Aaahh thanks Neti I don't think he lost his way I just think a deeper aspect of the story is going to start panning out. I want to know if his Final Getsu form is stronger that what I think was his full Hollow form.
I am just waiting for someone to just appear out of no where and either cut down Aizen or watch him get cut down and then are like "Aizen I knew I couldn't rely on you" because right now its looking grim for him.
So now they gone throw and whole new aspect on this whole thing so starting from the bottom we have human beings who can sense spiritual energy then we have human beings with high spiritual energy output like the "Quincies" we have the Hollows and Shinigami's which are basically different sides of the same coin and then we had the evolution cross over Hollow to Shin Arancar and Shin to Hollow Vizard and now we have a higher level a so called third dimension beyond Shin and Human so does that mean there is another version beyond Hollow and Human and maybe even another version beyond Hollow and Shinigami
**sighs** with this infinite knowledge and seeing so far into the future and planning out every possible outcome is it just me or is Madara starting resemble a certain God complex Shinigami that we all know. Frankly its getting old fast, but by the way how Madara abuses his body during fights he must be using fake bodies constantly until he gets back his original or something.
P.S. Admins I'm not getting consistent updates when others make posts in this thread even though I have the notification on.
I'm getting tired of those animes 1 presumingly weak clumsy male being obsessed over by several strong/powerful females just to later fine out that there is something special/unique some unlocked/hidden ability or strength of that particular male and finding out that he is actually stronger than them or that this new found ability makes them stronger. Tenchi Muyo comes to mind.
Came across this visual guide for anime of Summer 2010
Thats somewhat helpful you think you could find one for 2008 and 2009? I usually just use the "calendar" on "anidb" its very helpful thats how I found "Heroic Age" and "Guren Lagan"
And I was trying to point out that I think his taijutsu DOES use chakra. Whilst the amount used will vary from NON to ALOT, most times than not, esp when performing 'signature' moves, he IS indeed using it, if he had no chakra he'd be dead, otherwise what's the point of Shino Clan's use of bugs to suck out ur chakra to kill you?
Well they excel in poisoning and destroying cell by inserting chakra into you also so they are not really limited to depending on their opponents having chakra to do them harm.
You guys need to remember that Lee also hasn't had much character development since pre-time skip. There's alot that COULD have happened but since there's been little emphasis on him, we won't really know.
Well he should be crazy at the moment since Gai should have started his Ninjitsu training sometime ago since the 5th freed up whatever was blocking his chakra flow when she did the surgerory on him after his fight with Gaara. Also I think its just building up like what happened last time when we all had an idea of the abilites of the Genin's but we never really got to see in in play we saw some action in the Chunin tournament but we didn't really get to see them shine until they went to capture Sasuke when he had escaped and there was a clash between the Genin's and the Sound Nins that Orochimaru had sent to escort Sasuke.
Hhhmm valid points there W1nTry but I would disagree that he had use a seal on Sasuke at that inital conflict what he was doing I'm not sure because at times he take unusually looking martial art stance, but I must agree it does look suspicious.
"One of the many different types of jutsu, ninjutsu, genjutsu, dojutsu, and so on, all require the use of chakra. However, taijutsu is different, usually requiring no chakra use whatsoever. stamina is all that is needed. "
Taken fron narutopedia
So no.. rock lee cant use chakra
i would disagree but not fully.
I recall early in the series that chakra was defined as energy generated from cells. If my assertion if true, Then it can be said Lee can use chakra, but just solely for Primary/Secondary Lotus.
You must have some sort of chakra-moulding ability to open the chakra gates to perform such a dangerous move. I doh think 'bad mind' is good enough.
Also, there is a another query. If Lee cannot use Chara, then how does one explain Lee's ability to stand on water when his group and Gai were fighting Kisame? You have to be able to mould chakra to stand on water (recall when Jiraya trained Naruto to stand on water and had to use the five-part unseal on his belly)
Hhhmm valid point indeed I always use to wonder if he couldn't use chakra how was he able to open those gates but I guess it could be narrowed down that he cannot mold chakra in a high enough level or sum to be able to execute Ninjitsu and Gengitsu I guess that would be more of an accurate statement but it doesn't really matter now that he no longer has that limitation.
Yeah I can agree with you on the gaps but I think its intentioanlly done just like how there were several gaps in Naruto's history like his mother and father and is just now certain things coming into fruition (if there is even such a word) there are several questions like about Ichigo's mother and his over all lineage we eventually found out that his father is a Shinigami Captain and possibly I think a Royalty well anyway so far we have seen the Shinigami hierarchy we have seen the Espada but we have yet to see the Vizard or more importantly Hollow hierarchy so if its done properly they can actually keep Bleach going for a while.
errm... orochimaru snake thingy was his tool.. and it wanted to kill him... only cause orochimaru was strong the snake couldn't touch him...
so dunno why u think ur tool hadda respect u or be ur fwiend...
once u can be used by someone to accomplish their goal or task etc.. your a tool whether u WANT to be that tool or constantly struggling against it is irrelevant, a tool could want to kill it's master all it want.. is still a tool.. and btw...
and yes the kyuubi bad.. but he cant break the seal... unless naruto release him... in other words... naruto have all the power over the kyuubi... so u dont try to overplay the kyuubi's strength.. he is still binded.
Valid point about Orochimaru's snake summon, I recall Kabuto stating something like if he even knew that Orochimaru couldn't use his hands he would have bailed on them this was during the battle involving the three Senins
Ahh forsakened, you haven't been on the forum long enough to know this, but umm, crixx, well, erm, he has a thing for sasuke o_O. Don't even bother to try to make sense because it has no bearing when it comes to sasuke. Just have fun with it
Well Crixx to each their own because to me and several others it was just absolute rubbish and lets not forget that Rock-Lee did not have the ability to use chakra at that point in time.
This is quite inaccurate. Taking in sage chakra is rediculously hard. It's not simply generating clones. His three clones weren't storing sage chakra but constantly molding sage chakra. Thus he had 3 clones doing what even Jaraiya couldn't do perfectly. The fact that naruto could fight against pain, and keep his 3 clones molding sage chakra was quite an impressive feat.
I'm not debating whether or not it was difficult I'm just stating accomplishing something that requires one to spam mass amount of Chakra when done by Naruto is not impressive because we all know the story behind him and his ridiculous chakra pool already. Thats almost as being impressed by a Stealth Bomber because it wasn't picked up by radar. Also how is molding different from storing he knew that he could only facilitate sage mode for a specific period and as soon as he could no longer maintain it he released a clone that chakra or whatever came back to him and he was able to go in Sage mode again.
I guess you wouldn't be. After defeating 5 ninja's that destroyed the entire village, why be impressed since he initially lost to the last and strongest one? And this is pain's power, what if he loses chakra and takes damage from his own jutsu. I had this discussion before, and it's like this. Each ninja has tools affording them power. For sasuke he has sharingan, for pain he has rinnegan and naruto has kyuubi. Weather or not pops showed up, pain no. 6 would have been dead! It just so happen that pops showed up and resealed kyuubi after which naruto proceed to kick pain no 6's ass. So yah he did defeat pain.
Once again technically the village was taken out by only 1 Pain God Pain and lets not forget that when any of them are successfully defeated they had that contraption to resurrect which ever one was defeated.
Okay here memory does not serve you right. Choji was never the strongest Taijutsu fighter.
I did not state that Chouji was the strongest I stated that he was one of the strongest it was either Rock-Lee and Chouji or Rock-Lee or Kiba I think they mentioned it at the second tournament or when they were fighting against those sound Nins when they were perusing Sasuke.
You miss the point of being a ninja. Kakashi was not born with sharingan, yet that is his main source of power. A ninja uses to tools afforded to him to give him the edge in battle. These toads are naruto's. Thus they count as his strength.
Well that makes sense I'll accept that and move on even though Kakkashi was already good due to his background with the White Fang.
He's a genius. We know that. But its what the writer's said/did so who am i to argue with them. We may not agree but it is what it is. Can I ask you who your favorite character is?
Unless he was touched by God he should not have been able to developed the muscles that it took Rock-Lee years to attain thats all I'm stating. My favorite Character Is Neji but I also like Rock-Lee and Gaara.
@W1ntry no one is arguing here at least I don't think we are just having a debate nothing wrong with that until we start aiming Tomahawks at each others country.
Boss man he had 3 clones takin in sage chakra back in toad mountain, and had 2 with him, so there weren't six clones, only 5 my bad. There were 6 narutos lol. And we have to give naruto props even though his mother was helpin. His toads were helping him but does that mean no props for him for defeating pain?
You can't take away someone's power to equate them with the other. Outside of sage mode, naruto is still a boss ninja. So since senjutsu is naruto's specialty, and baika is choji's. if you take away senjutsu from naruto, then take away baika from choji. So let's not take away anyone's power just yet.
As for lee, i think on a straight taijutsu battle he'll kick anyone's ass. That means no byakugan from neji or sharingan from sasuke. But then how is that fair.
And finally, ain't no comin back for anything sealed by the shinigami. That is trapped their for all eternity battlin it out with the 1st, 2nd, 3rd and 4th lololol...
Naruto don't need the "50% sealed" since chakra regenerates. Heck we know chakra regenerates over time, so i won't be so sure to say that kyuubi is only 50% of his former self at this point. He had 16 years to regenerate.
Well I only mentioned those three clones because he left them specifically to store energy so in essence whatever energy they were storing would compensate for their own existence thus not being a strain on him, the only ones that may have been a strain on him are the two he summoned for battle but seeing that Naruto constantly spams clones at a ridiculous rate I find nothing impressive about Naruto summoning a clone.
Also technically he didn't defeat Pain he lost to the 6th one and then dad was nice enough to appear from no where reseal Kyuubi thus helping his chakra which was going in chaos to restabilize, all this was happening while the original Pain was talking damage from using Jutsu that kept damaging and depleting his own chakra so forgive me if I'm not impressed.
Baika? I take it thats Choiji's ability to increase body mass? I wasn't even factoring that in I was just basing it off that if memory serves me correctly Rock-Lee and Chouji were the strongest Taijutsu fighters. I also have the stance if you weren't born with it, then it ain't natural Hako was about to be killed when his abilities kicked in out of sheer self preservation now thats natural then he learned how to master it down the road and of course there are the more obvious ones like Neji and Sasuke. The toads who trained Naruto are all external factors its just like the benefit of reading a technique scroll that no one else knows about its not that you are the only one who could use the scroll you are just the only one who knows about it why do you think that clans are so defensive when it comes to other clans getting the body of their members.
In regards to the other 50% there are a lot of things that would have seem impossible when we just started Naruto I'm not stating that its going to happen just stating its a possibility I'm sure at one point seeing the Hokages would have seemed rather impossible also until we saw Orochimaru use that techniqe.
I remember when Lee was going to hospitalize Sasuke and then Gai interfered he was telling Saske "that it doesn't matter if he can see whats coming if he can't keep up and what it took Lee years to learn to utilize the writers of Naruto decided to give Sasuke after somethinkg like a month training now that was utter garbage.
I think the seal trini is referring to is the one that lies on the yellow flashes special kunai, that he uses to mark his opponent to teleport to. Sleepy fans translations says sushuin, so its definitely a body flicker and not a teleport.
And now rikudo mode + sage mode = unbeatable!
One thing that i watched at with sage mode was that he was only able to keep 6 clones when he just learned it but now, he has attained an incredible level with it, as we saw during the kyuubi fight. So he really is stronger on every level at this point. Can't wait to see if/when he partners up with kyuubi.
Which 6 Clones? When he was fighting Pain I saw 3 clones. Also lets not forget that his mother was basically restraining the Kyuubi with those chains or whatever so lets not go giving Naruto props just yet. I feel that he is going to go all out and even his new abilities are still not going to be enough and its going to come down to him teaming up with Kyuubi and fight just like how Bee does, full union full corparation I wouldn't be surprised that somewhere along here Naruto learns how to unseal that other 50% of Kyuubi's chakra.
Well I still wonder about this original 'red' chakra that mixes constantly as it's explicitly said that he has this new power locked away separately. I know he's said he won't use it but i'm just trying to guage his present 'bag of tricks'. He has unusual amounts of chakra to deal with, he's basically a tank (in MMORPG speak). Then he has Sage mode which uses natural energy and now the Full Kyubi Chakra. And there's ONE more thing we've all forgotten, Itachi has left him an easter egg. Sasuke has his speed, variety of techniques, his sharingan, and now his EMS with Amateratsu, Tsukiyomi and Susanoo. I really wonder how this will all match up in the last battle....
imho I think Naruto is just REALLY REALLY fast (yuh know the whole Chakra makes you FASTER bit *poke poke*)
Well he would be more like a Mage in a (MMORPG) because chakra allows you to use your abilites (magic if you would like) the more chakra you have is the more moves you can do and in a sense gives you access to stronger moves see that they usually consume a ridiculous amounts of chakra because I highly doubt out side of Sage money if Naruto could trade blows with Rock-lee or Chouji.
I know that red chakra thing buggin u long time especially the automatic healing he had, and also how kyuubi coulda just pop in to give him a hand if he in a bind. But i doh think he really needs that auto healing anymore as he is now a strong enough ninja to handle himself. If he still need kyuubi to save his ass now, then he deserve to get his ass cut from sasuke.
I really want to see sasuke's EMS in action. I wanna get a feel for his new power.
Don't forget that healing just a patch because he was simultaneously destroying and healing them.
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