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GTA:SA rating rescinded
« on: July 21, 2005, 11:42:16 AM »
http://www.boingboing.net/2005/07/20/esra_rescinds_gtasa_.html

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The Entertainment Software Rating Board has rescinded their rating for GTA:SA and is advising retailers to stop selling it. Take-Two, Rockstar's parent company, has stopped production of the game until it can produce a non-"Hot Coffee" version, and it may start disappearing from store shelves by the end of the day. The overblown witchhunt seemed comical until it began to succeed...
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GTA:SA rating rescinded
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Re: GTA:SA rating rescinded
« Reply #1 on: July 21, 2005, 12:01:09 PM »
I was following this closely but I decided not to post it in light of the pg viewers of the site. Don't want to give them ideas about modding the game to attain the X-rated content. THey have SEnator Hilary Clinton and other politicians on their case, not to mention the Parents game rating whaev that making it AO or Adult only. We have to be a lil careful witht his topic.

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Re: GTA:SA rating rescinded
« Reply #2 on: July 21, 2005, 11:01:09 PM »
In a way, I am glad.

Not that I hate the game, in contrast, it's a masterpiece but truly one that should only be indulged by adults.

I cringe everytime I see a minor playing GTA.

Just today at Sip and Surf, saw some kids, no more than 9 years of age, firing up Vice City and blocking the title with their hands, so moms wouldn't notice.

Futile of course, the suspicious activity earned dem a scolding.

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Re: GTA:SA rating rescinded
« Reply #3 on: July 22, 2005, 08:11:42 AM »
Good to hear the children got scolded for this.. however how many GL's rigorously enforce the Parental Rating system baego?

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Re: GTA:SA rating rescinded
« Reply #4 on: July 22, 2005, 05:30:33 PM »
Not a nice thing to see the esrb cave to pressure like this.
The whole thin is rather stupid. R* have the code locked out. They aren't responsible for what modders do. It's like holding Eidos responsible for all the nude codes out there for Tomb Raider.

The scene isn't even what I'd consider explicit. They have all their damn clothes on. Certainly it's no worse than God of War, which retained a M rating.
I've always found it so very stupid that west of the Greenwich Meridian people are so very conservative about sex, but perfectly willing to clap for violence and gore. The case is exactly the opposite in most of Europe and in Japan.

I'm sure much of it can be traced to religion in the 'west' but I'll leave that stone unturned in present company.

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Re: GTA:SA rating rescinded
« Reply #4 on: July 22, 2005, 05:30:33 PM »

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Re: GTA:SA rating rescinded
« Reply #5 on: July 22, 2005, 09:30:57 PM »
Good question W1ntry.

While we are pretty staunch about not allowing kids to play the more violent / bloody games in GATT, it isn't a rule that we mandate to the GL owners.

A GL is definitely a place where they are likely to be exposed to inapproriate content for their age.

(Not to mention, at home, on the tv, consoles, internet, etc..) Pressura for kids / parents.

Personally, at our GL, the system is designed to lock out the mature titles from kids and we are pretty strict about it. Not so sure about the rest.

At the very least it should be recommended.

Something we should start doing.

Not an easy thing to police, but a recommendation can't hurt.

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Re: GTA:SA rating rescinded
« Reply #6 on: July 22, 2005, 11:59:00 PM »
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Re: GTA:SA rating rescinded
« Reply #7 on: July 27, 2005, 02:17:48 PM »
The fault lies in the fact that parents who aren't gamers still think that games are just for kids and aren't hip to the gaming culture. Lots of American parents don't even look at the ratings on the box (http://www.gamesindustry.biz/content_page.php?aid=9703)

I still think that Rockstar should be held responsible because the content is still essentially part of the product that gets sold. The fact that they got the M rating with that content is where the fault lies. This is unlike a Tomb Raider patch which is totally not a part of the boxed product. To me the accessibility is not a huge issue because the internet makes it so easy to access this info.
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Re: GTA:SA rating rescinded
« Reply #8 on: July 28, 2005, 01:41:56 PM »
Here's some interesting commentary on the topic: http://www.cheapassgamer.com/archives/001004.php
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Re: GTA:SA rating rescinded
« Reply #9 on: August 02, 2005, 09:40:57 AM »
WAIT IT GETS BETTER:
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Rockstar to release Bully game

Pouring hot coffee on

By Aaron McKenna: Tuesday 02 August 2005, 07:24
SOMEBODY really ought to copy Rockstar and Take Two a memo on digging holes. With the fallout from Hot Coffeegate still landing half the industry up to its neck in crap they’re pushing ahead with a videogame entitled simply "Bully".

Rockstar Games describes the upcoming title as one where gamers play a "troublesome schoolboy" who "stands up to bullies, gets picked on by teachers, plays pranks on malicious kids, wins or loses the girl, and ultimately learns to navigate the obstacles of the fictitious reform school."

Alright, so the pitch does have you playing the anti-bully-turned-bully, but really chaps you could have been more sensitive. The schools bullying watchdog, Bullying Online, here, has come out with strong statements against the game with the organisation's Liz Carnell telling the press: "This game should be banned. I'm extremely worried that kids will play it and then act out what they've seen in the classroom....Bullying is not a game by any stretch of the imagination. We have around four suicidal children contacting us every day." According to the organisation two million children in the UK are "bullied" in real-life school settings each year.

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Re: GTA:SA rating rescinded
« Reply #10 on: August 02, 2005, 06:25:03 PM »
some say that R* had intentionally left the coding inside the game, so that they would avoid the Ao rating. but that's some more conspiracy shit. there is a way to unlock it on your ps2 also but u need a armax or something. all it does is remove the consor coding or something.


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Re: GTA:SA rating rescinded
« Reply #11 on: August 02, 2005, 09:30:20 PM »
I personally am not a fan of Rockstar games in general because it seems that they insist on trying to sound as offensive as possible on paper and then making a game off that offensive concept. Haven't they learnt anything from Manhunt?
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Re: GTA:SA rating rescinded
« Reply #12 on: August 02, 2005, 09:37:33 PM »
well they brought out the warriors classic movie ...not sure about the game
i like rockstar midnight club wise and gta yea ..
other stuff sucked hope warriors doesnt

ppl gonna escalate this thing to big imo ..



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Re: GTA:SA rating rescinded
« Reply #13 on: August 12, 2005, 11:28:10 AM »
Even though I didn't put up the previous article on this, basically it pertains to this case whereby the court said the guy is guilty and the game has nothing to do with it. Here's the punishment they handed down for his crimes: (Killing 3 cops)
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Grand Theft Auto player gets death penalty

The price of not being under the influence

By Nick Farrell: Friday 12 August 2005, 14:37
TEEN MURDERERr Devin Moore was sentenced to death yesterday for killing three police officers as he tried to escape from custody.

While in the history of US criminal law there is nothing unusual about this, Moore’s case has attracted a lot of attention because he claimed to be under the influence of the violent game Grand Theft Auto: Vice City. In fact he seemed to have been inventing this alibi the moment he was caught saying the words “Life is a video game, you have to die sometime.”

Ironically, Moore’s defence is backed by the families of those people he killed. They are currently trying to sue the makers and distributors of the game, Rock Star saying it was somehow involved in the murders.

While the families welcomed the verdict yesterday, it actually will cause problems for their case that GTA is a murder simulator that inspired the young Moore to kill.

If Moore was under the influence of GTA, then he must be seen as mentally defective and therefore require treatment rather than the death penalty. It does not seem that the jury bought this concept, in fact they only took an hour to make up their minds of his guilt, which legal terms is about the length of time it took to sit down and vote on it.

It is clear that they saw the deaths of Police Officer Strickland, Officer Crump, and Dispatcher Mealer as the act of a desperate kid who knew what he was doing and why.

According to a statement from the families they are not saying that Moore was not responsible for what he did. They say that there is a lot of blame to go around. This is why they are suing Sony, Take-Two/Rockstar, Wal-Mart, and GameStop.

A cynic would think that the question is who should pay for the deaths of these three. Moore is going to be killed by the State, he can’t really pay much more and these companies seem to have enough money.

While a court is usually incredibly sympathetic to families in such cases, there are long histories of similar cases that have gone belly up. The case of the teen that shot himself after listening to Judas Priest because of what his family claimed were subliminal messages to “do it” played backwards, springs to mind. However if, as the family says, the issue is one of blame then why must it fall on the door of the makers of a game the bloke played.

What about his family? The jury heard how Moore had been abused as a child. What were the other elements that made up his upbringing? Social services, who failed to spot the guy was about to go over the edge. What about the police station that allows loaded firearms to be carried around while people are being interviewed?

It seems that if blame for creating a teen mass-murderer has to be shared by anyone, it is not just those who made up the game. It seems that the families have gone for a media byte-sized target?

Is it so impossible to believe that a kid, with a history of abuse, who is arrested on suspicion of nicking a car, will not snap?

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Re: GTA:SA rating rescinded
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