new macbooks , with core duo

[disciple]

guess it made sense to drop the 'powerbook' moniker, since they no longer usin PowerPc..

sounds kinda gay tho.. but the notebook itself looks pretty damn good..

http://www.apple.com/macbookpro/

on the homepage, the splash says " what's an intel chip doing in a mac?  A whole lot more than a PC" 

( giggle )

[TinyGrasshopper]

I don't have $2000 US hanging around. Once the low-end ibook/powerbooks roll around. then I'll start salivating. but 4x is pretty awesome...

[W1nTry]

Dread yuh should talk about teh iMacs too... I thin those will be wildly successful. I mean its as powerful as the more expensive laptop but there is a 700USD difference. I've always been a fan of apple seeing as it was my first computer and all, and I ALWAYS loved their attention to detail with their hardware. These are no different. A PC user mght think its kinda expensive but I don't yuh gettinga 17" Apple LCD (which is of excellent quality they screen have ALWAYS been great) yuh getting dual layer burner, dual core Yonah 1.8GHz, 512MB-1GB ram, it has a built in isight (webcam) the laptop has it too. It has decent graphics: X1600 and is silent. Not to mention IF you REALLY wanted to... and THATS A BIG IF!!! yuh could install Windows on it... *GASP the world is coming to an end* Oh btw you get the beauty of Apple's OS X on it. Its stable, makes windows look like an antiquated garbage can with its Aqua interface and its faster I am sure. Its a DEFINITE good buy and its built on UNIX which means you could recompile Linux/Unix apps to work on it. And well, like I said you can install windows in case u wanna run more games....

[TinyGrasshopper]

the macbook pro doesn't have dual layer burner, and of course, regardless linux will run on it.

edit: actually maybe not
http://www.betanews.com/article/XP_Wont_Run_on_Intel_MacBook_iMac/1137003330
Apparently the core duos don't boot using a traditional bios but an extensible firmware interface(EFI)(??) and xp doesn't support this. xp64bit does since the EFI is already in the itanium but macs are 32bit. Vista will support it. The standard is supposed to be open, so i guess linux will get there.

[W1nTry]

Umm last I checked the latest OS X revision (Tiger) was 64-bit, but hey I could be wrong. I mean why make ur OS 64-bit capable when ur hardware WAS (ALL G5) 64-bit capable from its inception a year ago.... that's just me...

[TinyGrasshopper]

Apple's Intel Tiger is only 32bit

[disciple]

yeh.. it's 32 bit, cuz Core Duo is 32bit

tiger for PowerPC was the first 64bit( apparently OSX up to panther was 32 bit) , however, so you are right wintry

[W1nTry]

yeh.. it's 32 bit, cuz Core Duo is 32bit

tiger for PowerPC was the first 64bit( apparently OSX up to panther was 32 bit) , however, so you are right wintry

Well in any event when Merom or Conroe come out in Q2 and Q3 of this year they should be iAMD64 or as intel calls it, EMT64 ready, Apple should already have the 64-bit port of Tiger if they don't already have it.

[disciple]

true..

but here's the thing...apple didnt HAVE to release with core duo...   their original plan as to release the first intel notebooks around the Q2.. ( which would have been in time for merom ) but they rushin these out the door for Feb..

to me, it woulda make sense to go 64bit one time, cuz, as you said wintry, they already had a 64 bit OS..

so now developers hadda release 32 bit vers of the software, then later on next year, 64 bit..  ( in all fairness tho...  there arent any KILLER native 64 bit apps.. so they probably takin baby steps with the whole intel process, to give the devs time to adjust to coding intel after all those years of powerpc)

i dunno wah steve playin at but i hope it doh backfire

[TinyGrasshopper]

I guess when it boils down to it. it's all about the cheaper faster chips. And he's gotten that.

edit: okay maybe they might run xp after all (http://www.apcmag.com/apc/v3.nsf/0/64E7EA353646669ECA2570F50012430B)

[disciple]

well, apple hasn't historically been really known for selling a commodity( read:cheap and affordable) product..is only recently with the mac mini and the ipod shuffle they caterin for us po' coloured folk..

even if they may not run XP, they most prob will run Vista... rem, Apple as a hardware company is no serious threat to MS.. if people buy a mac, and ditch OSX( while buyin a license for vista, MS benefits..even if they don;t, indirectly, by being locked into the windows world, it perpetuates the monopoly they currently have on the desktop..

now before you go an say  wha's the point of buyin a expensive machine, when one can be had for a cheaper price..

i would say, thas the same reason why BMWs will STILL  sell, doh mind u could buy a B15

 they both get u the same place..
think about it.. and is not a matter of 'neverseecomesee'...

( i eh no mac user, but if i coulda afford a powerbook.. is there i goin! ). you could say i's a lemming.. but why doesnt eveyone drive a Kingswood?


but to get to the original point.. yuh doh want to alienate your developers by makin ish harder than it should be....; time and time again, we have seen that lack of 3rd party devs has been the downgfall of many a platform... OS/2, Amiga,.. hell , even consoles, with the last two Sega consoles, NEC's Turbografix, Jaguar, etc..

case in point. the Saturn was a powerful system, but apparently it was hard as A$$ to program.. and sega's track record at that point was less than stellar for supporting .. OS/2 Warp  was powerful and crashed less than 3.1 ( and supposedly 95)  , but it required a major paradigm shift ( while 95  was a more natural progression)

you could have a BEST platform, but if u have no 3rd party support, u up a creek wit no paddle

[W1nTry]

Very well said Disciple. But yuh forget 1 thing. Yuh up creek without a paddle unless yuh have a niche which I would say apple has had and still has.

[disciple]

lol
true , true..
the 'cult of mac' is stronger than ever these days.....

thinking about it, the main devs for apple are 1)apple themselves  2) adobe and 3) MS .. yup..  MS..

and i doh think any of them will have a prob with x86 code

i guess everyone else will follow suit..

[W1nTry]

The devil and the Deep 4 coloured view through paned glass are sleeping together again:

Microsoft and Apple in OS plotting, claim

Vole and Jobs' Mob beaver away on Virtual PC

By Nick Farrell: Monday 16 January 2006, 06:23
REDMOND giant Microsoft, and maker of entertainment gear Apple, are apparently working on a cunning plan to emulate Windows on the new MacInteltoshes.

According to MacNN, Vole had to redevelop a new version of the Windows emulation application because Rosetta emulation software which allowed older Power PC programs to run on the MacInteltoshes doesn't work.

A spokesApple said the outfit would wait on receipt of the new shipping machines to better evaluate Virtual PC for Intel-Macs as well the final release date of Mac Office and Messenger for Intel-Macs.

Microsoft says that using Windows-based applications on Macs was important to its customers, and it was working with Apple to figure out the best way to bring this technology to Intel-based Macs.

[disciple]

study apple get labelled ' maker of entertainment gear'..

i know d ipod selling like doubles after a fete, buh oh  gorm, boy.. LOL

[Beomagi]

The only problem with their slogan is it's not doing more yet. They lose a lot of power using Rossetta, Universal binaries i cant complain about, cept i just wonder if they're using a derived gcc or the intel compiler which is actually pretty nice for optimization. The book is nice - and if it can run vista, i may consider it for sheer sex appeal.

I think the Mac community gives themselves a bad name when they let their zealots out though.
one site decided to compare a core duo mac notebook to a dell
Well, in short, the main hardware was something like this (at the start)
reviewer configured both to the same price -
screen : mac -15.4, Dell 17
video : mac - x1600, Dell - 7800go
harddrive : mac - 100gb 5400rpm, Dell - 100gb, 7200rpm
same cpu and ram.

From the start the review was off - the dell is a DTR system obviously - i mean 17" screen?
when the 7200rpm advantage was neglected, that was just plain wrong. when you pick a DTR and general laptop to compare portability, weight, and batterylife, it's obvious what's going to happen. And finally when you proclaim that ati's x1600 (not even the xt, the crappier slower model!) is better than the 7800go (which can leave my 6800gt behind) you need to stop doing reviews. Not having pcmcia (hello!) but having a new express34 format BEFORE cards are shipping isn't a good idea either.

They've been under a lot of pressure from negative posts on their review to the point when they were just updating their review often, modifying it as people jumped on it. Bad journalism when you're public is telling you what to write.

It's sad when they do this - it only serves to drive the pc crowd farther from the mac.
To make matters worse, they sent a letter to a prominent tech news source, requesting a showdown, to which they didn't waste time printing to the public.

[disciple]

hm.. well. every side has its zealots, yes..   

have some men who believe closed source == devil's work

i read that they used the intel compiler , when they made their 'up to 4X faster than g4' statement.. doh mind before they were usin the gcc compiler when doin comparisons with the powerpc

[TinyGrasshopper]

from listening to the twit folks(http://www.twit.tv) it sounds like a blazing fast machine. This can only help apple. No doubt about it.

[Crixx_Creww]

4x the power of a g4??? Holy Shnikies!!!

a dual core yonah! sweeet!!!
os x!!! OMFGGGGGGG that sucks..



roarrrrrr
i assume its an intel board? what chipset is it does anyone know?

[disciple]

hmm... no one knows for sure yet, or those who know, not sayin..

a lot of people speculate that it uses the 945 ( which supposedly already supports EFI, the BIOS replacement ).. we go find out fuh sure in feb

os x!!! OMFGGGGGGG that sucks..

boo on crixx !! LOL