7800 Series

[virusone]

Hoss the cat's outa the bag some what......,  The thing is that nVidia, being almost certain ATI will have their card clock 8000 3dmark05...... that they (nVidia) are supplying drivers (out of the box) that can only allow the 7800gtx to acquire 7-7500 3dmark 05 (well maybe not so true) 

Certain websites and members of nvidia's NDA have leaked drivers and specs which was pulled off with single and duall 7800GTX's, check out the info and pics below.........  can't wait to see tomshardware and others post their benchmarks..... w00t w00t

:slobber:

Single 7800GTX - 9671 3d05
Dual 7800GTX SLI on a DFI Motherboard - 15990 3d05
Overclocked 7800GTX - 34011 3d05 "
info collected at the following website http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=66489

[TriniXaeno]

* [X]-Baego dies

That is too much performance for any one man to handle.

[TrinireturnofGamez]

 Notice that that guy overclocked his G70 by a over 110mhz with water cooling , plus its in sli , the actually scores at 16000 3dmark 03 for a single card , vs 13000-14000 for the X850XT and 6800 ultra  , if you ask me thats dissapointing performance !
   Only 30-40% performance increase over the last generation , vs 2-3 times performance jump when we went from the 5900 to the 6800 , this is just  a 'core refresh' like the 9800XT was for the 9800 pro .
   I was hoping for another double in performance  , but nvidia dissapointed me ,  looks like ATI will own the set if they can produce enough cards ,  they will have the same 24 pipes but clocked at 600-700mhz  and be cheaper thanks to a 90nm process : These G70 cards will go for 600 + us !

 Test system had an athlon64 X2

[TrinireturnofGamez]

 and here some people agree with me, BOO ! weak nvidia here come  !

7703 is seriously weak for a next gen card IMO. 6000 is pushed by x850XT PE at stock. 6153 to be precise, and that's with old drivers. new drivers improve 3dmark05 scores.

for a next gen card that particular score is pretty weak overall.

given how much the card will cost if it's only 25% quicker it's not even remotely worth an upgrade consideration.

from www.xbitlabs.com .
   Ati may  weaken their cards a bit to sell them cheaper ..... and bring ownage and  frame rates to all !

[Crixx_Creww]

nonsense
 id ont care wdf the 2k3 scores are


are yu seeing those 2005 scores? that is flikkin insane!!!!

15k+ in sli? wdf!!!!!
men had to super cool and uber tweak to get 12000 to set last world record
and now with drivers out the box they clockin 15000+ in sli!!
AND FLIKKIN ATI STILL COULD BARELLLYYYY CROSS 10 FLIKKIN THOUSAND IN 2K STEUPSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS

[Crixx_Creww]

no wait wat crap i talkin !! lol

OMFG IS 34 THOUSAND IN SLI I SEEING???
AHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAH

34 THOUSAND IN 2K5 AAHAHAHAH

ahahahaha hahahahaha
i will lose my mind if i get one of these cards ahahaha

[virusone]

Precisely CRIXX....

Trini doesn't yet understand that drivers shipped with the card are never the ture performance drivers.

nVidia has shown time and time again just how much performance you can squeeze outa their vid.........

ATI on the other hand gives you everything upfront and lapase on the driver updates...... so they (ATI) cud say oh it was wukin all de time WDA you do to de card.....

Nevertheless I'm certain that all those ppl who saying the crap trini just post, wouldn't realize their nVidia based vid cards jump 80% in performance AFTER EACH DRIVER UPDATE (even if Master Chief jump out ah de screen and slap dem in they mouth) .... BUH STILL TRINI IS OVA 10000 3DMARK 2005 boi...... fuh Pete’s sake WDA you wah jed

[TriniXaeno]

that is thing to commit crime for.

Just tell me who to kidnap.

* [X]-Baego starts marketing his spleen and kidneys on ebay.

buy one get one free.

[TrinireturnofGamez]

Nevertheless I'm certain that all those ppl who saying the crap trini just post, wouldn't realize their nVidia based vid cards jump 80% in performance AFTER EACH DRIVER UPDATE (even if Master Chief jump out ah de screen and slap dem in they mouth) .... BUH STILL TRINI IS OVA 10000 3DMARK 2005 boi...... fuh Pete’s sake WDA you wah jed

  note to self..... nvidi-ites doesn't know one @$$ (trini I don't tolerate such language in forums blot it out) what they saying .. 
  thats 35000 3dmarks in 2003 in SLI you blind !
   1.the point is the 7800gtx is ONLY 1000 3dmarks ,or 25% faster than a card that is running on 'less efficient technology' and has 8 pixel pipes less than the 7800... 
   2.Nvidia ites started the same mantra when the 6800 was loosing to the X800s.... New drivers.... ATI will be busting out a whole new set of cards to pwn Nvidia in a few weeks , drivers aint' gonna save them , not even with serious cheating and optimizations .
   3.  I HAVE AN NVIDIA CARD , if the performance jumped by 80% EVERY driver update i would have
400% more performance since the 5 driver updates after i got  my card , i could then score
 32000 3dmark 2003 and 12000 3dmark 2005 , who would need sli then ??
   4. lets take a look at the raw performance of the 7800 : 24 times 430 mhz : 10320 (dread use the calculator given in windows it not that hard) megapixels per second
      vs X850XT : 16 times 500mhz : 8000 megapixels , thats only 20% more fillrate than the last generation of ATI !
    ATI only has to surpass itself by 20% to beat nvidia ! No drivers will save them
   5. ATIs big gun is loaded and ready to fire at the world  ,   i bet you all that it will
     make nvidia look like a pack of fools for this round  .

 Same thing happen when the 9800xt came out , card was a waste of money but man spending
  they life saving on it when they could get a 9800 pro for half price and 90% performance.

EDIT: found accurate 7800 clock speed

[TriniXaeno]

lol

fiery words boy Trini.

but you're right about the performance increase with drivers. It is WAY exagerated but with good reason.

From since the TNT2 days, Nvidia has been quoting 40% and > performance deltas with their detonator drivers. It's great marketing talk but the numbers don't add up in the real world.

You see, they take it from pretty extreme angles.

They will find one benchmark at some insane resolution, with fsaa and af enabled at max and get a whopping increase. Boom. Big marketing figures with a "real world" benchmark to back it up.

For example, doom 3 at 1600x1200 4x AA 8x AF
Detonator Version 63.49: Average FPS Score: 4
Detonator Version 77.30: Average FPS Score: 6

Blotoye!!! 50% increase in performance!!! Rant Rant Rave Rave.

Yes, they are mathematically right.

No it won't make the card get you hot chicks nor make your games fly at more reasonable settings.

It will sell a lot more Nvidia products and that's the point of it really. lol

As for ATI wtfpwning Nvidia's latest offerings, save those comments for when they DO.

Vapourware is just that, vapourware. Bringeth some benchmarkeths! Till then, wATIhb.

btw, Virus quote de mc ting as 3dmark 2005. setup man iwmc.

lihixxxxxxxxxx

[TriniXaeno]

one more thing

what is it with that 1280x1024 resolution?

shouldn't it be 1280x960???

1280x1024 is out of mc ratio!

320x240 (4:3)
512x384 (4:3)
640x480 (4:3)
800x600 (4:3)
1024x768 (4:3)
1280x960 (4:3)
1280x1024 (5:4) <--- WTMC???!?!?
1600x1200 (4:3)

strangely enough, my games look and play best around those two resolutions.  1280x960 & 1280x1024 and some games support one and not the other. Go Figure.

Magic numbers iwmc.

[TrinireturnofGamez]

http://www.techreport.com/reviews/2005q2/geforce-7800gtx/farcry-pier.gif  Its 'so fast'  it gets beat by the ATI card in farcry @ 1600x1200 with anti aliasing on ,  i still think its a dissapointing increase in performance,  it doesn't deserve to be called the 7800 , a geforce 6900 would have suited it better  .

   i did some more looking around , it appears it only can really pull away from the other cards with lots of anti aliasing turned up , not as bad as i thought but still not as good as i hoped .

[TriniXaeno]

considering the delta between it and it's predecessor in that very chart, which is about 27%, it really won't qualify as a "next gen" successor.

that said, you are subscribing to that "marketing" strategy I mentioned earlier. Which is taking one extreme benchmark and highlighting it. In this case, FarCry at 4xaa 8af on tr3-pier.

I am sure Nvidia will find some other circumstances when their cards come out WAY on top.

Then what? Is it justified?

No easy task. A battery of benches makes for a better picture but that's pretty troublesome. Considerin that any one of us worth our salt, should be running titles across all engines, the overall best performer is what matters.

Who said life was gonna be easy. mcmcmcmc



I am sure we can pull a benchmark

[TrinireturnofGamez]

 'next generation' indeed,  ATI won't have any new cards on the table for  several months to come , but it may not need to, just offer the x800s at lower prices until then  .  The 7800 does bring some nice additions however , a method of anti aliasing that filters 2d props as well as 3d , making things like grass and chain link fences appear smoother , plus much faster  pixel shaders than the 6800 or x800 has .   Though its vetrex shader performance is lacking so much that the x850 can beat it  .  For those who can afford it and are getting a new card  , its worth it, but for those who already have an X800 or 6800 its a waste of time and money .

[virusone]

Wheys jed.... Typo IYMC

We'll all get our chance to check out these 7800gtx bad boys in both SINGLE and SLI modes first hand....

Baego just make some space in you cafe dey.....

[TriniXaeno]

ent

serious power iwmc

[W1nTry]

I read somewhere I can't rem where, that there exists the possibility that although the card is stated as being a 24 pixel pipeline, the current encarnation could actually have only 16pipes enabled. And as soon as ATI releases their 'FUDO' chip they will enable the remainder of the pipes, maybe a driver update or such. I have NO idea how true that is though it would make some sense, lets speculate:

1. New gen cards tend to perform as well as if not better than the previous architecture with almost the same hardware specs eg. 6600GT bests a 5950XT and both are 8 pixel pipeline cards.

2. Nvidia doesn't know what ATI is coming with exactly and has only realeased a GTX and not its defacto Ultra version of the 7 series cards, thus a 'miracle' driver when they see the performance of 'FUDO' is not unimaginable, to boost the current GTX and the Ultra versions upon its launch.

3. The 7800 is a single slot card that runs on up to 50% less power... so if we crank the power and freq a lil more, plus say enable pipes (that perhaps are not enabled yet) you'd get a huge kick in performance to match or beat ur competitor.

Its all speculation but hey, if I could use 16pipes and best the performance of my top single card (which my next gen card is supposed to anyways) and lie in wait for my competition to show itself. I can then play dirty and blow the comp away with a sudden leap in performance once I know what they're capable of, makes complete sense to me.

[TrinireturnofGamez]

   If it was only the 16 pipes enabled it wouldn't even have been able to beat the older 6800 ultra in many tests,  50% less power ? According to Xbit labs it eats 3 watts more than a 6800 ultra
 

To load the graphics cards with work we launched the most complex of 3DMark05’s tests, that is the third one, and had it running in a loop in 1600x1200 resolution, with enabled 4x full-screen antialiasing and 16x anisotropic filtering. The results are quite interesting: the GeForce 7800 GTX with its 302 million transistors, 24 pixel pipelines and 430MHz frequency consumed 80.7 watts under that load, while the much simpler GeForce 6800 Ultra had a consumption of 77.3 watts. There’s less than 3 watts of difference! So, the 0.11-micron tech process really helped NVIDIA to keep the power consumption of the GeForce 7800 GTX on the same level with the previous-generation model.

   The card runs on full 24 pipes,  the problem is that in the last generation of cards Nvidia DOUBLED the number of pipelines , more memory bandwidth,  and used a much more efficient architecture than the crappy FX  , this is no 'next gen card' just a geforce 6 on steroids with more finesse , this time around they only had 50% more pipes , same amount of memory bandwidth and same clock speeds .  Like the Geforce 2 ultra was to the geforce MX , or the geforce 3 to the geforce 4 , just a refresh of the same technology with some nice new features added .
    7800gtx in trinidad already? You sold your 2nd lung and kindey for it or what ?

[W1nTry]

Boy Trini yuh MUST had read wrong, the 7800 using more power is a bag of @$$. THink about it, it has only a 350W PSU requirement, it is a SINGLE SLOT COOLER, and it has ONLY 1 MOLEX!!! Now lets think about the 6800Ultra, DUAL slot cooler, 2 count them TWO molex power connectors and a min 400W PSU requirement. There is NO WAY a 350W PSU can handle a 6800Ultra FAR LESS a card that burns more power... here is a site I read for the review:
http://www.bjorn3d.com/read.php?cID=806&pageID=1612
heres another very comprehensive review:
http://www.guru3d.com/article/Videocards/229/1/
and also:
http://www.beyond3d.com/previews/nvidia/g70/index.php?p=01
and for good measure in SLI:
http://hothardware.com/viewarticle.cfm?articleid=697&cid=2
 
And lastly here are some really pretty pic:

[coledraft]

Nvidia's next generation video card chipset...the card is being manufactured by some to physically and electrically occupy one 16x pci express but experiences an increase in physical length w.r.t. the 6800 ultra.....however some manufactures would design theirs to physically occupy two slots but electrically require only one 16x pci express slot. It is supposed to be more efficient and require less power consumption during equilivant operation when compared to the 6800 ultra. The stock characteristics of the average video card built using the Nvidia geforce 7800 GTX chipset are as follows:

Graphics Engine GeForce™ 7800 GTX
Video Memory 256 MB DDR3 –1.6
Engine Clock 430 MHz**
Memory Clock 1.2 GHz(600 MHz DDR3)
RAMDAC 400MHz
Bus Standard PCI-E
Memory Interface 256-bit
Max Resolution 2048x1536

for more info check out the following link:

http://www.nvidia.com/object/IO_23415.html