Why i hate Lineage , Wow and alll those other MMO's

[TrinireturnofGamez]

    Many MMORPGS lack competitive gameplay , rather it is replaced by a system that rewards those who play these games the longest ,rather than skilled players, in an FPS game someone can hop in halfway and still have the highest frags at the end , but in many  an MMORPG the person who was there first and played the longest will be stronger than anyone else due to his 'stats' .  To me this  makes no sense , the whole point of many MMORPG's is to become more powerful by doing monotonous tasks repeatedly eg. ' Kill 10 bandits and return their red sashes for a reward '  or just walking through the forest/ asteroid field and killing all the wildlife , ( www.darkspace.net , space has wildlife :p ) , to gain more XP/ money etc.
    I much prefer a fun game , maybe an MMORPG with based on hand to hand combat A la TEKKEN or an FPS or strategy game , but wandering aimlessly isn't fun to me.  What drives an offline RPG is the story, and the need to find out what happens at the end , but an online RPG usually lacks drive , the only 'fun' thing would be interacting with other players and completing tasks together , or to form clans that  gather regurlarly to help each other out . 
     Of course some games break the mold and allow new players to actually be competitive against older ones eg. Guild wars , but they still have the same monotonous gameplay as Wow , Lineage , everquest and countless others !
    I would much rather play a game like counterstrike or battlefield online   ,  where the GAMEPLAY keeps you  playing , not the need to reach level 60 ! Until MMORPG's aquire better gameplay or something else  to give them drive eg. Shattered galaxy or Darkspace , where you have to defend your race's territory from attacks by aliens and hordes of rebels , but both games have the aspect 'leveling up'  that i find so desipicable .


http://www.actiontrip.com/features/skillandmmorpgs.phtml

In reality, the very nature of RPGs goes against the idea that the most skillful players are the ones receiving the most accolades. For one, there is no level playing field. One guy may be decked out with epic armor because he plays the game all day long, and the other may have very ordinary equipment, as he has a job, a family, etc. If we suppose that both of these players have the same amount of knowledge about their class and the class they are facing, and sufficient level of motor skills (nothing out of the ordinary mind you), then there is a strong chance that the guy with the better stats will win. His advantage is based on calculations by the game of the inputted stats, rather than his skills. And even if the other guy wins, it just could be that the random factor in these calculations (a number of critical hits, or resists per match), may tip in his favor, giving him an edge. All the while, however, an unordinary level of skill is not a factor in this Player vs. Player conflict. And even if it is *a* factor, it’s far from being *the* factor.
In simpler terms, being an ordinary MMORPG player, I could certainly win at least a number of matches against the supposedly best player in all the land, and that is certainly not something I could hope to do against Fatal1ty, being an ordinary player.

[TriniXaeno]

beautiful post and a powerful topic.

Let me first say that most mmorpgs are designed precisely to appeal to the crowd that want to earn their stripes by hours played than by skill. It is a winning model for the companies that run the games and lucky for then, a ton of people fit into that category.

While you may thrive off fierce competition from relative newbies to your game of choice, others find this an annoyance.

Why should some young whipper snapper, only 2 days into the game, stand a chance against a two year veteran?

They shouldn't, and that is where MMORPGs stand out.

No way a 2 day newbie level 2 could defeat a level 60 Paladin in World of Warcraft. He has earned his right to be called Daddy and it won't be taken away by slight of hand or quickness of wrist. lol

The gameplay design, while getting a bit more strategic nowadays, still largely revolves around your stats.

It isn't so much about skill.

Same goes for standard RPGs and that genre also has quite a few fans! lol

Personally, I love both styles. I'm big on skill light RPGs and big on skill heavy FPS/RTS/Fighting etc...

Both have their pros and cons.

It isn't unusual for some button smashing 7 year old to wtfpwn a skilled Soul Calibur 2 player.

but all that said, the biggest draw of MMORPGs, is as you said, the people themselves.

IT is like a massive 3D instant messenger where you can do a ton of cool stuff. Hook up with chicks or just beat up some monsters. Social gaming at it's best. Co-op heaven.

My experience with World of Warcaft beta sold me on the concept totally. The real show stopper for me though, is the amount of time required to truly participate in the world.

* [X]-Baego dreams of winning lotto. Quit day job no jutsu and become the dreadest Paladin in WoW ever.

[pleb]

see its for reasons like this trini has -48 chakra
he cant go around dissing mmorpg's like this
im surprised fans of mmorpg's have not come and cuss him up yet
like baego said its more to develop team skills than anything else
its more to explore the parallel dimension of the internet

[TrinireturnofGamez]

 its the reason why I hate those games  i'm not dissing the game i'm just stating my  personal opinion ,  i actually do play some MMO's , Shattered galaxy is tons of fun and a total N00b can actually help in the battle against older players , even if it is just by sending his units in to be slaughtered it helps others suvive , and there are few penalties for loosing alot of your men .
   MMO's are highly social yea , but arguably so are normal online games , Counterstrike is also   social , when your dead you have to wait for the round to finish and have tons of time to talk ,also people will frequent the same server /servers usually and thus a relationship will develop between those people    .
      Its just my opinion ,  i shouldn't be victimised for it :p some people can't stand FPS or RTS games and prefer GTA clones where they run around mindlessly killing , or racing games like Juiced or NFS. 

[Kaizen]

wtf O_o i taught u hate it cause u hadda pay to playXD

[TriniXaeno]

yeah, but normal multiplayer games are no where near as "social" as MMORPGs.

It's not even a contest.

[TrinireturnofGamez]

lol paying is a factor to , i have no problem with wandering aimlessly chatting once in awhile but having to PAY to do it... when other games are more enjoyable and FREE eg .shattered galaxy.

[Kaizen]

1 thing allyuh forget in the argument NOT EVERYONE LIKE FPS, XD
and i admit mmorpg is addicting for the chat and the community fps ca reach near that unless u in clan buisness ..not even strategy games <cause u ca really chat and build alot unless u looking for death>
i am playing city of heroes 8 mths now love love love it!

[Beomagi]

yet it's the reason why many love rpgs.

It's rewarding to know that yourcharacter can get better - albeit with a ceiling - over time. It's a MAJOR draw to games like say, diablo 2, where over time, your character levels up (do you hate that concept?) "earns" more gear. It's the defining characteristic of ANY rpg.

the answer lies in the very name given to the number governing stats - "experience" .  It's what makes those games so addictive. People can spend years on a game like that. How long can you spend playing tekken?

You simply fail to see the "aim" of those games, you fail to understand what drives people in them.  A good rpg online or not, would have the player work at stratagy, outfit the character for the circumstances, and they can be quite compeditive. Competition between players in ability at pvm, and if your concern is pvp, players usually compete at their own level.

[Bsensei]

Firstly I just wanna say hoss... "coodles" for taking on such a big challenge, while I respect your position I have to state that you are etremely lucky the hard core MMORPGers are too busy sweating to post here. Anyhoo to the topic at hand, I am a person that never liked RPGs, the whole final fantasy Zelda ish never appealed to me. Only RPG I played was Mario Brothers (cause all i could have afforded was a Super nintendo )

But I must say, i have tried a few (2 lol) MMORPGs and I have been totally captivated by Lineage2, and for you to come and totally attack Lineage 2 first I must say, stfu . Secondly my question to you is have you played any of the MMORPGs that you are persecuting? If not I say again STFU... If you have then I would believe that you cannot say that you have nothing positive to say about any of them that you have played.

I played Lineage2 from late closed beta and reach a grand lvl 8 , but then i see men on lvl 18 and ting i was like buh wdmc... and many viewed it as a monotonous game... the strong minded crixxtachi being one, he said in these words

"lineage is sh!t, i aint playing da ish"

Then one day bourbon_ghost sat by him and played it... he was like "lemme kill a spider dey"...... 2hours later.. "mm this game is still sh!t eh".... 2 hours later..."iight it ok but it cah touch guild wars.."

A couple weeks later guild wars... yay .... 2 weeks later..... "i wanna hit lvl 40 in lineage". Hoss de game is addictive, not because u cannot run and gun at everything doesnt mean a game is not fun. In life you cannot run and gun at everyhing, stratergies must be formulated and you must find a way to prevail over all obstacles.

Touching on where u say these games mostly dont need and skills but rather who play the game longer.... err....isnt that the case for all games? A 2 week old lap let cannot beat a 2year old veteran in SOF2 as baego rightfully said.

Dont make it sound like MMORPGs are all about  hours played, not saying it is a major part but any noob without a life cant just pick up the game and excel with no sense of gaming talant, because for example in lineage, a low levl character can easily own someone that is at a higher level than them if you execute you skills better than them...its all about how u play the game.. hoss alli hadda tell you play one of the lineage free test servers...kill some men and see if thats not fun... www.l2extreme.com go and register and tell me if das not fun.. it free so it should fit into your budget.

[Crixx_Creww]

well i read de first line of his post and den disregarded it as another stupid trini post
minus his chakura and move on.
BUT

decided to come back an trow een a lil 2 cents.

One thing bout the social aspect yu missssed entirely was the fact that yes cs is social

but unlike lineage and other mmorpgs, in cs yu dont have a character tha is YOURS.

In lineage yu manifest yur personality traits and wishful talents into yur character.
Alot of aspects of mmorpgs are skilled based and the rewards are stats and just general improvements for your character.

Yu put yur time and effort into yur character and yu begin to love it.

You get a level 75 SH in lineage, and yu know you are gonna own.
Not simply because it took yu forever to reach 75
but because yu know yur class is just uber and after all that time, yuve learned how to battle really well.

Yuve gotten some skill , yu not gonna let some noob archer own yu

[justinkoo]

people one thing i need to clear up can u play World of Warcraft offline or like not on a server?

[Crixx_Creww]

no
its online only play justin

[pleb]

alright your points have been proven i guess its time to lock this topic so no more ppl can spam example trinimc (we dont care that you dont like a genre its your loss not ours )

[TriniXaeno]

Just to throw a bone for Justin, you can play WoW on a LAN with a private server. Far from legal though. Blizzard will prolly send in a squad of ninja's to kill you and your dog for doing it.

They have attacked and brought down most sites that hosted the Private Lan Server files.

Count yourself lucky (and soon to be dead) if you can find it and get it working. lol