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Re: ATI Crossfire, and answer to Nvidia SLI
« Reply #20 on: July 08, 2005, 10:56:39 PM »
 Crossfire should be able to work with any pair of cards,  just split the screen into 16-32 sectors , and divide them according to what each card can handle , eg. an X300 would handle 12 , and the X700 20 .  It doesn't need any special motherboard as the cards are not communicating between one another , just producing segments of the same image that are put together by the two DVI outputs , so it should work on any board with two PCI-X outputs , ATI , NVidia or intel . 
  Though ATI is seriously sticking in launching this and multi gpu cards ,  it would be the comeback to a 7800gtx , for the same price of a geforce 7800 , you get  a dual X800 XT card that would do 9000-10 000 3dmark 05 , they would save face till the R520 comes out .
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Re: ATI Crossfire, and answer to Nvidia SLI
« Reply #21 on: July 08, 2005, 11:38:49 PM »
Whoa!

Those are some scary figures.

Though I wouldn't dare put two X850s in one machine without first buying 49% shares in T&TEC.

but damn, power iwmc.

7800GTX better watch it's back.

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Re: ATI Crossfire, and answer to Nvidia SLI
« Reply #22 on: July 11, 2005, 09:00:14 AM »
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Re: ATI Crossfire, and answer to Nvidia SLI
« Reply #23 on: July 11, 2005, 10:44:37 AM »
Actually Trini, ATI is NOT releasing corssfire to the public till "FUDO" is ready. So don't expect to see crossfire showing itself too soon.

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Re: ATI Crossfire, and answer to Nvidia SLI
« Reply #24 on: July 11, 2005, 10:59:35 AM »
 wintry, would any board with 2 pci X slots work ? and any video cards? or must they be a matched pair and an ATI board ?  I'm looking to get a DFI nforce 4 board with 2 pci - x slots , it doesn't 'officially' support SLI but a simple mod can make it , plus it has great overclockability and is fairly cheap .
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Re: ATI Crossfire, and answer to Nvidia SLI
« Reply #25 on: July 11, 2005, 11:38:47 AM »
The verdict on what platform Crossfire will work on is not out yet. We know that ATI is readying new chipsets to launch with the Xfire setup leads me to believe that it will infact REQUIRE an ATI chipset to work. I read another article not too long ago that leads me to believe this as opening up the market like that would hurt their own chipset sales. Plus Nvidia is working now to do just that points in the direction of hurting ATI. So take it as closed architecture for now.

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Re: ATI Crossfire, and answer to Nvidia SLI
« Reply #26 on: July 11, 2005, 01:45:53 PM »
uhh iam sorry
but i am utterly unimpressed

why am i supposed to be impressed?
dual 850xts or watevers do only 10k in 2k5??

lollllll ahahah
dual 6600gts do 12k so why de fork i supposed to be impressed by this?
HAHHAAH
WEAAKKKK ATIII AHAHAHAHHA

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Re: ATI Crossfire, and answer to Nvidia SLI
« Reply #27 on: July 11, 2005, 02:30:23 PM »
ACtually the dual 6600GT is below 5k in 3DMark2005 crixx.... look carefully again. Maybe u meant to say the Dual 7800GTX is doing 12K + and the special versions say the watercooled Gainward goldens can do 15K+ I hear.

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Re: ATI Crossfire, and answer to Nvidia SLI
« Reply #28 on: July 11, 2005, 04:40:23 PM »
no

there is a pair of xfx water cooled 6600gts that crack 12000 in 3dmark 2k5

they held the world record for a while

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Re: ATI Crossfire, and answer to Nvidia SLI
« Reply #29 on: July 11, 2005, 04:47:03 PM »
Boy crixx hook we up with a link or some screens from dat rig nah!

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Re: ATI Crossfire, and answer to Nvidia SLI
« Reply #30 on: July 11, 2005, 05:06:35 PM »
 possible that crixx is right , dual 6600gts OVERLCLOCKED to  700-800mhz may be able to pull off 10 k , but not any normal dual 6600gt , ONE 6600gt only does 3500 3dmark 2005 , two would do less than 7000 .
   We are already in Q3 05, the R500 series cards will be out in a month or two, the top of the line card is rumoured to break 10 k 3dmark 05 by itself , seeing that the 7800 GTX barely makes it to 7500 the ATI's will definately be faster , having 32 pipes with the ATI while the Nvidia only 24 . Also the ati card will be working with an even more efficient architecture with SM 3.0 etc.  , rather than just a revamped older architecture in the G70 series .
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Re: ATI Crossfire, and answer to Nvidia SLI
« Reply #31 on: July 12, 2005, 07:50:19 AM »
Well although that sounds partly right, considering ATI just re-taped out the GPU AGAIN for like the 2nd or 3rd time cause yields were HORRIFIC I suspect that they will release the 32 pipeline card IF they absolutely have to and it will be a paper launch rather than an actual full release as Nvidia managed to pull off successfully. But if they can get the 24 pipeline card to best the 7800GTX then they may well launch with that and save the 32 as their trump card. I doh think it will make much diff having the top spot if availability is poor cause then it'll be like their X800XT Plat cards which were like a hens tooth. Plus Nvidia is holding off the Ultra version of thier cards just in case a 24 pipe card comes out that bests their GTX. Now factor in availability and cost. I think Nvidia has the upper hand even if they lose the performance crown which more of a given than a possibility.

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Re: ATI Crossfire, and answer to Nvidia SLI
« Reply #32 on: July 12, 2005, 08:14:25 AM »
Here's a lil more on that:
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R520 tape-out number three was successful

'Fudo' rocks at high speed

By Fuad Abazovic: Tuesday 12 July 2005, 08:40
IT TOOK ATI three tape-outs of R520 silicon to make it right but it turned out to be third time lucky.

The first R520 silicon worked at high speeds but only few chips worked, we hear. Wafers are expensive and each costs roughly $3000 and if only 20 chips work from your wafer that will make a production costs of that chip enormously big. You need a better number to make more money. We heard those numbers a while back and we believe that this is how much Nvidia or ATI has to pay for each wafer.

We wrote about this here and we have to remind you that Jen Hsun of Nvidia told the world that Geforce series, at least one of them, cost Nvidia $400 million to develop. That is serious money but for that money you will get all chips from mobile to desktop and workstation but than again its not that easy to earn $400 million and to make a profit on top, knowing that average sales price of one chip is $27, if I remember correctly.

The same business model can be applied to ATI, as both companies are manufacturing its chips at the same TSMC fab.

We already said that R520 is to work at more than 600MHz but we believe this number is going to go even higher.

We strongly believe that ATI doesn’t have any other choice than to go for a hard launch and, if that happens, you won’t see any Fudo R520s before September. This will give Nvidia a pure lead of two and a half months before ATI reshapes and releases its new cards.

Don’t forget that Nvidia has a G70 Ultra up its sleeve, but this is still to come.

600MHz.... wow thats kinda fast....

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Re: ATI Crossfire, and answer to Nvidia SLI
« Reply #33 on: July 12, 2005, 11:46:39 AM »
 600mhz times 32 pipes  =19200 megapixels  ATI
vs 460mhz times 24 pipes =11040 megapixels Nvidia
 ATI has 57% more raw pixel power ..... therefore ati ownz j00 ! 
   likely ATI will release 24 pipe models 100 US or more cheaper than the 7800GTX or top end R500 ...  which will be clocked at a similar speed  or higher .
 24 times 600mhz =   14400  : still faster than nvidia... and also a 16 pipe card for  around 200-250 US or even less....     
  16 x 600mhz = 9600 megapixels.... with a little overclocking nvidia is owned yet a gain.....

 Can you say pawnt?  i can .
   After all these failed tape outs ATI will probably have a pile of half good chips , so we will see tons of 24 and 16 pipe cards that may be soft modable to 32 pipes with extreme luck ...... 6800 all over again, except with a red PCB this time .
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Re: ATI Crossfire, and answer to Nvidia SLI
« Reply #34 on: July 12, 2005, 12:08:22 PM »
Fat chance ATI will put out a 24 pipe card cheaper than Nvidia, not to mention I doubt even though I just read the 3rd tape out is sucessful it will still depend on TSMC to deliver in enough quantities which its already doing for Nvidia. The green machine is also holding out its Ultra version where it may well ramp clocks to match so doh rule it out. Nvidia is FAR from being pwned right now. Who's to say they haven't been working on a 32pipe variant just in case? I am sure whatever ATI throws at them, they will have an answer. Besides the top end is just bragging rights, its the middle and lower tier that counts and Nvidia is kicking ATI's @$$ right now, since ATI turned in some disappointing figures for last quarter.

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Re: ATI Crossfire, and answer to Nvidia SLI
« Reply #35 on: July 13, 2005, 08:23:01 AM »
more stuff:
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ATI's Crossfire to arrive in August

Multi rendering in action

By Fuad Abazovic: Wednesday 13 July 2005, 10:34
BOARDS ARE getting readied, ATI is working on drivers and trying to produce enough master graphic cards and slowly but surely is getting ready to launch its answer to SLI. Yes it’s almost a year late, but still ATI can offer many things that Nvidia failed to offer with its implementation.

Nvidia offers stable drivers that will work in most of the games, is getting toward release 80 drivers and has the fastest SLI platform powered with two 7800GTX cards. Nvidia is catching up on some of the ideas as ATI has introduced some very interesting features and ways of rendering.

The key question remains. When will ATI be ready to release its Crossfire platform? Last time we asked some knowledgeable people we got a clear answer that we should see some final motherboards, drivers and graphic cards sometime in August.

You may be able to see some beta hardware and drivers before that but as we suggested back in April and May, ATI will first release Crossfire and then will follow up with R520 or should we say with two R520 boards breaking some 3Dmark 05 records.

It is taking ATI some time to master its Crossfire platform, motherboards, graphic cards and drivers, but knowing the amount of scepticism in ATI we believe that this platform won't be launched until it irons out all of the known bugs in hardware and in software.

SLI is surely getting some competition for late Q3, but choosing a graphic card or multi rendering platform is like a religion. You are either ATI or Nvidia and you won't make the move for nothing. This of course can be applied to mainstream or high end market as those users actually know what are they getting while in low end you are getting the nicer box and better features that you don’t know anything about, mostly.

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CROSSFIRE IS HERE!
« Reply #36 on: July 27, 2005, 03:35:44 PM »
yes i know it is unbelievable so soon but confirmation that atis cards are here
to be in retail stores soon anyone else that has info post it here!
ill post more when i get the rest of info disevning :ph34r:



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Re: CROSSFIRE IS HERE!
« Reply #37 on: July 27, 2005, 04:22:23 PM »
umm... merged....

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Re: ATI CROSSFIRE
« Reply #38 on: July 27, 2005, 04:25:55 PM »
oops my bad was to exicited ^^



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Re: ATI CROSSFIRE
« Reply #38 on: July 27, 2005, 04:25:55 PM »

 


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