AMD dual core benchmarks + prices

[TrinireturnofGamez]

http://www.techreport.com/reviews/2005q2/opteron-x75/index.x?pg=1 

<<< TOTAL OWNAGE!!! 

http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=2397&p=13


but the prices are out of our range at the moment,  the cheapest is 530 USD for a 2.2ghz AMD dual core !   Hopefully we will see 1.8 ghz chips in the 250 USD price range soon .

[W1nTry]

Well as expected the Opteron has WIPED the floor with its competitor at a competitive price. What else is there to say, u intellites have ur proof. What more can u do now but admit defeat for the time and give AMD its props as it so rightfully deserves. BAW

[TrinireturnofGamez]

 AMD even stole intel's encoding crown !    The only problem AMD may have is producing enough of these l33t chips for demand, and slashing prices later on .

[W1nTry]

ITS OFFICIAL AMD Dual core has WAXES the FLOOR with intel's offerings.. and then some. The following sites show the reviews:
http://www.sudhian.com/showdocs.cfm?aid=672

http://reviews.zdnet.co.uk/hardware/processorsmemory/0,39024015,39197754,00.htm

http://www.anandtech.com/printarticle.aspx?i=2410

http://www.pcworld.com/news/article/0,aid,120750,00.asp

There are 4 sites 3 well known for u intellites to screw yuh pan and critique, everyone knows crixx at least will!

[TrinireturnofGamez]

   Not only in performance , but also in  heat and power consumption ! a dual core A64 still eats less power and puts out less heat than a single core prescott, or even a single athlon FX !

[Czar]

Poor crixx

[Crixx_Creww]

lol
poor crixx my @$$
more like poor pooorr amdites.

I eh ready for alyuh yet . lol.

Buh when i come, comin blazin, so alyuh better start callin de burn unit in general from all now.
lol
fire fi blaze

[W1nTry]

We're sure u'll come blazing crixx. being the ONLY intellites to say anything (as the others hide in shame) however here are just some more reviews from more sites whitewashing intels dual core stuff:

http://www.techwarelabs.com/reviews/processors/amd_x2/

http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/cpu/print/athlon64-x2.html

http://www.hardocp.com/articleprint.html?article_id=766

[url]http://www.techreport.com/reviews/2005q2/athlon64-x2/index.x?pg=1[/url]

seems everyone knows that AMD is the current cpu leader in terms of performance. Ah well crixx better luck next time in 2006 perhaps. :p

[TriniXaeno]

lol

pressura for crixx. He has his work cut out for him this time.

Prowl has his back, but luckily, prowl doesn't talk much on the forums. I'll try and setup a proxy to block him from the site to keep it that way!

lihixxxxxx!

[W1nTry]

WAIT it gets better, now that Crixx has endorsed the idea that MS should monopolize here and interesting lil article:

Microsoft endorses AMD lead in dual core plans

A nugget that's worth a fortune

By INQUIRER staff: Tuesday 17 May 2005, 20:13
ONE LITTLE nugget came at the System Builder Summit last week when the AMD executives mentioned Microsoft’s Brian Valentine, seemingly out of the blue.

The firm produced a Powerpoint slide in which Valentine is quoted as saying: "The simultaneous availability of AMD64 dual core processors and Windows x64 editions represents a huge performance leap and much greater value for Microsoft customers. Microsoft congratulates AMD on its leadership in delivering innovative technologies to the market."

Why would Microsoft, a loyal partner of Intel, go out of its way to praise the smaller microprocessor company? It’s an open secret that some years back both AMD and Microsoft cooperated on the development of the AMD64 platform, through the grace of Dave Cutler, formerly of DEC.

Without drawing too many little lines connecting the different people together, Cutler’s former boss, DEC CEO Bob Palmer, is now a director on AMD’s board. Dirk Meyer is, of course also a senior figure in AMD management as well as being an ex-employee of DEC and closely connected with the Alpha microprocessor team.

Sometimes you just have to wonder how this cosy relationship is regarded by Intel. Surely Intel must be livid at Microsoft for treating it this way?

In fact, Intel has many reasons to be livid at other partners than just Microsoft. Dell is now doing so well for Intel that in many ways it must feel it has all of its eggs in one Round Rock basket, we suspect.

[TrinireturnofGamez]

AMD isn't actually that much more expensive, due to the need for expensive Intel mobo and DDR II : Intel D955XBK $255 mobo
Intel 820 $241
Geil DDR2 667 1GB- $150
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=$646

vs.

MSI NEO4-F $80 mobo
AMD X2 4200+ $537
Corsair PC3200 VR 1GB KIT- $75
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=$692

 and of course you know who is faster ... :p

[Prowl]

Look again, current price and avialability in JUNE! you can't get the x2 chips yet, and the cheaper mobo for intels are out. The intel is meant as a consumer solution, for the masses and the massses will buy them. Also HOW THE HELL  DO YOU COMPARE A 1000 CHIP TO a 200 CHIP!

Compare the 820D to a 3500+ and things look very different,

Why did you also use cheap value ram and a mid range MOBO for the amd system comparison and "PREMIUM" parts for the intel?

Right now a 820 or 830 based system can be had for the price of JUST the amd chip at current market price speculation for the AMD chips, those prices will drop, the performance vs price is not double either, a small margin.

Intel is gonna sell alot more dual core chips than AMD due to the price point, Intel will make more money, thats what they are doing! they don't care about the higher end anymore and this proves it! lThey are letting AMD take the top marks for performance and gaming. They will win where it matters, at the bank!

[W1nTry]

How can u say intel boards are cheaper? to begin with u HAVE TO BUY A NEW board to use the dual core precotts whereas AMD's dual core require a BIOS UPDATE to existing A64 compliant boards :p thats a hands down win as far as i'm concerned. Also the X2's release was just a release to upstage intel as being the only dual core desktop supplier. We all know the Dual core opterons are already in production and selling and the X2 is selling as well. I doh know what u talkin about, plus that 820D get WHITEWASHED in gaming benchmarks cause a 2.8GHz prescott just NOT READY to take on even a 3000+ A64 in gaming as most games are still single threaded, u can try that again in a year time when the games are mutlithreaded... but by then AMD will have something faster/cheaper/better anyways!

[Prowl]

Look at the whole picture! yes for gamers the intels suck, no doubt but for 90% of the masses who work in an office, they don't play games like we do. For videoorgaphers, Photoshop gurus, etc the intel looks alot better, especially at the price. There are more of those people than gamers unfortunately as well.

Look at the new pc makers, they want to sell new systems, not upgrades! intel is better for them.

look at availability and initial price to a consumer, a $500 chip scares them!

Personally I'd love to build a x2 based system, but thats me! and you! not the 90% of the plebs who will buy a dual core intel over the x2 in a new machine!

Bottom line is still, Intel is walking all the way to the bank untill AMD does a 3500 X2 for $240

Also consider Intels tech is THE SAME as it was 3-4 years ago, their R&D expenses are much less, their dual core implementation is pathetic true but this makes it easier to make and so forth and so forth.

Have you not noticed Intel isn't even trying to compete ith AMD in the top end or gaming market anymore, they want the low end now! it's like this, you have a ford mustang and a huyndai, the price difference is $5000 but ( lets say 25% moe ) the performance difference is 70% . What sells more? the piece of crap huyndai does! who makes more money? Huyndai does over ford. Same thing in the PC market, more will buy the Intel based on PERCIEVED PRICE and whats available NOW. Remember the AMD x2 is only avialable to Prefered vendors for now, Newegg TODAY only has the 4400+ and 4600+ x2 both over $650, Intel 820D with a new MOBO and ram is $450 . most people won't buy  a $600 chip! regardless.

[W1nTry]

Here is a link to the X2 4200 and umm I wondering prowl.... this is what I see:

Look again, current price and avialability in JUNE!

Dude it IS JUNE... u posted this today??? living under a rock I see.

Here's a link to monarch where u can get ur X2 NOW:
http://www.monarchcomputer.com/Merchant2/merchant.mv?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=M&Product_Code=120240&Category_Code=amddc

Also since u mentioned business being the majority, well last I check servers are quite important as well and Opterons are making some good headway into Intel's market share. Last I also checked ppl who do heavy video editing or even rendering tend to use render farms also and seeing as the Opteron dual core is far superior but at a price comparable to Intels top of the line systems I don't see this being a problem. As I recall George Lucas used AMD systems to do some of their rendering for Revenge of the Sith.

Heres a workstation that u can configure with AMD dual core:
http://www.hp.com/workstations/pws/xw9300/specs.html

You have to understand that AMD does not have the manufacturing capabilities to produce CPU's on the scale that Intel does. Becuase of this they have to take a different approach to the market. AMD intends to start off in the OEM and small system integrator markets with thier dual core offerings for the desktop because they have excellent grey (as its called) channel distros. So you will see them in High end systems from Alienware, falcon northwest and the ilk. When their manufacturing capabilities are increased with the commisioning of the new FAB80 or whaev its called now they will move productions into more retail and lastly mainstream distros like HP, Lenova, etc. They will also have lower cost, lower speed variants of the current X2s soon. Also until Dell starts selling AMD based systems it is not attractive to them to make low end X2s. Dell sorry to say is the largest comp manu in the world and has the largest install base. If they were selling AMD instead of Intel we'd be singing a diff tune.

PS u get some points for bigging up the X2 though, Crixx is a man would be supporting intel still EVEN if they were only at PII level and .0000009% the performance of a AMD K6 :p

[Prowl]

W1nTry you just proved my point, look at the AVAILABILITY! ships July 6th! at $600, the intel dual cores are selling 1000 units a day! untill then. ( at the very least! )

The amd chips are better but AMD can't make or supply in quanity to compete, untill that day dell will stay intell and intel has no worries about AMD, especially now in the low end. That and Intel has no reason to improve the chips drastically either! the prescott was a public test of the 90mm fab, the D series is a public test of dual core, and so on and so on, Amd NEEDS to come out with a good dual core cheap solution to keep intel on it's toes, if not Intel will just be releasing garbage! AND MAKING MONEY DOING SO!

[Prowl]

lol

pressura for crixx. He has his work cut out for him this time.

Prowl has his back, but luckily, prowl doesn't talk much on the forums. I'll try and setup a proxy to block him from the site to keep it that way!

GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR

I'll only have Crixx back when Intel stops playing the fool.

lihixxxxxx!

[TriniXaeno]

dammit

prowl found away around my "security" measures.

[Prowl]

dammit

prowl found away around my "security" measures.

hehe

[W1nTry]

Here's a nice article I found showing how AMD's price/performance approach is not a bad one considering its disposition:
http://www.lostcircuits.com/cpu/p4_840/
This is am exahustive review of a P4 EE (extremely expensive ed.) dual coregoing head to head against 4800+ and well a dual opteron rig. Now whilst I excuse the Dual opteron, the fact that the 4800 and P4 EE (dual core) are comparatively priced I think it should be doing better, and then theres HT on that too so its actually 4 logical cores, but let's not argue symantecs here. Here are a few pic of prices taken today off pricewatch for argument sake on pricing: (to be fair I took the prices of each from what newegg is selling at)