THE GENERAL ALL-PURPOSE NARUTO THREAD

[phoenix31tt]

well for me its tryin to find out if naruto chakra is natural or because of the nine-tails...
guess i get drawn into crix usual naruto bashin :S... ah well

[Crixx_Creww]

errr... without the kyuubi he woulda have the sage training even easier cuz then he woulda be able to merge with the frogs :S

lol u does make it sound like naruto's strength is the kyuubi lol...

like all he take from his father is the hair... everything else musbe come from the mother lol

you are very right bout the mother thing
he is such a shit snake he pops was like nah, you real cyah coast my name

naruto's only strength used to be kyuubi
then he added talk no jutsu
and now because of the gift of kyuubi, he was able to do taijuu kage bunshin, and maintain lots of strong bunshins to learn jutsu's faster.

You trying to big up his sage training, and his bunshin skills without admitting that he can only do those things cause of the massive giftage by kyuubi.

Yeah his sage training would be more uber if kyuubi wasnt in him
but then, hes not a good ninja, so he would still need high level kage bunshins to learn sage mode , and he cant do that without de pottong.

[phoenix31tt]

lol point proven...
just show me where the chakra thing about the kyuubi is.. thats the only thing i interested in rite now

[Forsakened]

lol point proven...
just show me where the chakra thing about the kyuubi is.. thats the only thing i interested in rite now

Thats exactly what I'm waiting on because its just going to be a constant back and forth by democracy we would win though 2 to 1 and I thought he used his clone to complete the last stages of the Rasengan but I don't recall him using them to learn the Sage technique.

[UltimateGamer]

while i completely disagree with crixx's inference that narutos chakra pool is as a result of suppressing kyuubi chakra, he did use 3 clones to do his sage training. It was the max that old toad sage could have controlled (meaning bash the living crap out of if he was transforming into a frog).

Naruto never had to suppress kyuubi chakra, the seal is there to ensure that the chakra mixes with his own. It wasn't like gaara's bijuu in which he had to constantly suppress it or it will overcome him. Naruto could have quite possibly been birthed with his large chakra pool in addition to all his training. Now the kyuubi is directly responsible for naruto's STAMINA LEVELS.

So i think this is what crixx really wants to fuel his argument. Because of kyuubi he had an increased stamina level, which gave him the ability to do kage bushin training for extended periods of time, using both his own and kyuubi's chakra.

At the end of the day, yondaime hokage meant his son to be a protector of konoha, and gave him a tool to use at his disposal. With it came both pros and cons. But except for the direct use of kyuubi's chakra to drastically increase his strength in battle and the length of time he could train, EVERY METHOD OF TRAINING REGARDLESS OF WHAT IS WAS, WAS HARD EARNED. Sasuke did train very hard even up until facing itachi, but the gift that itachi left him afforded him new powers that hardly seemed earned. 3 of the most powerful techniques in the naruverse without 1 single means of training. Its just there, implanted in him. Powers that allowed him the ability to defeat danzo, and face off with the kages. Naruto busted his but learning sage techs to face off with pain. Yet nobody ever wants to grant him his praises for defeating pain, because they say he had help. A shinobi uses the tools that are afforded to him. For sasuke, its his eyes, so i guess i will accept his power even though it was a "gift" as i see it. Not to mention his team who was by his side helping him out every step of the way. (How much time will karin save his life...seriously). For naruto, his frogs are his, so thats not outside help like sasuke's team, and kyuubi is his (at least until 3 tails and that's his "gift"), so it evens of with sasuke's doujutsu.

I guess we have nothing to argue about anymore... they both had gifts.

[rb]

Kabutomaru starting to seem like the real final boss.

Anyone else think that the hidden box contained Madara's real body ?

[TrinireturnofGamez]

  Madara's real body is the most obvious thing... kishi probably has something a tad bit more surprising , like Madara's brother who should be able to match him in jutsu and perhaps be immune to the use of his own eyes against him.
   

[Synchronomyst]

It's either real Madara, Yondaime or First Ninja ever.

[Forsakened]

Yeah I was wondering about that "first ninja ever" also basically the one who invented Ninjutsu, I would like if its not one of the possible obvious resurrection we already saw the 1st Hokage so only other threat would be the 4th, his brother hell could even be his father and then there is that Elemental Sage who Pain was talking about who created a moon.  But where did it hint or state that Madara is not in his own body?

[rb]

Its not the 4th, why would Madara be scared of the 4th when the 4th himself said Madara was always one step ahead of him ?

Kabuto said "Don't worry I haven't told anyone". It makes the most sense that it would be the real body of Madara.  Everyone still thinks this is the same uber powerful Madara in his original body, but if everyone happened to find out that he isn't the "real" Madara he would be taken as less of a threat.

Why else would be he scared like that.

[Crixx_Creww]

he called him a madman
i think its the first ninja guy
total psycho supposedly

but i have a question
hasnt akatsuki been gathering up the bodies of their fallen soldiers?
how is it kabutomaru can summon them then? (silly question probablly.. because he is kabutomaru thats why..)

[rb]

IIRC the summoning requires a human body as a sacrifice it doesn't matter which body as the technique allows the spirit to take their normal form while possessing the human body.

[phoenix31tt]

also that means that... it shouldnt matter if madara removed itachi's eyes after death right.. he should still have full use of his sharingan

[W1nTry]

So you think that Kabutomaru summoned the Sage of the Six paths? or is it that Madara isn't actually madara and he summoned the REAL madara... that seems more plausible.. but IF he DID sommon the sage... that's totally OMGWTFPWNAGE.... I mean other than those 2, who else would 'tobi' consider him a madman for summoning?

[UltimateGamer]

There are quite a few possibilites here. I like that kishi left it up to the imagination as he knows how rediculous fanboys get ... erhm i mean how passionate is fans get.

Sage of six paths ... 1 of 3 people madara will fear
Shodai Sama ... though summoned before by oro, the man who kicked his ass is sure to run chills up his spine
His brother ... you could see why he will react like this if his brother (who he allegedly loved but took his eyes off) came back to face him.

I was wondering if it could have been uchiha madara's body as the last, but edo tensei as rb rightly stated, uses any body and binds the soul to it. So unless Uchiha Madara is dead, then it is highly unlikely that it was him. Which is where the skeptics will say, well thats proof that "tobi" is not "madara". Well, its not because there is no proof that it was madara's body inside the final coffin, and until expressly stated by kishi, tobi will have to be madara for now (at least in my book) since it is mentioned multiple times throughout the manga.

I guess one day we might know who the final coffin holds. Now on the up side, naruto is finally going to learn to control that fox. It sure took 490+ chapters for that. But its about time. I still believe he could face sasuke without it, just in sage mode since the sharingan is supposed to have the power to surpress the fox. But now that he will have the mind of the fox blocked, does this mean that the sharingan will no longer be able to surpress the fox's chakra since its is no longer the fox per say? if you understand what i am trying to say...

[Forsakened]

I see a problem there if Naruto blocks the mind of the Kyuubi I think its going to become weaker in the sense that the unrivaled destructive force and the sense to annihilate all that stand in front of it replaced by Naruto and his care for others hhhmm I see a problem there it reminded me of when Bruce Banner gain control over the Hulk it was just not the same the power the rage was gone, same thing for Ang in Avatar when he gained control of the Avatar state the Avatar just seemed weaker.

[W1nTry]

Good point at Madara brother... when I said the body of Madara I didn't mean the LITERAL body, rather the resurrected form as the jutsu is as such. It could still be someone else altogether than we guessed... also I doubt its the 1st as both 1st and 2nd were sealed with Orochomaru's arms with the 3rd. so basically the way I see it, all of the Hokage's are sealed in the belly of the death god... which really SUCKS if you think about it... but hey the 4th did make an appearence so perhaps they get time off XD

[phoenix31tt]

the appearance the 4th made was just an imprint left in naruto's mind.. that wasnt really him.. so yes all the hokage's are supposed to be sealed

[rb]

If Kabuto could summon the Sage why would he want Sasuke though :S

[Crixx_Creww]

cause sasuke badder dan de sage duh