Are parent's to blame for bad children?

[DeadEyes]

As brought up by various individuals in the thread about violent videogames making violent people, it was mentioned repetitively that parents were to blame, you can state your opinions here and your views, just keep it clean, and no BITING....thank you                    

[PsiVal]

They are just 1 factor at times they may be the biggest factor in this equation but at other times thay may not be in the equation at all...

Sometimes it is genuinely the fault of the parents because of sometimes they may be encouraged or brought up to do certain things or pushed in a certain direction & to get it by what ever means necessary...It is dependant on the VALUES instilled in 1 from a young age...so even though other external factors may lead 1 to make certain choices, (internal factors)moral would determine if the chioce is feasable by what was taught 2 them by parent, guardian or other wise unless the choice was 1 where something major was a stake or contradicted their values & the only way to keep it was 2 do something that would go against that...

The parents initially mold there child & society adds 2 that mold...if the centre  of the mold is strong then the child shall not falter...

That my veiw 4 now more later(got 2 get back 2 work)                        

[Czar]

Shouldn't this type of thread be in De Bar or some other forum? I'm thinking it's not quite the type of thread that belongs here...maybe I'm wrong...

On the topic though, I don't necessarily believe that parents are to blame for bad children...however, they do play an integral part in their child's development so it can be argued that their behaviour etc is a reflection of their upbringing. But children are also succeptible to external factors, like friends/peers etc and this also plays a part. But like PsiVal mentioned, if they have a solid foundation, then it is less likely that external factors will have such an impact that it will make them falter.                    

[Bourbon_Ghost]

they have  major role in the bringing up of there children, that is true, but i don't think they are to blame.
It basically is the environment the child is brought up in and the state of mind the child has.
....but of course u can never really tell because it all depends on the childs own self interest                    

[AngryBastard]

They are just 1 factor at times they may be the biggest factor in this equation but at other times thay may not be in the equation at all...

Sometimes it is genuinely the fault of the parents because of sometimes they may be encouraged or brought up to do certain things or pushed in a certain direction & to get it by what ever means necessary...It is dependant on the VALUES instilled in 1 from a young age...so even though other external factors may lead 1 to make certain choices, (internal factors)moral would determine if the chioce is feasable by what was taught 2 them by parent, guardian or other wise unless the choice was 1 where something major was a stake or contradicted their values & the only way to keep it was 2 do something that would go against that...

The parents initially mold there child & society adds 2 that mold...if the centre  of the mold is strong then the child shall not falter...

That my veiw 4 now more later(got 2 get back 2 work)

i agree 100 % with this man views....
parents is the one that have the power over their children...and children often copy things their parents do..                    

[~*Ashiee*~]

this is a very good topic, we have been talking about this topic in psychology class for the pas few weeks

some arguments support that parents are to blame, because of their absence now in the home and their place in the workplace that can lead to children being led astray.

children learn to imitate their parents morals etc. atleast in their young years. if parents are absent children have no one to turn to, to look at to learn the rules, morals, value, customs etc of society thus they become deviant as the absence of parents leads to no discipline of deviant behaviour of the children.

in that aspect parent's absence in the home because of career goals can be to blame for misbehaviour of children as now children and not repremamded for misbehaviour because they are not monitiored

however, to blame parents solely is not the right approach...maybe we can allow children to be with parents after school hours in the work place in a specail room or something where they cna be monitored

there are many sides to this debate
ad us psychologists are trying to figure out how we can combat the problem from all sides                    

[MASTER_RAGE3]

the apple dont fall far from the tree.so i will say if a parent cares the child will turn out better                    

[~*Ashiee*~]

the apple dont fall far from the tree.so i will say if a parent cares the child will turn out better

as Herbert Mead said "give me a group of children and i can make them into a vagrant, piolt, scientist...ect"

if we take his view into consideration ie. the socialist view then it says even though the apple doh fall far from the tree, if it rolls to a better place ( a different environment)

it can be different                    

[PsiVal]

this is a very good topic, we have been talking about this topic in psychology class for the pas few weeks

some arguments support that parents are to blame, because of their absence now in the home and their place in the workplace that can lead to children being led astray.

children learn to imitate their parents morals etc. atleast in their young years. if parents are absent children have no one to turn to, to look at to learn the rules, morals, value, customs etc of society thus they become deviant as the absence of parents leads to no discipline of deviant behaviour of the children.

in that aspect parent's absence in the home because of career goals can be to blame for misbehaviour of children as now children and not repremamded for misbehaviour because they are not monitiored

however, to blame parents solely is not the right approach...maybe we can allow children to be with parents after school hours in the work place in a specail room or something where they cna be monitored

there are many sides to this debate
ad us psychologists are trying to figure out how we can combat the problem from all sides

Yeah i wasnt finished earlier ppl that was just 1 side of the coin, the other side now...she has a point here

There are external factors that would cause there not 2 b a good foundation, things beyond 1's control or because of 1's lifestyle(parent) or career choice, cant spend much time with children but still providing the basic necessities of course the child wont be molded in the way it should by the parents & also it depends on location, school & work environment of both parent & child...we absorb what around us & if we absorb enough we become it, change, morph or be destroyed by the change

if we take his view into consideration ie. the socialist view then it says even though the apple doh fall far from the tree, if it rolls to a better place ( a different environment)

it can be different

I dont say parents are 2 blame or society  or our surroundings the fact is we all are & no-one is...

We are victims of our environment, the combinations of things contained in each along with our own concoiusness make us who we are and determine what we will become...we just have to try 2 make that the mixture contains enough of what we want in it 2 make us into the ideal being that we want be but it is very hard 2 keep that balance cause we may not alway realise what we need...Constant ADAPTation...2 b continued  

                     

[DeadEyes]

now there's a man who knows what he's talking about and as to this

Shouldn't this type of thread be in De Bar or some other forum? I'm thinking it's not quite the type of thread that belongs here...maybe I'm wrong...

this is the bar homes... [_[                      

[PsiVal]

This is the most i hav written about any topic in a long time weh...& split how much is the course u doin cause i like psychology just never got to really study it...DE was your take on this haven't heard your veiw!!!
                     

[TriniXaeno]

nice thread!

let me add

does a bad father beget a bad son?

To add a lil flavour, in GATTs early days most of the trouble makers and people who just couldn't get along with others were from single parent households. More specifically, homes with no father. Broken homes.

Most were just single moms with no marital spouse and two had deceased fathers at a young age.

Very unfortunate circumstances.

Is this a recipe for a bad boy child?

Is it significantly more difficult for such a child to come out "good" without a strong male moral figurehead during those formative years?                    

[~*Ashiee*~]

This is the most i hav written about any topic in a long time weh...& split how much is the course u doin cause i like psychology just never got to really study it...DE was your take on this haven't heard your veiw!!!

psival
i am doing my degree so it is some good change

umm, u can do it at costtat and get your associates degree ok
they have places u can find out about it

but if u still interested u can check out www.uwi.tt                      

[TrinireturnofGamez]

Yes , but don't forget ' it takes a village to raise a child '  Alot of the people in that village are missing , there are no role models in society as a whole  . Even in the lack of good parenting , having a neighbour or a friend with  parents who can be good role models , a child can turn out to be an upright citizen .  
      Also , the CULTURE these days can be blamed ,  peer pressure to be the 'gangster' that all the rappers sing about,  what do you expect to happen to a young, maleable mind, when at every corner , you hear that smoking weed is good, and bustin caps brings respect ?                        

[DeadEyes]

here's my take, up untill i was 13 i was a member of a single parent family, lived with my mom, i had some male influence with my uncle...some...he wasn't around much. I love my mom Dearly, she made sacrifices for me to reach where i am today. Now...I saw the things my dad did and how much it hurt her, as a young guy i had a lot of crap in my life but instead of breaking it made me stronger, so single parenting isn't bad, the spirit of the individual has a lot to with it. and as trini said, it takes a village to raise a child. it's true, i had my aunts all 5 of them and my grandmother. yeah it's all women but i didn't turn out to be a bitch, or a thug or a vagabond. you see it's a conscious decision on the part of the individual as well, u see i had the negative, but i had the positive, not necessarily the positive the people would think of, mom was hardly around, yet i knew she was doing it for me. I listened at night when she cried, and she prayed for strength to see us through the day, not her, us, me and my sister..so when they have these stupid ass kids running around mouthing off and doing crap i get annoyed, cause it it's not only the parent's it's the kids too.                      

[SPK]

I agree, the child still has as much a part to blame as the parents in thesse cases....

I've seen more than enough cases, where the parents try EVERY DAMN thing in their power to try and help their children...and what do they do? They see their children going the wrong way, liming with the wrong crowd, etc. etc. etc.... and they will do it in spite of whoever tells them otherwise, be it mammy, daddy, auntie, nutsman etc.

The parent has a major part to play, don't forget that...but the onus is still on the judgement of the individuals themselves.

Saying that they are just a child, allows them the freedom to do wrong, under the premise that as a youngster, they can't be truly punished...hence why you are seeing the number of youths involved in so much crime...because they feel that beause of their age, they can 'get away with a couple years in YTC.'                    

[MASTER_RAGE3]

the apple dont fall far from the tree.so i will say if a parent cares the child will turn out better

as Herbert Mead said "give me a group of children and i can make them into a vagrant, piolt, scientist...ect"

if we take his view into consideration ie. the socialist view then it says even though the apple doh fall far from the tree, if it rolls to a better place ( a different environment)

it can be different

point taken                    

[W1nTry]

Very good topic!! yes I think to a LARGE extent parents are to blame, like most things in life there are always a number of contributing factors. However considering the important role that parents have to play in a childs development, when a child comes out completely #$#%^ I think the parents are prolly 90% responsible. Either they had a right to do something while things were becoming worse,  or in the least have put more effort, care, love, patience, attention and things would have been better.

Now secondly I know that the way human beings are that we all rather blame someone else for out shortcomings that take responsibility, this is a special instance. children up to a certain age have a much broader line between right and wrong and its the job of the parents to make sure they understand this and not let the PC, TV, non-family factors and even themselves push kids in the wrong direction. If a parent tries their best and it doesn't work out, thats ok, at least they tried. Ppl all learn from example from a very early age and the most prominent figure in most children's (I say most, I will get to that) lives is the parent/s. When parent are not around as is the case today the possibility of things going wrong increases (I said most earlier).

Thats all I have to say for now, I am sure more will come to me later                    

[TriniXaeno]

good point w1ntry.

without good parenting, the possibility of things going wrong increases.

I like that.

another thing we need to do is define a bad child.

Is it one that curses alot? disrespects women? says inappropriate and insulting things to others flagrantly? engages in vices?

I have tried to take the high road in life and follow the path of a paladin from the time I learned what the word meant, but even so, I can easily be classed as "bad" at one time or another in my life by another mans moral yardstick. Despite my own perception as a holy knight.

Perspective iwmc.                    

[PsiVal]

Societies ever changing & at times warped P.O.V.
We dont always see things as we should, communications-messages are distorted according environmental status, so 1 person view of a holy knight maybe anothers view of evil so to say...