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Re: I hereby bury AMD and name my firstborn Intel
« Reply #40 on: July 04, 2006, 08:47:37 PM »
 good good... i  might be gettinga conroe around agaust.. probably one of the first gatters to have one , i'll post a review :) . Can only afford a 7600gt to go with it , but its a big step up from the 5200 i using now ... heres my planned rig :
  Conroe E6300 1.8ghz ( o/c to at least 2.1 ) :  184 US
   2 gigs DDR 2 667    : 130 US
   Asus P5b (budget model) : 160 Us
   EVGA 7600gt 256mb: 169US
  + shipping = 683
   = 4300 TT before taxes.. and potential unforseen inflation ?

 I already got a 24 pin , dual 12v PSU as i forsaw i would need it last year..  gonna wait till mid 2007 to get a 300 US R600 or G80....
   
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Re: I hereby bury AMD and name my firstborn Intel
« Reply #41 on: July 06, 2006, 04:08:50 PM »
Some not so good news about Conroe:
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Why i965 boards are in short supply

IDE and friends would help


By Charlie Demerjian: Thursday 06 July 2006, 09:47

THE WORD IS that Intel is having problems with i965 motherboards. The problem, however, isn't with the chipset itself, that part is doing well enough, but related to IDE, or lack thereof.
In a case of great timing, it seems that the ICH8 doesn't have IDE ports, and, well, there is a distinct lack of S-ATA optical drives out there. Now let me see, where have I heard that before? Ah yes, now I recall. Talk about timing.

One source tells us that Intel is roping Marvell into 'welding' a SATA/PATA PCI controller to the south bridge, something that is taking a lot of custom engineering. The problem is that the current version, the fifth, still won't boot a Linux or Windows install CD. Oops. In the irony of all ironies, Intel has to resort to using the Plextor SATA DVD drive to install an OS.

OK, funny as this is, in a "look at the stupid kid that jumped off a building and landed on his face" kind of way, there is a deeper lesson here. I keep ranting about how Intel screws their partners, and it bites them in the ass, and this is a prime example. If i965s are broken, then where do you turn? Via? Sis? ATI? NV? Hmm, the door was shut on them for the high end a while ago, and they certainly won't have parts ready for launch. Who does Intel turn to? That leaves, oh listen, you can hear crickets chirp on such a clear night.

Basically, there is no plan B anymore, and as AMD has pointed out with painful clarity recently, Intel stumbles on occasion when under duress. With no parts in the bank, tight timetables, and a gutted partner programme, when you slip, the only thing you get is knives in the back. The i965, fine chip though it may be, coupled with Conroe, fine chip though it is, would be a lot better off if it had a friend. µ

And then theres:
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Conroe may tip up motherboardless

I965 chippery late setting sail


By Fuad Abazovic: Wednesday 05 July 2006, 15:40

 WHEN MUCH-ANTICIPATED Conroe - or Intel Core 2 Duo, as Intel likes to call it these days - sees the light of day, there might be slight complications.
One complication goes under the label, motherboard volumes. Especially when talking about shiny new P965 motherboards.

Intel only shipped the first quantity of P965 chipsets two weeks ago and now the motherboard manufacturers, including the top one, are struggling to make the boards on time.

Intel already said that the new i975 revision of boards will support Conroe CPUs but Intel recommends, and sent out a reviews kit, with its latest, greatest P965 chipset.

There are only a few weeks left before the official introduction and the motherboard manufacturers are playing against time, as it takes up to two weeks to transport the final boards from China to Euroland and the USA. The big shipments of boards are always transported by boat as the plane costs too much.

Intel will need as many Conroe boards as it can get, as its new baby aims for instant movie-star success. µ

And in conjunction with the first:
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Conroe shows dodgy RAID performance anomalies

Overheads and slowdowns


By Theo Valich: Wednesday 05 July 2006, 16:24

 
     
 
 
 
 
PRELIMINARY CONROE results have been really impressive, but as time goes by and the platform gets tested in more and more environments, interesting things are popping up.
Right now, it seems that Intel has some serious problems when using RAID5 configuration. If you are using an Intel's own baby, D975XBX motherboard and put four drives in RAID5 array, an interesting overhead and a slowdown will occur on all upcoming Conroes.

We're talking about all the combinations, including Core 2 Duo E6300 with 2MB of L2 cache, E6700 with 4MB of L2 cache and the X6800 - Extreme Edition as well. An odd thing indeed.

When comparing the identical disk configuration several different combinations on AMD's side, nothing happens. We tried using with older Athlon 64 on an nForce4-SLI platform or the new ones, Athlon 64 5000+ and FX-62 on new Socket AM2 with both nForce 590SLI and CrossFire Xpress 3200 chipsets. Result? Works flawless, without any suspicious CPU overhead and so on. So, either we're crazy, or someone really screwed up in the SouthBridge department.

The performance in benchmarks is there, but the performance in real world isn't. While synthetic benchmarks will do the thing and show RAID5-worthy results, CPU utilisation will go through the roof no matter what CPU is used, and the hiccoughs will occur every now and then. It remains to be seen whether this can be fixed via BIOS or micro-code update. Or does Intel have a bigger problem at hand?

It seems to us that Intel's Core 2 is suffering from a specific overhead when on-board RAID controllers are used. If you're unfamiliar with current on-board RAID5 controllers, let's just say that they really look like soft-modems and soft-sound cards, utilising power of the CPU for everyday work.

I only wonder how will a two-meg cache Conroe work on a fully integrated motherboard, with Gigabit Ethernet, software-based sound-card – ever popular AC'97 codec and so on. Probably not as advertised. µ



I particularly laught at the part about screwing your partners...

WAIT WAIT I totally forgot this one:
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US government unit throws Intel out over RAID problems

IBM ServeRAID problem


By Theo Valich: Thursday 06 July 2006, 09:15

WHEN WE BROKE the story about Core 2 marchitecture problems with RAID configurations here, one of the things that interested us the most is the open question: RAID for Conroe isn't much of a deal, but is it a problem with the aarchitecture and could Woodcrest suffer from the same problems?
The answer was surprising and came far sooner than we'd expect. We have learned that the policy of Government Accountability Office (GAO), is very simple: all of systems have to pass a mandatory four-month operational test before any final contracts are awarded.

WoodCrest systems were delivered for an evaluation for one of the US government departments, and it all ended up in tears, with Woodcrest being rejected in the first round of trials. The reason was that there were severe problems when Woodcrest was paired with a 1E RAID field when using IBM ServeRAID controllers. The problems didn't occur just in benchmarking, it was the every-day usage model that produced unexpected errors.

Worse of all, several problematic situations occurred during the trial period and Intel was heavily criticised in internal memos, all ending up in a really unexpected manner. Since the company has allegedly been aware of the problems and didn't responded in a timely manner, the supply contract was then lost and awarded to a different product coming from a competing company, which passed the field test with flying colours. µ


I wonder who the COMPETING company was.... hmm.... i'll give you 2 guesses, its NOT via and its NOT Sun
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Re: I hereby bury AMD and name my firstborn Intel
« Reply #42 on: July 06, 2006, 11:44:04 PM »
w1ntry really pulled out all the stops on this one.

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Re: I hereby bury AMD and name my firstborn Intel
« Reply #43 on: July 07, 2006, 11:11:21 AM »
Well I am an AMD supporter but i've been giving conroe really good press, I thought to be fair 1 must also put the bad parts, it just happened to POUR when it rained this time daz all :p

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Re: I hereby bury AMD and name my firstborn Intel
« Reply #44 on: July 08, 2006, 01:32:09 PM »
  Conroe boards are popping up slowly , officially they'll be available in bulk  later this month, but several 965 based chipsets are about , plus 975 revisions that support conroe , and 945's modded to supoport it ( ASrock add in card) .
   

  Ehem wintry and his amd propoganda ... anyone want a conroe motherboard? head over here :

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=101408 : list of conroe supporting boards .

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16813128012



http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16813131589

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16813131025

http://www.tekheads.co.uk/s/product?product=605699
http://www.pcb.se/ItemInfo?itemId=199098369&itemName=DFI%20INFINITY%20975X/G%20Moderkort%20LGA%20775;jsessionid=qe6rp4dajq
http://www.pcsol.com.au/2ProdDetailSB.asp?code=10305593

 no shortage of conroe motherboards if you have money ,or trust gigabyte .
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Re: I hereby bury AMD and name my firstborn Intel
« Reply #45 on: July 10, 2006, 11:54:08 AM »
no shortage of conroe motherboards if you have money ,or trust gigabyte .
Uhmm... and this doesn't qualify as a shortage how? last I check the mainstream of any CPU manu is the low-middle end.... where's that 400USD Dell conroe? right....
what also interests me is that none of those are the 965 chipset.... isn't the 965 the newer of the 2? (965 vs. 975X) AND also, where are the conroe processors at newegg? none yet I JUST checked... a very quiet launch I suppose, but all the same I really waiting on a man to get one and hit we some benchies!!!
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Re: I hereby bury AMD and name my firstborn Intel
« Reply #46 on: July 10, 2006, 12:13:17 PM »
there is ONE 965 chipset board listed there... 2 revisions of the 965 ( one with dx9 sm 3.0 integ)  won't launch until conroe launches  , so a handful of 965 boards is to be expected . The 945 and VIA /Sis low end boards are also launching with , or after conroe..
   975x is supposed to be expensive , its the high end Crossfire chipset , meant for overclocking and mutli gpus ....
  Even if conroe boards and chips aren't available in bulk at launch , i doubt it will be a problem , n00bs will think the P4 is faster due to clock , and  most people will be buying the cheap dual cores intel will be giving away..  plus a sizable number of people already have conroe boards , and a few even have the chips themselves...
   There won't be a 400 dollar dell conroe until the end of the year , single core conroes for em...
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Re: I hereby bury AMD and name my firstborn Intel
« Reply #47 on: July 10, 2006, 01:29:32 PM »
isnt the launch date teh 14th

to coincide with the launch of superman returns in imax in europe

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Re: I hereby bury AMD and name my firstborn Intel
« Reply #48 on: July 10, 2006, 01:48:28 PM »
 thats ''paper launch'' date.. you'll get some chips and boards  and reviews, but prices gonna be out of spec . The hard launch when everyone will have stock will be around the 27th .
  i gonna wait till early agaust to get mine .
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