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An 1ntellites dream come true?
« on: March 08, 2005, 03:32:09 PM »
For those in the 1ntel camp, this is their dream possibly coming true, if said words are true then @MD will have to pull out more stops to keep up. If not well BAH silly 1ntellites. Here is a very interesting article about Pent1um M EE amoung a few other goodies:
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Pentium M to get 64-bit support, Extreme Edition

Sossaman, wossaman, wossaname?

By Charlie Demerjian: Tuesday 08 March 2005, 11:57
A LOT OF PM NEWS floating around IDF last week. Let's get you caught up on the newer bits. First, there is a new socket, but we are not sure whether it is for Yonah, Sossaman or both. Either way, it has 480 pins, supports dual CPUs, and has a tag under the socket that looks like the picture below.

What more is there to say? How about Napa64 and a PM-EE? The PM-EE is more interesting of the two, it is a Yonah with the lid blown off the TDP. If you can have really good performance with the current 31w, imagine what you could do with 60? If, and I do mean IF, the project gets green lighted, expect it in late Q1/06 at ~2 apwwd bins above the current Yonah clock. That currently is 2.5GHz, and Yonah is currently capable of multipliers that will bring it above 3.0GHz, so it should be an pretty easy SKU to bring out.

Socket 480 tag.

Napa64 is a tad more iffy than the PM-EE right now. The theory is this, you have a great platform in Napa, so how do you compete with AMD if you don't have 64 bits? The EE is a start, but it is reactionary. You take the true next gen chip, Merom, and put it out early.

The problem with this approach is the chipset is a little behind the chip, so you twiddle the Yonah chipset enough to make it work. That is the basis of the Napa64 philosophy, and I can say there are boards up and running now in preparation for this. There won't be Meroms to plug into it for another two quarters or so, but it will be a good thing anyway. If AMD pulls out all the stops with the dual core Turion like the paranoid™ Intel is expecting, it will have a bunch of good counters.

Now, there are two open questions with this. If the Nehalem cores have CSI, how the #*(&$# do they fit in the PM socket? The short story is that Merom and Conroe were pulled in to counter AMD, and something had to give. That something was CSI, and it was cut out until the refresh of the Nehalem cores around the time that Tukwila is set to come out. Tukwila is going to be late, look for a late 2007 launch, maybe slipping into early 2008, and it will probably take CSI with it.

The other thing the socket brings us to is memory controllers. How can you bring the memory controller on board if you don't have the pins? Simply put, you don't, you keep it on the NB. It seems Intel values the flexibility of an external controller over the reduced latency for consumer level applications. While I can't say I agree, I do see there are several good reason to do so. If it goes deeper than that, can someone explain it to me please?

So, in summary, 480, 60w EE, Napa64 with two sockets, Merom without CSI and memory controllers, and Tukwila late. Got it? µ

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« Reply #1 on: March 08, 2005, 05:59:57 PM »
lol

sweatin indeed lol,

pm ee = omgwtfpwnage! lol, and when some sicko  oc men get there hands on that, lol, uber ownage



oh
ill also use this as an oppurtunity to rant an rave about how low and dutty and weak amd is.

Fusss i doh take on amd i only NOWWWWWW realise that flikkin amd bandit intel technologies with there silly a 64s using mmx ss ss2 and so on, they havent gotten there grubby mitts on ss3 as yet so thank goodness!

i have noooooooooooooooooo respect for amd now.
the tiniest little bit i had for them for having the first 1ghz desktop chip but now nooooooo                    

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« Reply #2 on: March 08, 2005, 06:27:14 PM »
Good grief...get a grip...AMD added SSE3 to the revision E chips long time...

...and use the Edit button next time please...                    

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« Reply #3 on: March 08, 2005, 09:53:51 PM »
Czar is right , AMD added SSE3 to their 'E' revision chips eg. Turion  , new  Opterons .   Also, AMD and intel have an agreement to share technology, so AMD didn't 'tief' intel's SSE extensions , and as a matter of fact, Intels 'EMT64' is just AMD's 64 bit extensions   strapped onto the prescott  core .....
   And you STILL won't see  pentium M chips  replacing the prescotts completely for a good while to come , only for the laptops...    
   Also cpus will become alot less usefull  soon with Physics processors coming out on expansion cards soon  , unreal 3 and a revision of the Doom engine will be using it ,  your cpu won't be under half as much stress as it is now with games like HL2 and FarCry , and you'll be using less system RAM .  So all this debate on who makes the fastest processors is going to waste .                      
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