tbh sasuke's speed , precise assasin like moves . Well i will put it like this ... in a short fight naruto loss one time. Long fight - name of show is naruto(naruto had more time for more tricks)

[UltimateGamer]

My post never came through. What i was saying there is a different between who WOULD win and who WILL win . No i will not start this post with .. the name of the show is naruto lol .
Instead I have to remind that what ever ending kishimoto writes he will have to create a fight that suits. He wont be able to please fanboys on both sides. I think kishi going to unleash some surprising bs lol. And its going to be well crafted bs but bs nontheless .

Now if however they were to fight now or even in the future. Let me start this with I am a bigger naruto fan . First of all rate of growth between the 2 characters well sasuke shot forward a few times but naruto's potential and constant growth is much bigger than sasuke especially when u think about the fox. Naruto currently have more tricks but in a fight tbh sasuke's speed, precise assasin like moves . Well i will put it like this ... in a short fight naruto loss one time. Long fight - name of show is naruto(naruto had more time for more tricks)

ahem

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/484/16-17/

what speed

[Shinsoo]

lol that manga chapter dont count . The man now finish rip through kages encorporated AND danzo lol . Hmm i know alot of time has passed since then but what speed? Remember when naruto was "rescueing" sasuke in oro hideout. LOL MAN BLINK AND ALMOST GET TAKE. Of course naruto has grown alot since then as well but seriously?? what speed??

For the guy that said I basically said nothing well if thats what you took away from that then I don't know what to say to you.

[Crixx_Creww]

hahahahahaah
my god at absurd fanboyism!
You really trying to say sasuke not fast? and that he not faster than naruto?? steuppssssss

[PapaSmurf]

When it comes to manga, there is a saying in japan that is quite relevant to this discussion. Loosely translated:

"We will see what we see when we see it"

I think that a battle between 2 ppl who sit at the top of the Ninja World will not be one of uber-pwnage by naruto or sasuke as some of you may suggest, but it shall be quite simply, the most amazing battle in the history of Manga. Bigger and better than Goku vs Freeza of the past or Ichigo vs Aizen to come.

At least that is what I hope... that and the death of Sakura.

[W1nTry]

The argument about who is faster is a tough one. Sasuke is FAST like Bolt high on crack with an hurricane wind assist... naruto is harder to guess atm...

So just a few pages to see:
TO recap -> http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/484/16-17/

Apple doh fall far -> http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/501/04/

And to give some perspective of how fast he can be:
Naruto was WAY in the back with Toadsama http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/430/16/
Yet http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/430/17-18/

He got in front of the Anbu who was right BEHIND her...

So it's REALLY hard to guess how fast he is...

I'd wager they can compete with one another atm... the EMS (baring teleportation like madara) doesn't 'speed' Sasuke up as best as I can tell, Sage mode on the other hand definitely speeds Naruto up, so on a normal basis i'd wager to say Sasuke is prolly faster, however with either the Fox Chakra OR Sage or worse yet BOTH, he's ALOT faster... Sasuke MAY be able to teleport now though so i'd say it will go back and forth... now it's just for Naruto to learn flicker and the fight will be like frikkin DBZ... *blink* fight fight fight *blink* fight fight fight... etc

[UltimateGamer]

w!n right on point! Uncle hero, u can't venture back to when they met at oro's hideout to prove his speed against naruto, we know the b!tch waz fast. And is because of that speed and skill sasuke learned that naruto had to go back to the drawing board and train. But, as w1n said, sage mode, or fox chakra naruto or both will pwn sasuke in speed, save EMS speeds him up as well, but there is a great chance that sasuke's sharingan may still allow him to see naruto's movements though he may not be able to keep up with it.

And lets not forget, even if u can see it, it is really difficult to defend yourself against frog katas, even pain get he ass wash because of it.
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/431/13/

[phoenix31tt]

again allyuh killin the shippuuden thread with spoilers -.-...

move d convo!!!

and lol @ the biggest fanboy does be quick to call others fanboy eh...

me personally i dont see naruto beating sasuke in sudden movement speed...
as was explained sometime... uchia's bodies are designed for speed... that's why they can copy anything their eyes see

but still i dont see sage mode or the fox chackra increasing naruto's speed that much... fox is about power and sage seems to be the same, except highly concentrated and controllable ...

and i thought the http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/484/16-17/ link was a joke lol...