which would you choose between these two 7600s

[Nephilim]

okay, i'm on a REALLY tight budget, i have 1000 to spend on a v/c, after a little research and cheapness (without compromising integrity, hopefully) i would like to choose between these 2, unless you guys could suggest otherwise:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16814121008
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16814125028

they have pretty much the same specs with the giga being @ 50Hz more on the core clock. I doh plan to run especially demanding games (i not looking for 60FPS in oblivion or nun; but i would like to run prey/fear, especially fear with the lighting, that is what make the game for i), i just wha meh games look as good as they move, or at least a compromise between the 2.

any useful feed back would be appreciated especially from the more technically adept among us, i not oppose of being treated like a complete n00b  , educate me.

N.B.
I upgrading from a 7300LE, yes thats right, that crappy card, i made the mistake of assuming an OEM would not possibly put 256MB of ram and a 7 series gpu on a card with a F&%@ing 64bit mem band, this card BLOWS!
(FU XFX  )

EDIT: fixed link, my bad

[Netizen1]

you need to fix that first link, take out the ",OR"

[TrinireturnofGamez]

same difference, but i'd guess i'd  go for the Asus... Silent video cards are nice, esp since you can strap on a case fan if you oc : D

[Nephilim]

did a little more digging came up with these,

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16814121040
the 1650 any good, the last radeon card i had was a 9250

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16814150182
i think the only beef i have with it is the lack of the memory cooling

comments, suggestions
what you guys use?
this is my system config.
3.0ghz ht P4
1 GB kingston pc3200
intel desktop d101ggc board

what go work best for i?

[TrinireturnofGamez]

 1650 and the 7600 are on the same level more or less, but you sure you have an AGP or PCI-E slot? PCI-E systems usually use DDR 2.

[Nephilim]

lol when i say treat like i n00b i didnt mean COMPLETELY!!!!

yeah it have a PCI-e, intel d101ggc, if it had AGP it would be better though i have a 6800 lying aroung here somewhere

EDIT

just one more question it have the same card with a 512 of ram http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16814121007
but the memory is 540 not 800.
the question i asking is this;

Does the speed of the memory in relation to the core clock mean that it has better performace?
i.e. does a 400 : 800 card have better performance than a 400 : 540 card, regardless of the ram?

in case yuh wondering why i asking so many questions, i haven't been in the pc gaming since diablo 1 back in the day (went more into consoles) so i eh so know all the stuff that going on i reading and i seeing like ATI have faster core clocks and memory and even the pipelines in some cases but people saying that some of the cards not up to speed even with the 6 series. (6800GTX for example)

[Beomagi]

just one more question it have the same card with a 512 of ram http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16814121007
but the memory is 540 not 800.
the question i asking is this;

Does the speed of the memory in relation to the core clock mean that it has better performace?
i.e. does a 400 : 800 card have better performance than a 400 : 540 card, regardless of the ram?

YES and no, but in this yes, double yes

Memory SIZE helps if you're storing textures. If you load max texture quality with a 512 card, even the biggest games wont bog it down - you'll have enuogh video memory to hold every thing. If you did NOT have enough memory, then textures are loaded over the pci-e bus on the fly. the bandwidth of pci-e x16 is nothing compared to what localized gpu memory gives, especailly when you consider that the pci-e lane need not bee the bottleneck if the textures have to be cached in ram or havent yet, and are being loaded from the disk.

This is usually not tooo big an issue - 128MB plays most games fine, and those that it can't are fine at 2nd highest texture quality.

Memory speed affects a lot when rendering a texture, it must access the texture in gpu memory. When writing to the frame buffer, it's writing to the video memory, when running shader programs, it's running off of gpu  memory. Now it's not simple faster memory so much as memory bandwidth - more memory bandwidth the better.

It looks like you pushed your budget upwards, and if you did, i'd snag a 7600GT.

ati has a different architecture - and while the x1600/x1650 does well in some games, the card has an achilles heel. Their architecture is 3 shaders per pipe, and the x1600 uses 4 pipes. While many games are using shaders more, so this card's best face is seen often, it lacks in texture capability. 4 texture units cripple it when handling texture heavy games - e.g. quake 4 and half life 2.

While the x1650 pro is faster than the 7600gs, it's not as fast as the 7600gt. The x1650XT is good competition, but at $150, it's too much more than the 7600gt. especially if you can get the rebate.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16814130062

[Nephilim]

wey...allyuh men does read whitepapers not newpapers on the toilet or sum?

thanks a HEAP for the info and as a matter of fact i did push the budget up a bit, work give out a setta ah $1000 food thingys today so rum on them this year  which mean i have more for a v/c  , but as it is my gf max out her credit card, which means, <gasp> i have to ask my mom to lend me hers (oh go please let she say yes).

thanks again for the info i think i'll look into a 7600GT for sure.

[TrinireturnofGamez]

  Memory on video cards can be taken in two ways.. since its ''DDR'' they like to double the number from its real clock to make it seem big. So your ''800'' memory is really 400mhz, and the ''540'' is  likely 1080mhz.
   if your looking at the same card model eg. two 7600s , the higher clock means better performance. That and brand name you should base your purchase on.

[Nephilim]

so that explains why next to some 650/700 card i see 1400 MHz effective...

EDIT:
Okay so i decided on this card, http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16814130017
is basically the same card Beomagi suggested 'cept a $10 more, but i choose it based on the cooler being spread across the memory too, couldn't hurt to have memory cooled too especially if i decide to overclock it, but i don't think i'd need too.
(Either way i plan to get some artic silver to put in place of whatever crap that's under the heat sink.)

Thanks for all the info.BIG UP!

[Beomagi]

that's good, here's a 7900gs for $20 more should you consider another raise.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16814150208
$140 after rebate if you can capitalize on it.

major differences compared to 7600gt :
20pipes vs 12
256bit memory path vs 128bit path

It is very worth it if you're able to use the rebates. The 7600gt is known as one of the louder cards - small fan = higher speed = louder.

[Nephilim]

LOL. if is one thing ah know, is that small = loud, i have 2 thermal take 80mm fans that cool my prescott down to 52 @ load, however they both run a little over 3900RPM and make my system sound like the plants that are around me (pt. lisas)

Holy Crap @ that card - kinda big yo, that is the bling of the 7 series
but it is a nice card however, and it have a modular connector, this is good, considering a major downer was the pcie 6 pin connector for i, (as the converter from the modular required 2 free, which i eh have)

but i might stick with the 7600 from evga, if it ever in stock  would you believe the card is THAT popular that it's been in out-of-stock 2wice this month!!!
and just Friday i check it too eh....

[Crixx_Creww]

yu can get a 7900gs for a 20 dollar price delta and yur not getting it??

[Netizen1]

yu can get a 7900gs for a 20 dollar price delta and yur not getting it??

Well, it's more like a US$40 difference, without rebates

But, if you can get the rebates, then why not go for the 7900GS devon???

[Nephilim]

i wouldn't argue that with rebates is a real dred deal, if yuh could get them (read the reviews on the card), but i only have ah grand to spare behind a card, and as the rates are currently US$6.3 : TT$1

(140 + 6[shipping]) * 6.3 = TT$919.80

and as is not my box i using i go have to give $ for the shipping cost to here, so i reach my cap fellas, i know it probably hutting some ah allyuh head that the 7900gs right there, but i reach the allocated sum for a card that i set aside, so i decide to stick wid it, if i say 'yeah another US$20 bump eh nun' then i go end up spending more than i can/need behind a video card.

$$ management fellas, is ah bitch, but i have other expenses too.
And if you feel this card go make noise, yuh eh hear she yet, too bad she didn't come in a silent version

but again thanks for the info, and doh worry when elder scrolls making meh PC bend to its knees and cry, i will remember your words.

[Netizen1]

so yuh cyah save an extra TT$252 (US$40 * 6.3)

it'll really make a difference yuh know...

even postpone the purchase til yuh have de difference... it's really gonna be in your best interest to get the 7900GS

[Nephilim]

well postponing is possible, so that the card itself could get cheaper (as it is some cards are already getting knocked down a bit), but that go only happen with the launch of more affordable dx10 cards.

EDIT:

so after some consideration i have decided not to go with the 7900gc, here are the reasons:

after examining my case and ps more closely i realize two things;
1. my case have very little room for that size of v/c
2. my ps is a 500w

so even IF i decide to buy it i have to spend more money to get a case and ps to run it.
which is about ah extra 100 us min.

[.:Jedi:.]

500w should run that card. how many amps on the 12v rail(s)? this is also very important.

[Nephilim]

i really can't say for sure, as it says 14 but who knows what is the actual value.
as it is i get the 76 GT it running boss, all meh games 'cept oblivion (obviously) running like champs, and as long as i eh cross 1024, i could put on af and aa full. (naturally this mean that the rest ah the settings on high too)
have a 3020 in 3dmark06 so comming from ah 288 is a BIG improvement.