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Re: 7800GTX
« Reply #40 on: July 09, 2005, 02:30:06 AM »
Pressura...but he raised an interesting question in the end there...I'm curious to hear the explanation myself.

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Re: 7800GTX
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Re: 7800GTX
« Reply #41 on: July 09, 2005, 08:06:55 PM »
hmm

how much MS paying them for the chips, versus , how much they gonna make off of releasing the r520

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Re: 7800GTX
« Reply #42 on: July 09, 2005, 09:13:16 PM »
MS owns the intellectual property on the chips this time around, they learnt their lesson from the original Xbox where they were locked into a contract with nVidia as the sole provider of their gfx cards, and have made sure that this rounds they can take the design to any fab of their choice to run off how many they need, when they need them. However, from what the guys says in that article, it would seem that MS still contracted ATI to provide the initial shipment of cards...but I doubt if ATI is making a huge margin on the cards compared to if they were pumping out and selling their R520...but I could be wrong, as I don't have any hard figures to look at.

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Re: 7800GTX
« Reply #43 on: July 13, 2005, 03:12:54 PM »
I know some think the 7800GTX isn't as fast as it should be for a next gen part, but there's a really nice article on techreport.com aobut very high res gaming - the 7800GTX rips the other cards to shreds at 2048x1536, while making maxed out gaming playable at that res.

here's the ati favouring half life benchmark for the most dramatic difference.
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Re: 7800GTX
« Reply #44 on: July 13, 2005, 09:10:29 PM »
Wonderful Post

but come on man,

who REALLY cares about 2048x1536 res? And I don't mean this as a personal attack. It's just that 99% of the gaming population won't use that res.

I am far more interested in performance at practical resolutions that don't require a NASA built monitor to run. lol

But more and more, we see uber high res performance being quoted as the hallmark of graphics pwnage.

Gimme 1024x768 & 1280x1024 Max AA and AF figures.

If a "next gen" card doesn't deliver any significant improvements there, then it is a waste of money.

my $0.45 cents.

That said, the 7800 GTX does wtfpwn at those resolutions, while being easy on the PSU and ambient temperature of your living space. Earning it maintains paternal rights to me and my children.

Daddy imc.

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Re: 7800GTX
« Reply #44 on: July 13, 2005, 09:10:29 PM »

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Re: 7800GTX
« Reply #45 on: July 13, 2005, 09:20:48 PM »
true most of us can't afford a 1500 dollar monitor to reach that resolution anyhow, plus alot of people now are moving to LCD displays that have a 'native resolution' that you don't really want to go above .
   but serious ownage....... nvidia did there homework, even if the 7800 doesn't have  much more raw power  its extremely efficient .
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Re: 7800GTX
« Reply #46 on: July 13, 2005, 10:49:21 PM »
and efficiency is a desirable trait for such a high end part.

I am sure we all remember the ineffecient Voodoo 6000 that required a heavy duty car battery and a radiator to achieve benchmark bustin' 3d performance.

lol

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Re: 7800GTX
« Reply #47 on: July 16, 2005, 12:08:05 AM »
true most of us can't afford a 1500 dollar monitor to reach that resolution anyhow, plus alot of people now are moving to LCD displays that have a 'native resolution' that you don't really want to go above .

a 22" dimondtron tube monitor can be acquired here for $150 us.
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Re: 7800GTX
« Reply #48 on: July 16, 2005, 04:23:18 AM »
$900.00? for a 22" monitor?

you kiddin me right?

That is like the shipping cost alone to get one of those here from the states. lol

If that is the price, landed in Trinidad, brand new with warranty, I'll take two, tomorrow.

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Re: 7800GTX
« Reply #49 on: July 16, 2005, 09:27:25 AM »
lol i running a 21 inch monitor  now , baego the AOC you sell me exploded !
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Re: 7800GTX
« Reply #50 on: July 16, 2005, 10:59:46 AM »
lol @ exploded. AOC is a good brand, they don't usually explode.

How did you manage that? Set your graphics card on the "Blow Me Away" setting?

You sellin that 21" for TT$900.00 landed? Cause I want two.

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Re: 7800GTX
« Reply #51 on: July 17, 2005, 09:31:48 PM »
ebay man. unfortunately i dont have the space in my place for em, but i get em fairly often for friends when they're building their rigs. Haven't ever tried exporting a monitor to trinidad so i dont know about the cost. how are you planning to get your computers for the SnS? container?
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Re: 7800GTX
« Reply #52 on: July 18, 2005, 08:45:15 AM »
Just an update:
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R520 frequency goes to 700+ MHz

Depends on the yields

By Fuad Abazovic: Monday 18 July 2005, 13:06
WE DISCOVERED that ATI wants the R520 to clock at 700 MHz clock or even higher but it's still undecided as it's too early to decide on the final number. The chip is taped out and in acceptably good shape.

It still has some time so it won't release those chips in August - it aims to introduce and ship the cards toward the very end of Q3.

We reported a while back that R520 chips are aimed to work at 600+ MHz but it seems that this number might finish closer to 700+ MHz if the numbers are good, and after the third re-spin, the numbers are good. Some chips will work at even higher frequencies, much more than 700 MHz.

Two of our knowledgeable and unlinked contacts suggested that R520 might actually have only sixteen fragment pipelines but will be able to fight Nvidia with its ultra higher clock but this is something that we cannot confirm at this stage. We previously suggested that R520 will end up with 24 or even more pipelines but we are advised that companies are counting pipelines differently and that now it's all programmable.

Nvidia still has a huge advantage as it's happy with numbers and is shipping quantities of its Geforce 7800GTX even people are rather spending money on vacations now than on graphic cards. It will pick it up at the last week of August at the back to school time and Nvidia will be there to cash it while ATI will be a few weeks late for that. The fight continues.

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Re: 7800GTX
« Reply #53 on: July 18, 2005, 08:59:09 AM »
An even more interesting update:
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Nvidia's G71 is also dual slot

Two upcoming 3D kings filling up neighbouring slot

By Theo Valich: Saturday 16 July 2005, 08:03
THE GREEN Goblin and his minions were very worried about their answer to upcoming R520 monster from the jolly Canadians. You see, G71 is the secret code name for a green answer to red danger. The PCB on which G71 chip resides is almost identical to the one used in GeForce 7800GTX, with the only thing really changing the cooling and number of memory modules, of course.

After the company from Satan Clara learned that R520 is going to use dual slot copper cooling in X850XT Press Edition-style, it gave the green light to the engineers that are trying to make the board to break every speed record set by Nvidia's G70 and ATU's R520 - OC gurus such as Macci and Oppainter excluded, of course.

The "Faster G70", which is how the G71 is being called internally now, targets almost insane clock speeds. We have learned that several boards achieved a clock speed of 800MHz, which just goes to prove that tweaks being done in 110nm G71 core will make R520 tremble, and force ATI to respond with its 32-pipe R580 as soon as possible. However, we have to warn you that we haven't been able to find out in what environment this clockspeed was achieved. But it was achieved using new and improved two-slot cooling, not water or phase-change cooling.

On prototype boards, cooling solution is separated in two halves, with nicely sized 72 or 80mm fan in the middle. Both halves feature large number of aluminium fins, through which two heat pipes lead the heat from the center block (hidden under the fan) which covers the GPU completely. Also, background of the board is identical to the one found on 7800GTX (plastic "heatspreaders" on GDDR-3 memory, plastic stabilizator on to release strain on the PCB).

So, to sum what we know about G71, possibly dubbed the 7800 Ultra:

- 110nm process, modestly revised GPU
- unexpected clockspeed (up till' this story, of course)
- dual-slot aluminium cooling with at least four heatpipes
- ultra-silent, large-fin large-diameter fan
- 512 MB of GDDR-3 memory, provided by Samsung. Capacity of the chips: unknown

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Re: 7800GTX
« Reply #54 on: July 19, 2005, 11:15:31 PM »
   800mhz 7800 ? that'll be impressive  off .11 , but i doubt its possible  in large numbers ,  600mhz - 650mhz maybe , people did get their X850XT  to 800mhz with sub zero cooling ,  i own a .11 nvidia card and know people who'v overclocked 6600gts and 7800gtx's ,  its not possible without water and a handful of cream of the crop chips    to reach 700mhz with a 6600gt ,   most 7800gtx have problems reaching 500mhz i doubt nvidia can  magically almost double their clock speeds . Probably just rumour .
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Re: 7800GTX
« Reply #55 on: July 20, 2005, 08:30:31 AM »
Well it will be in the fabled 'Utlra' version which nvidia spinners claim that market research shows ppl associate 'ultra' with 'unavailable' so they could very well make a small handful of these UBER high clocked cores plus they using much improved cooling, we know gainward in the least will have a water cooled version since they into that kinda thing. Doh put it past them, rem the Geforce FX5800 aka dustbuster? they thought they could best the 9700/9800 with higher clock speeds even with less pipes. So it goes to show that they not afraid to RAMP clocks at the expense of low db and in this case since a watercooled OCed SLI right with MUCH lower clock rates can hit 16000+ in 3DMark2005 then these uber (but rare as a hens' tooth) cards could very well clock over 20K in 3DMark and as the article said force the 32 pipeline beast out of hiding.

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7800 ultra sneak peak
« Reply #56 on: July 21, 2005, 05:09:22 PM »
http://www.vr-zone.com/?i=2486  << rumoured to be clocked much higher than the 7800GTX , with a cooling solution larger than the card itself  and an 80mm fan    ,  i'd say clocks will be between 560mhz and 650mhz . Nvidia will probably keep these cards waiting for ATI to release its R520... which seems to be a big disaster as reports are that their yields for 24 and 32 pipe cards were only 3% in one of the recent re-spinnings , ATI may well loose the fight for the high end but dominate the middle and low end with piles of cheap 16 , 12 and 8 pipe cards , that though slower than Nvidia's best will still beat equally priced nvidia cards , much like the days of the Radeon 8500 ati may have to play the budget game .
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Re: 7800 ultra sneak peak
« Reply #57 on: July 21, 2005, 05:53:26 PM »
hmm

i smell weakness
and iam sure the nvidia gods do too :)

hunters like nvidia go in for the kill when their prey is injured..

:) i see nvidia releasing cheap super cards that beat ati cards over the head at the same price or cheaper

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Re: 7800 ultra sneak peak
« Reply #58 on: July 21, 2005, 05:57:52 PM »
Old news Trini consider this thread merged

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Re: 7800 Series
« Reply #59 on: July 21, 2005, 11:37:50 PM »
yeah, dropping price is an easy "counter" but then Nvidia could do the same and ATI would have no advantage.

Dreams of an Nvidia "$20 wATIhb" Rebate program.


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Re: 7800 Series
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