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breathalyser brings 3 beer limit
« on: November 04, 2006, 01:04:47 AM »
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Drink more than three beers and if you are pulled over by the police, you could face a $5,000 fine or six months in prison and a 12-month driving ban under a new bill.

A second offence could lead to a $10,000 fine or twelve months in prison and a lifetime ban from driving.

These are the penalties under the Motor Vehicles and Road Traffic Act, better known as the Breathalyser bill, that was laid before the Parliament yesterday.

Almost a year after Opposition MPs had called for the bill as part of discussions with the government on Police Service Reform bills, Works and Transport Minister Colm Imbert piloted the proposed legislation in the House of Representatives during its sitting yesterday at the Red House, Port of Spain.

The bill did not pass in the Lower House yesterday and was instead referred to a Joint Select Committee of Parliament.

In April, Imbert said the bill would have been law by June.

The bill governs the use of breathalysers and blood tests by the police and medical professionals, respectively, to determine if a motorist is driving under the influence of alcohol.

The bill does not contain a clause that poses any penalty for the tampering, interference or swapping of specimens taken to prove someone was driving drunk.

In reading the bill clause by clause, Imbert said the prescribed alcohol limit for drivers would be a breath concentration of 35 microgrammes of alcohol in 100 millilitres of breath or such other proportion as may be prescribed.

The bill also prescribes a blood alcohol concentration of 80 milligrammes of alcohol in 100 millilitres of blood.

Imbert said the government was seeking to establish a ".08 alcohol limit" similar to that in other countries.

Opposition Caroni East MP Ganga Singh asked how many alcohol drinks this translated to.

"That is between two and three beers, about three beers. When I return I will give you in terms of puncheon rum, in terms of whisky, so people will know," Imbert said. "After three beers you will be over the limit that we have prescribed in this legislation."

One Opposition MP responded: "I now start to drink after three beers."

Opposition Chaguanas MP Manohar Ramsaran said he been doing some research and said different people had different thresholds with alcohol.

"So one beer couldn't effect somebody as three beers affects another person," Ramsaran said.

Imbert said the bill does not seek to ban the consumption of alcohol but doing so while driving.

"It will be a bit of a culture change for Trinidad and Tobago but we have to do this. I mean if you go through the statistics, you know we have over 100 road deaths every year and at least half of them are associated with, I said at least half of them, are associated with persons who have been drinking and young people," Imbert said.

"When you look at road deaths, if you do an age profile on the people who, the road fatalities, there is a high percentage of teenagers. Persons who have just got their driver's permit and gone to some fete somewhere and not old enough or mature enough to understand the implications of drinking and driving."

Imbert said an analysis of the statistics of road traffic deaths shows it is probably the number one cause of death of persons aged 18-25.

"Driving under the influence is the number one cause of death of persons in that age group."
http://www.trinidadexpress.com/index.pl/article_news?id=161046410

if this helps to curb the carnage on the road, so be it..

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breathalyser brings 3 beer limit
« on: November 04, 2006, 01:04:47 AM »

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Re: breathalyser brings 3 beer limit
« Reply #1 on: November 04, 2006, 10:20:22 AM »
very very good news!! The amount of crazy drivers it have on the road is staggering.

Just one question, doesn't is qualify as news??

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Re: breathalyser brings 3 beer limit
« Reply #2 on: November 04, 2006, 10:29:09 AM »
yup. it's news..
but i thought placing it in 'Rumshop' had a sort of poetic justice to it. lol
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Re: breathalyser brings 3 beer limit
« Reply #3 on: November 04, 2006, 10:31:08 AM »
lol!!!!!

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Re: breathalyser brings 3 beer limit
« Reply #4 on: November 04, 2006, 10:34:51 AM »
i wonder if them police who does be by the bar go try it :P

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« Reply #4 on: November 04, 2006, 10:34:51 AM »

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Re: breathalyser brings 3 beer limit
« Reply #5 on: November 04, 2006, 01:28:43 PM »
Dread the hard part is there is no @$$oholic test... let me expand on that. There are MANY MANY MANY @$$holes on the road DURING THE DAY. NOT DRINKING... alot happen to be taxis granted, HOWEVER that does NOT mean they need to drive the way they do. Thing about all the accidents due to alcohol/drugs/etc. They tend to happen at night. But what about the road fatalities of pedestrians? the knick knack accidents that happen ALL over in carparks or side streets? what about all those ppl driving on the SHOULDER??? this breathaliser test will just help (I pray) ppl to obey the law AS THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO TO BEGIN WITH. sighs... I think they NEED much HIGHER, HARDER penalties for traffic offenses. Heck for EVERYTHING. Adopt a 3 strike JAIL policy like NYC did to clean up its act. If yuh get 3 offenses NO MATTER HOW SMALL yuh @$$ in jail @ least 1 night. Of course it has to be within reason. maybe 3 offenses in a given year or quarter. But all the same, the enforcement of the laws of this country are as much OUR responsibility as it is the police. We're part of the problem AND we are the solution. The poilce should ONLY need to deal with the REAL offenders. I could rant whole day but it doesn't change the fact that this will prolly only help a LITTLE but not much more than than when you consider police does be drinking on th job too... BLEH..

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Re: breathalyser brings 3 beer limit
« Reply #6 on: November 04, 2006, 03:35:22 PM »
Yuh know how we like to 'drink a rum', and then jump in we car like is nutten. (I don't drink 'much' by the way).
Bring it on I say.  Long overdue.
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Re: breathalyser brings 3 beer limit
« Reply #7 on: November 04, 2006, 06:40:27 PM »
it'll take a while to be ingrained in the public psyche, but it will get there..

i just hope it will be enforced though( unlike the on-again off-again attitude with seatbelts)



i drink fairly often, but if is my turn to drive, i'll curb it for the night..  almost everyone knows someone who died due to drunk driving..  and if this is what it takes to save a few lives, im all for it

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Re: breathalyser brings 3 beer limit
« Reply #8 on: November 04, 2006, 07:19:00 PM »
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Re: breathalyser brings 3 beer limit
« Reply #9 on: November 04, 2006, 08:04:37 PM »
This is retarded. Typical of the way T&T legislates. Tail first.
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Re: breathalyser brings 3 beer limit
« Reply #10 on: November 06, 2006, 11:15:59 AM »
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One Opposition MP responded: "I now start to drink after three beers."

http://www.trinidadexpress.com/index.pl/article_news?id=161046410

if this helps to curb the carnage on the road, so be it..




AHAHAH LOL

Well to tell you all the truth if they catch up with my father he dead......he's not an alcoholic but the man like his beers.....And i honesly believe he's a better driver when he has had a few....

Still though i find that law seems fair (not because i've stopped drinking excessively) but eventually hopefully it would lead to other laws (DNA testing eg.) being implimented.


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Re: breathalyser brings 3 beer limit
« Reply #11 on: November 06, 2006, 12:31:32 PM »
3 beers limit?
should be 0 beer limit, drinking after you had a few reguardless of your ability to walk or talk or whatever is still a stupid thing to do.

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"So one beer couldn't effect somebody as three beers affects another person," Ramsaran said.

Imbert said the bill does not seek to ban the consumption of alcohol but doing so while driving.

"It will be a bit of a culture change for Trinidad and Tobago but we have to do this. I mean if you go through the statistics, you know we have over 100 road deaths every year and at least half of them are associated with, I said at least half of them, are associated with persons who have been drinking and young people," Imbert said.

"When you look at road deaths, if you do an age profile on the people who, the road fatalities, there is a high percentage of teenagers. Persons who have just got their driver's permit and gone to some fete somewhere and not old enough or mature enough to understand the implications of drinking and driving."

Imbert said an analysis of the statistics of road traffic deaths shows it is probably the number one cause of death of persons aged 18-25.

"Driving under the influence is the number one cause of death of persons in that age group."
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that is my case right there.

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Re: breathalyser brings 3 beer limit
« Reply #12 on: November 06, 2006, 12:37:13 PM »
3 beers limit?
should be 0 beer limit, drinking after you had a few reguardless of your ability to walk or talk or whatever is still a stupid thing to do.


You do know that by that course of logic...one should not drive after taking two Panadol Multi-Symptom, right?

What can you do to end the hunger?
It's no surprise that many will die with the coming shortage of food
When there is no grain to feed the butchered cows
When there is nothing to feed yourselves...
Then you will see that money can't be eaten.

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Re: breathalyser brings 3 beer limit
« Reply #13 on: November 06, 2006, 12:39:52 PM »
read the lable on the panadol - it mark should not operate any heavy machinery

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Re: breathalyser brings 3 beer limit
« Reply #14 on: November 06, 2006, 01:08:38 PM »
read the lable on the panadol - it mark should not operate any heavy machinery


I'm aware of what it says. I just wanted to know how particularly absurd you wanted to get. Thanks.

So basically what you're saying is that if two panadol multi-symptom don't affect me in any significant manner I shouldn't drive anyway. Regardless of my ability to function coherently.

Nice.


I guess that means no black cake as I drive house to house this Christmas. Yeah.



« Last Edit: November 06, 2006, 01:12:27 PM by Synchronomyst »
What can you do to end the hunger?
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When there is no grain to feed the butchered cows
When there is nothing to feed yourselves...
Then you will see that money can't be eaten.

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Re: breathalyser brings 3 beer limit
« Reply #15 on: November 06, 2006, 01:43:56 PM »
dred you working?
well let me tell you a story of a man who did just that, had a comtrex and he didn't tell nobody, so he was normal.
later on in the day it wear off, and he had headache again, he was a crane operator in here (the plant i on), he drop a motor on a man, the man lost his right arm.

it don't matter how you "feel", you can't endanger people cause you "feel" you okay.



I'm aware of what it says. I just wanted to know how particularly absurd you wanted to get. Thanks.

So basically what you're saying is that if two panadol multi-symptom don't affect me in any significant manner I shouldn't drive anyway. Regardless of my ability to function coherently.

Nice.


I guess that means no black cake as I drive house to house this Christmas. Yeah.


And that ladies and gentlement is the same trini mentalitly that have we here today.

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Re: breathalyser brings 3 beer limit
« Reply #16 on: November 06, 2006, 01:48:31 PM »
whey................

what plant is that? I Didn't hear anything about it in the news


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Re: breathalyser brings 3 beer limit
« Reply #17 on: November 06, 2006, 01:54:21 PM »
you doh hear bout most ah them. just the deaths. the arm was the whole arm though just under the elbow.

i calm down now i just wha say i eh mean to sound so arrogant.

but the fact remains, you can't have people's lives entrusted to you (the passengers in your can, etc.) and do foolish things, if you had 1/2 ah bear self, and yuh know you have a paddna who doh drink then let he drive.
Safety on the roads/anywhere is not ah "i feel" kinda thing, is ah thing that you can't trust to anything but pure logic.
Logic dictates simply:

Drink = NO driving
Sober = Driving

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Re: breathalyser brings 3 beer limit
« Reply #18 on: November 06, 2006, 02:18:18 PM »
dred you working?
well let me tell you a story of a man who did just that, had a comtrex and he didn't tell nobody, so he was normal.
later on in the day it wear off, and he had headache again, he was a crane operator in here (the plant i on), he drop a motor on a man, the man lost his right arm.

it don't matter how you "feel", you can't endanger people cause you "feel" you okay.

Because, of course, this is directly and undeniably linked to the Comtrex and not to his own independent error. Of course, also not taking into account the reverse possibility that he was very much affected by the drug, doubly concious of that fact and decided to work anyway. No. These are not more likely scenarios than him exhibiting entirely different side effects to a drug in the same relative time span. No. Not in the least.


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I'm aware of what it says. I just wanted to know how particularly absurd you wanted to get. Thanks.

So basically what you're saying is that if two panadol multi-symptom don't affect me in any significant manner I shouldn't drive anyway. Regardless of my ability to function coherently.

Nice.


I guess that means no black cake as I drive house to house this Christmas. Yeah.


And that ladies and gentlement is the same trini mentalitly that have we here today.

That's quaint, really. Because it seems as if my mentality is that which is prevalent in the legislature of virtually every country as is evidenced by limits and advisories rather than outright bans. Yep.

As I said before; absurd.


Srsly.

What can you do to end the hunger?
It's no surprise that many will die with the coming shortage of food
When there is no grain to feed the butchered cows
When there is nothing to feed yourselves...
Then you will see that money can't be eaten.

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Re: breathalyser brings 3 beer limit
« Reply #19 on: November 06, 2006, 03:07:52 PM »
limits and advisories are the problem.
we have a limit of 80 km/hr on the highways but i'm unware of anyone who actually obeys them.
we have a law that states that you cannot overtake on the shoulder, yet it is still done, we have a law which states that you must stay three car lengths away from the vehicle in front you and yet people still disobey them, we have a law that states you cannot drive on the priority and it is still done, and to top it off NONE of these are seriously enforced.

Outright bans are the next step in a growing degree of corrective actions, you will speak to a child about doing something, but if they don't listen the first time or the second or the 200th and all you do is talk you think that child will have any respect for you or your rules? Hell no.

people can't obey simple "advisories" and "limits", what is to stop them from doing the same to the three beer limit?
Either way, laws are irrelevant in this country nobody obeys them, the people do as they please because they no somebody who know somebody who have gun or who could get them out of it.


Because, of course, this is directly and undeniably linked to the Comtrex and not to his own independent error. Of course, also not taking into account the reverse possibility that he was very much affected by the drug, doubly concious of that fact and decided to work anyway. No. These are not more likely scenarios than him exhibiting entirely different side effects to a drug in the same relative time span. No. Not in the least.


and if he had taken the drug with all your constructive well verbosed excuses and just not used the crane, as simple sense would dictate?
What would have happened, the guy would still have lost the arm i guess? ent?

Take a moment and ask "what if?" instead of "why?"
EDIT:
What if every limer decide to vote a completely sober driver, and have he paddnas drink like wow.
what if we had bans on things, instead of limits for the law to be interpreted and bent so that criminals get lesser punishments or get away as the case is most of the time.
What if people used simple common sense and courtesy instead of being @$$holes.
Is like the question "Why you were speeding Mr.X?" "because i was late."
well if yuh bleedinglate then why yuh rushing yuh already late call and tell the office yuh late, but then again i guess rushing down the highway at 120Km/hr and crashing into a van load of kids or for that matter any on eis more appealing.

if we ask "What if" instead of "Why?" we would be better off.

Why must i obey the law when others breaking it?
Why i must not drive when drink, is only one beer?
Why i can't take the priority and reach faster is only $200 fine?
Why must i be a god-damn saint nobody else is?
Why, why, why...BS!

start asking what if and see just one situation.

any way we jacking this man thread and is long time i eh debate with nobody pm meh if you wha carry this to another thread.

and so yuh know i eh attacking you eh brother, nor yuh mentality directly, that was a vexing reply i put (And that ladies and gentlement is the same trini mentalitly that have we here today), i questioning the motives for your actions/decisions.

peace out.
« Last Edit: November 06, 2006, 03:27:09 PM by devon »

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