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Ten Gaming MisGUNceptions
« on: October 13, 2010, 03:17:30 PM »
Ok folks we all know that games have to have a good balance between realism and fun. After reading through these points I'm sure you will agree that most games have guns closer to the "fun" side lol. It would be both hilarious and frustrating to see a game implement all these boring "realistic" features.

Imagine you going in to sweat yuh partner fire a rocket at  the enemy team and boom, the blast wipes out half your team standing behind him lol. The remaining survivors on your team go to make a last stand when.....their guns jam :p then all of a sudden a one man army on the next team whips out his uber shotgun and owns all, everyone screams hacks lol..



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I don't claim to be a gun expert, however, one thing that annoys me is when gamers label certain first and third person shooters as being realistic. They may indeed be more realistic than other games that use guns, but let's get this straight, there is no such thing as a 100% realistic shooter in gaming when it comes to guns.

That's why it annoys me when some gamers knock a game for "not having realistic gun physics." Most armchair warriors have never even seen a real gun in their lives let alone fired one, yet they'll try and tell you how much more realistic one game is over another. Shooting a bb, or paintball gun isn't exactly comparable to firing a real gun which makes me truly question their expertise on the subject.

In order to try and set the record straight on certain areas where games get it wrong, I decided to list ten gaming misGUNceptions. Once again, I'm more of an enthusiast than an expert, but I have shot my fair share of firearms in my time.


MisGunception number 10- Rocket/Grenade Launchers


OK this isn't exactly a gun myth, but it is something important to keep in mind.

How many times in a game have you been standing behind a teammate in an online match when he was launching a rocket at an enemy? Did you get harmed in any way? The answer is a definite no. In reality, rocket launchers have a dangerous back-blast that can injure or even kill anyone unfortunate enough to be standing behind it. Remember, it is launching an explosive projectile at high speeds

here's a better explanation I found On www.military-sf.com:

A rocket launcher is basically an explosive charge propelled at the enemy by explosive gases. The explosive gases give the round velocity and help accelerate after it leaves the barrel or launcher. A bullet uses explosive gases to push the projectile out in a single explosion. A rocket burns fuel in flight to give the charge additional range.

So essentially, unlike a bullet leaving a rifle, a rocket launcher vents it's explosive gasses out the back. Anyone standing behind it when it's launched would be in for a big surprise. It is also not suggested to use a rocket launcher in an enclosed area.

There is also a big misconception about grenade launchers in games. How many times in a game have you been killed by an enemy launching a grenade at you in close range? In reality, there is a certain distance the grenade projectile has to travel before it's armed. If you take a grenade to the gut at point blank, the projectile would still, no doubt, fly through you, but it wouldn't blow you up.

Here's what an article I found on globalsecurity.org had to say about the matter:

The M386, M397, M397A1, M406, and M433 rounds arm within 14 to 27 meters (46 to 89 ft). The M361 and M441 rounds arm within 2.4 to 3 meters (8 to 10 ft).

So next time you get fragged by an opponent who launches an exploding grenade at his feet, feel free to call shenanigans.

I'm not even going into the fact that the M203 grenade launcher is capable of hitting area targets at around 350 meters, but can only shoot twenty feet tops in most games, and that in reality, you can't bounce grenades around a corner to get a kill. Those ones should be obvious, however.

MisGunception number 9- Guns never Jam

Throughout the course of many games, you can quite literally put thousands of rounds through a single firearm without so much as a single jam up.

In reality, a gun is a mechanical device, and as such is at times prone to malfunction if not properly maintained.

Even so, I know from personal experience, even the most well maintained firearms still occasionally act up. A bullet is essentially propelled via a miniature explosion. Over time carbon, copper fowling from the bullets themselves, and even unburnt powder can build up in the firearm, and can cause a jam.

There are actually a number of other reasons for jams as well such as faulty magazines causing a miss-feed, corrosion, a defective weapon, or your gun just doesn't like that specific brand of ammo seeing as not all ammo is equal. However, the main reason for such malfunctions usually comes from a dirty weapon.

In games, you don't exactly take the time to maintain your firearm, and yet you never have to anyways. Your gun fires the same every time without any problems. The closest thing that I've seen to a jam up is when you fail to get the fast reload in Gears of War.

Lets not also forget that the rounds are mass produced, and on occasion, you will come across a dummy round or two.

**EDIT** When I started writing this blog months ago, I had not played Farcry 2 yet, but Farcry 2 does indeed feature jamming, and failing weapons in it as do a few other games.

MisGunception number 8- The Reload

Some games have become smart to this, but others are still clueless. If you'll notice in most games when you reload your weapon, your character chambers a round every time. However, if you reload a firearm before you've depleted the previous mag, that actually leaves a live round still in the chamber. This would then eliminate the need to chamber a new round every time you reload assuming that you didn't fully expend all the rounds from your previous magazine. This would just require the simple action of inserting the new mag into the firearm, and then you could continue firing. As stated, some game developers have become smart to this lately, but it should be more common place in games.

There is another personal annoyance I have with reloading in games that should be remedied as well. Say you're in the middle of reloading, and you get as far as putting the new mag into your rifle, and then suddenly an enemy comes out of nowhere, and you buttstroke him. Upon returning to your reload, your character then restarts the reload animation. If you got as far as inserting a new magazine into your rife, then all you would have to do is either chamber a round, and then you're good to go, or if you already had a round chambered, you wouldn't have to do anything.

Instead, you're stuck redoing the entire reload animation which can draw out the reload enough to get you killed if you have to buttstroke multiple enemies. My second point, however, isn't so much a misconception about guns as it is laziness on the developer's part.

MisGunception number 7- Auto Filling Magazines


This is another one I find amusing in "realistic" shooters. Every time you pick up a magazine from an enemy, your ammo magically gets pooled into a large lot, and magically fills all your magazines. Every time you reload, you'll have a full mag regardless.

Realistically, if you fire off 20 rounds in a 30 round magazine, you're still going to have 10 rounds left in the mag when you come back to it. The Socom series has always gotten this right. In Socom, you carry into battle a set number of mags which you can reload at any time. Those magazines, however, do not refill. Mismanagement of your magazines can get you killed if you leave one or two rounds in a mag, and later reload it back into your weapon in the middle of an intense firefight.

Call of Duty still uses the same system that dates back as far as Goldeneye if not farther. It doesn't pool all the ammo into on giant clip like Doom did, but it still magically pools that ammo into full mags for the player. In truth, you'd have to take the time to individually load each mag.

MisGunception number 6- Penetration

This is another one that games are finally starting to come around too. Despite what the movies have taught us, if you stand behind drywall, and an enemy shoots at you, their bullets can and will shoot though the drywall thus injuring or killing you.

Even many of the smaller handgun calibers can easily penetrate through most walls. In fact, I constantly see news reports in my area where people get injured or killed by stray handgun bullets penetrating the walls of their homes. This is also why shotguns are ideal for home defense, because their spray pattern, depending on the ammo and choke you choose, spreads out and loses momentum faster than the standard bullet will. Even a full metal jacket 9mm round can easily penetrate through the walls of a the average house.

As stated, many games have become smart to bullets penetrating walls, but many of them still allow you to get cover behind items in the environment like wooden crates, and metal barrels which would also easily be penetrated.

MisGunception number 5- Silencers


Having a silencer on your gun instantly means that no one will hear or know they are being shot at. Right? Well, bullets break the sound barrier, and as with an F-15 fighter jet, they too produce a sonic boom. It's not quite the same noise as the sonic boom of a jet, because part of the boom in a jet's sonic boom has to do with the noise of the jet engine itself. Bullets do produce a "crack" sound when they break the sound barrier.

The crack a bullet makes when it breaks the sound barrier also produces a distinct whooshing sound that sounds similar to the noise a car makes driving down the road. In fact, when I go shooting at an outdoor gun range, it actually sounds like there is a busy highway behind me despite the fact that the range is out in the middle of the Arizona desert. This means that a target would know he was being shot at, but not necessarily from where.

There is an exception to this rule. They actually design subsonic rounds. These are rounds who's bullets fly slow enough to not break the sound barrier, and thus do no produce a sonic boom. These are ideal for close range assassinations with a silenced weapon.

MisGunception number 4- The Buttstroke


The M1 Garand is a battle hardened rifle with a thick wooden stock. It's heavy duty and you could easily split a person's skull with it. In fact, many battle rifles from the WWII era and earlier would deliver devastating blows to the recipient of their buttstroke.

The modern battle rifle, however, is a different beast altogether. Most are designed to be light weight, and compact. While these rifles are extremely versatile in combat, they are not made with hand to hand combat in mind. Buttstroking an enemy with a modern rifle like the M16 or it's variants, or even the AK-47 (which has a wooden stock that is merely bolted on to the receiver) or it's folding stock variants runs the risk of actually breaking your rifle's stock. Despite the devastating effects that buttstrokes have in games, many guns featured in games wouldn't have nearly as devastating an effect on your opponent.

It's the same with handguns as well. The Colt 1911 is a heavy duty steel gun that would easily straighten up anyone getting pistol whipped by it. So would your traditional revolvers like the Colt Single Action Army which are also heavy steel guns. Modern pistols, as with most modern rifles, are light weight, and most are a mixture of polymer (plastic) and steel. A Glock is a perfect example of this. The only part of a Glock that would be good for the old pistol-whip would be the top of the gun where the steel slide and barrel are. The frame of a Glock is too light and too soft to do any real damage to your opponent, and even the metal parts of the gun are relatively light weight and wouldn't be ideal for the pistol whip either.

Buttstrokes are extremely overpowered in games as it is, but that doesn't mean they are all realistic in damage.

MisGunception number 3- Scopes


You may be a badass sniper in Call of duty, but I'd hate to burst your bubble there buddy, that means jack dookie in real life. Scopes are quite a bit more complicated than just aiming and shooting with them. Almost every game in existence is completely unrealistic in their treatments of a rifle scope. Yes, even the great Call of Duty is way off.

I've often seen topics show up in the forums about what kind of rifle they would take into battle, and the majority of the mislead gamers said a sniper rifle so they could pick off enemies from a distance. I actually wondered if these forumers actually believed that using a scope was as simple and easy as lining up a target with their sights, and having the bullet go straight to the target they are aiming at every time regardless of the distance.

Scopes take exact precision and sometimes even a little bit of math (depending on the wind) to sight in for the perfect shot. A scope sighted on at 200 yards will shoot high at 100 yards, and low at 300 yards. Despite what you may think, gravity effects even bullets in mid flight. There is a bullet drop over long distances. Wind also has an effect on a bullet in mid flight and over a distance can push the bullet way off course. At close range the wind is less of a factor, but push it out to a few hundred yards, and we're talking missing your target by feet, and not inches.

In a game like Call of Duty, the scoped rifle will shoot as perfectly straight, and on target from 10 feet as it will at 100 yards with absolutely no adjustment. In reality, the sniper would have to adjust his aim in order to get an accurate shot off at an opponent or he would run the risk of completely missing his target, and possibly giving his position away.

What's true for scopes is also true for iron sights on a rifle. They too, at times, require adjustments for shots at varying distances. That or just some good Kentucky Windage.

Keep in mind I'm not even going into the various types of ammo (as some types of ammo will shoot more accurately out of your rifle than other), powder loads, bullet weight, and etc. In fact some guys take years working up the perfect load for their rifles.

The game I've played that is most realistic to using a scope is a game called Sniper Elite on the PC, PS2, and Xbox. It also appears to have a Wii port in the makings, but don't quote me on that one until it actually happens.

MisGunception number 2- Shotguns

Shotguns are the most misused and misunderstood weapons in video game history. The movies teach us that every shotgun sprays like bird shot coming out of a sawed off shotgun. In reality the shotgun is one of the most versatile weapons in the arsenal of man.

For starters, shotguns shoot more than just buck shot. You can practically shove anything into a shot shell from buckshot pellets, to slugs, bean bags, to grenades, to even bolo rounds. Anything that can fit into a shotgun shell can be fired from it with the right wadding.

Shotguns do have a spray pattern with buckshot and bird shot, but what games and movies never seem to take into account is the barrel choke. A sawed off shotgun doesn't have a choke, and would, no doubt, spread out and disperse rather quickly. It would be devastating up close, but extremely ineffective at a distance. Most shotguns, however, have barrel chokes at the end that give them a specific spray pattern, and can give the gun a more effective range. Think of a choke like a nozzle on a hose. If you turn your hose on without a nozzle, the water doesn't go particularly far on it's own. When you put a nozzle on the hose, it pushes the water through a smaller opening giving it more pressure and a farther and more concentrated spray over a larger distance than having no nozzle at all. Chokes essentially do the same thing with the shotgun pellets. They determine the pattern of the pellets being shot out of the shotgun, and how close they are grouped together at different ranges. For a better explanation of shotgun chokes, GO HERE.

I've seem various claims about the effective range of a shotgun firing buckshot, but on average I hear that most shotguns have an effective range of 20 to 40 yards from the target. Some sources say even up to 50 yards. It probably depends on the shogun, the choke and the ammo load. Either way, if you're standing on the goal line, and you enemy is on the 50 yard line, you'll at least injure him at that distance. It sure beats the 10 foot range of the average shotgun in gaming.

I haven't even gotten into rifled shotguns yet. The average shotgun is what they call smoothbore. Unlike a gun like the M1-Garand a smoothbore shotgun doesn't have rifling inside the barrel to give it the accuracy of a rifle. To give clarity on what rifling is, the Mariam Webster dictionary definition is: a system of spiral grooves in the surface of the bore of a gun causing a projectile when fired to rotate about its longer axis. Those groves give the bullet it's spin which give it the accuracy needed to hit what you are aiming at. Think of it as the difference of throwing a football straight without a spiral, and then throwing it with a spiral. Or for a geek reference, the beginning of every James Bond movie shows the rifling of a gun that is being pointed at Bond before he turns and shoots the would-be assassin. I'm willing to bet that some of you thought it was a camera.

They have shotguns now that have rifling in their barrels that give them up to 100 yards of accuracy when shooting slug rounds. Some people can reportedly hit targets at up to 200 yards with a lot of practice. As shooting technology increases and the science of shooting improves, I have no doubt that the accuracy and range of shotguns will also improve.

In reality, if games were to accurately portray shotguns, there wouldn't be a need to use any other weapon, because they would be extremely devastating, and unbalancing in online play. The shogun would be dubbed the ultimate noob tube.




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Ten Gaming MisGUNceptions
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Re: Ten Gaming MisGUNceptions
« Reply #1 on: October 13, 2010, 03:57:03 PM »
where's misGUNception number 1? this was an interesting read
also I think the ONLY game that comes eerily close tobeing "realistic" in some respects is Battlefield Bad Company 2. My dad served in the military many years aback and he's currently a polic officer in the states, so he has hadplenty experience with VARIOUS types of arms. He told me he played Battlefield at his friend's house on PC and he has played games like Doom and COD before, but in a conversation I had with him a while ago, I distinctly remember him telling me that it was extremely realistic in terms of handling and so forth. The unlimited sprint and other aspects obviously make the game "non -reaslitic" but it comes damn close in terms of the handling of certain firearms.

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Re: Ten Gaming MisGUNceptions
« Reply #2 on: October 13, 2010, 04:11:33 PM »
There's a recent game called 'Sniper: Ghost Warrior' that includes all the 'sim' elements
of sniping, which sounds great on paper, but trying to pull off successful kill-shots
in that game was so frustrating, I uninstalled it after about 1 hr of steady expletives.  :(

In short: 'realism' does not necessarily equal fun, which is why games like Unreal Tournament exist. :)

At least Bad Company 2 implemented the bullet-drop quite nicely.


...and I always wondered about the reload/magazine thing.  There's a particular game I played
(can't remember which) where you lose the remaining rounds in a magazine if you reload before
it empties, which forces you to be a LOT more strategic with your shots.
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Re: Ten Gaming MisGUNceptions
« Reply #3 on: October 13, 2010, 04:44:41 PM »
Number 1 couldn't fit, the post was too long.......this one is fairly obvious, playing these games aren't going to train you on how to use guns lol

Not too sure about the reload one but I know Arma 2 is one of the more realistic games that came out last year.

Saw this on youtube, a pretty realistic FPS from our neighbours in Grenada lol....wow



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MisGunception number 1- Games train kids how to be be marksmen

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I've heard it said at times from uneducated people that the shooters at Columbine trained for headshots by playing Doom. That is the biggest bit of bulls*** I've ever heard.

Never mind that even the most realistic shooter games of today aren't even close to the real thing, but Doom with it's auto aim, and no reloads is especially not the game to train kids how to use a firearm. You can't even aim for headshots in Doom.

I will say this, modern games can intellectually teach people how to load and actuate a firearm. They even intellectually teach gamers how to aim in certain games like Call of Duty (never mind that the back post of a lot of rifles in such games isn't properly lined up with he front post due to the need to be able to see what you're shooting at in game). That being said, the only real thing that teaches someone how to use a firearm effectively is proper training and experience.

Shooting firearms well is a learned skill no different than any other skill people develop. Some of the best shots in the world have had guns in their hands since they were able to walk. It takes years of practice and experience to get good at using a firearm.

Pressing a button, or even pulling a controller trigger like on the 360 controller and having the controller vibrate is no substitute for the feel the kick of a real rifle. I takes years to get aiming, breathing, recoil anticipation, trigger pull, adjusting your sights, and every other aspect of accurately firing a real firearm down pat. Sure, anyone can fire a weapon, but not everyone can fire it well. The idea that games train kids on how to accurately shoot a gun is idiotic in my view.

Video games don't train kids how to use real guns, because as you can see, they don't even properly use them to begin with. That's why we have so many innocent bystanders getting shot in the many gang wars being waged across our country, because those idiots just spray and pray like they see on TV, and in video games.

In Conclusion: So what does this all mean? The answer is, nothing. A game that was an accurate sim of shooting a weapon wouldn't be fun for the majority of gamers out there. In fact, they would probably hate it. A game has to be playable and usually as uncomplicated as possible. They have to stress playability over reality which is OK with me. What it also means is that gamers need to shut up about one game being more realistic than another game to shooting, because no game is realistic. Games are a form of entertainment anyways. If you want a real experience of shooting a weapon, then hit up your local gun shop, and then your local range. As for the rest of the armchair warriors, just enjoy your games, and don't stress over the reality of things in games. Games are an escape from reality anyway.

NOTE: I again reiterate that I don't claim to be an expert on guns. What I've presented here is from my own relatively limited (by comparison to many people who have been around guns longer, and have a ton more experience than I do) experience with shooting. I've shot a wide range of firearms, and enjoy shooting as recreation, but again, I am no expert on the subject. There are a plethora of informative sites out there from real professionals who know a lot more than I about the subject, and I would suggest looking them up if you want more in-depth reporting on the various subjects I have presented here.

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Re: Ten Gaming MisGUNceptions
« Reply #4 on: October 13, 2010, 04:56:37 PM »
raven shield was always a little too annoyingly realistic.

Battle field bullet drop is cool

the realism in teh sniper games are so fun for me though
relaxing, to take the perfect shot.


very good point @ number 1

playing fifa all day all night real doh make you ah Zlatan
so pushing a button will only (sometimes, lol) make you really good at pushing a button.
« Last Edit: October 13, 2010, 04:59:17 PM by Crixx_Creww »

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Re: Ten Gaming MisGUNceptions
« Reply #5 on: October 13, 2010, 05:03:14 PM »
very good point @ number 1

playing fifa all day all night real doh make you ah Zlatan
so pushing a button will only (sometimes, lol) make you really good at pushing a button.
lol if only you can play street fighter all day and learn to murder bastardmen with your barehands that would be epic. As well as flying over men and pelt hadookens


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Re: Ten Gaming MisGUNceptions
« Reply #6 on: October 13, 2010, 05:07:27 PM »
Lol if it could only be that easy.....


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Re: Ten Gaming MisGUNceptions
« Reply #7 on: October 13, 2010, 05:34:08 PM »
As usual...the YouTube comments for that FPS vid win:

'looks like crysis on low, get a new camera plz'



'Holy shit dude, release date?

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Re: Ten Gaming MisGUNceptions
« Reply #8 on: October 13, 2010, 05:36:59 PM »
Hehe this was a related video, note the comment below, it had me rolling :p




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yeah i played a game called life .. it's fking boring and consumes money .. i have a big solid state drive which is pretty much my processor too .. 1000ghz i guess ... i have a pretty decent graphic card called eyes and i play at 3908490328 x 93204832094 resolution .. anti aliasing 99x on mega extreme settings no lag .. around 500 fps per 0.01 seconds .. i dont over heat i need no cooler

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  • Red Paradox: https://www.twitch.tv/flippay1985 everyday from 6:00pm
    May 29, 2018, 09:40:09 AM
  • Red Paradox: anyone play EA Sports UFC 3.. Looking for a challenge. PSN: Flippay1985 :)
    May 09, 2018, 11:00:52 PM
  • cold_187: @TriniXjin not really, I may have something they need (ssd/ram/mb etc.), hence why I also said "trade" ;)
    February 05, 2018, 10:22:14 AM

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