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Anonymous

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RE: {GATT} TSTT and Competition
« on: July 02, 2004, 10:55:55 AM »
Ideals are nice eh man, but those ideals aren't a reality. What's a reality
now is poor service and the money people pay for it.

And throughout all this talk about being fair and supportive to
Trinidadians, how come it's only going from consumer to TSTT? Why isn't it
going from TSTT to consumer?

I can't speak for anyone else, but to me, it's not a matter of not being
loyal to Trinidad. I AM loyal to Trinidad. It's simply a matter of feeling
frustrated. I don't think TSTT is being fair to consumers, and I don't think
it's right for us to nurture the company with our money if all they intend
to give us is carrot on stick treatment.


Sometimes yuh hadda approach thing as a consumer. As much as TSTT is local
entity, it's also a business. And since it's chosen to put business before
nationalism, you shouldn't blame the consumer for doing the same.



And with all that schoolbuilding talk, are TSTT annual earnings records
publicly available so that we can see how much money goes where etc?





-----Original Message-----
From: gatt-admin@gatt.co.tt [mailto:gatt-admin@gatt.co.tt]On Behalf Of
Sean Alleyne
Sent: Friday, July 02, 2004 7:13 AM
To: gatt@gatt.co.tt
Subject: Re: {GATT} TSTT and Competition


i think those who are slaves to their rocks, will make better lives for all
those on the rock.

do u really think dat BG and BP are good for T&T? if your answer to dat is
yes, den u may also think dat Eric Williams "won" independence for T&T.
Independence was won by de butler & dem and de rest of de working class. ppl
who slaved behind this rock. we now enjoy some of what dey pelt stone for.
if we dont slave behind it, or fight to preserve it, or work to develop it,
den somebody else going to come and pretend to do it for us.

it eh have no hilton in Cuba u know. and despite all de embargos, dey still
boasting of millions in profit from tourism. daz de kinda resolve we shud
have here in T&T. we doh need new laws to make our police effective. we jus
need to enact de ones dat already exist! how many times do we whizz pass de
highway patrol (who's going at 80km/hr) on de highway and is no scene.

de gov't owns 51% of de tstt, den manning and panday shoulda be wielding dat
dildo and ensuring dat sam martin, cable & wireless, and whoever else are
accountable for all dat dey do/did. same for petrotrin, wasa, t&tec, nfm,
port authority, tidco, iscott, etc.... yuh see baego, we are the ones who do
ourselves in. we doh need competition to get better, we jus need to get
better. yeah yeah dey invest and create employment and bring expertise. aye,
dey got ah head start with free money from slavery and
indentureship/slavery. there must come ah time when we shud be able to
slowly reduce dat foreign investment, and with ah small start, finish big.

i reject those who allowed cable & wireless to steal from us. i reject those
who overpaid their tea ladies. i reject those who think dat allowing digicel
to open shop is going to be better for T&T. but i support any move to better
the ppl who live on my rock. so if it means ah few selfish ppl will benefit
from de introduction of digicel and its our only path to forcing ourselves
to get better, den so be it.

and yes adrian, it will mean less revenue to help build skools. but dat will
only affect de areas where there are none yet. so city folk need not worry
about dat.



>From: "[X]-Baego" <baego@gatt.co.tt>
>Reply-To: gatt@gatt.co.tt
>To: gatt@gatt.co.tt
>Subject: Re: {GATT} TSTT and Competition
>Date: Thu, 01 Jul 2004 21:55:56 -0400
>
>we shouldn't have to be slaves to this particular piece of rock jotting out
>of the ocean just because we happen to be born on it.
>
>there is much better living to be had on our planet earth. Much better
>deals, much better service, maybe not much better women though, for that we
>seem to be top toppa, but I digress. It is "our" planet and we are entitled
>to it's spoils just as anyone else.
>
>TSTT could hdmc. I headin Korea for some 10mbit luvin on the cheap!
>
>On a side note, let us remember that TSTT is not the only one pulling this
>stunt. We have several other isps on the island (wireless, cable, sat,
>etc...) and they aren't altogether stealing TSTT's market with brilliant
>service, high speed internet and cut throat pricing either. Some of them
>also carry the "TT" in their name.
>
>It is not simply a matter of competition, it is a matter of high speed
>internet and good service at a reasonable price. That's the real crux of
>the matter. As is, no one has gotten that down pat. In fact, of all the
>options, TSTT is the best of the lot. That's sad. That's what we really
>want. If any newcomer brings that, he'll get the market and their money.
>Regardless of nationality. Hardly a bold statement.
>
>
>
>
>
>Kayode James wrote:
>
>>All that patriotism and nationalism business could take a backseat. Paying
>>out of my ass for mediocre products and bad service because "Is We Ting"
>>doh seem the least bit progressive to me. TSTT's had years of exclusivity
>>and untold millions/billions in profit to build a proper base for
>>themselves and create a suite of services that are deserving of the prices
>>they charge. Instead, they chose to give customers the anal treatment and
>>pay tea ladies $5000 salaries.
>>F*ck TSTT. I refuse to coddle them because they have two T's in dey name.
>>If they wanted my money they woulda work harder fuh it. When the time come
>>is only salt idsmc.
>>  Is like a parent shelterin dey child even though they know the child is
>>a dishonest lazy imps. Time fuh some tough love.
>>
>>     -----Original Message-----
>>     *From:* gatt-admin@gatt.co.tt [mailto:gatt-admin@gatt.co.tt]*On
>>     Behalf Of *Maxximillian
>>     *Sent:* Thursday, July 01, 2004 2:56 PM
>>     *To:* gatt@gatt.co.tt
>>     *Subject:* {GATT} TSTT and Competition
>>
>>     Children Children
>>          Telecommunication Competition will only be in the form of a
>>     wireless service.
>>     Due to our genius forefathers that gave Cable and Wireless Land
>>     line rights till whenever caused the whole monopoly that is  TSTT
>>     to exist in the first place
>>          In any event no competiton is coming here to setup up fixed wire
>>     service when there is an established bearer network in place.
>>          Any Wireless Telecomm competition is going to have to go through
>>     TSTT at somepoint. Again makes no sense to setup new GSM/GPRS
>>     Antenna all over the place. When TSTT already have them there.
>>     Which means they'll be paying a rent to TSTT. So TSTT can afford
>>     to lower their prices knowing full well they gonna recover it or
>>     part from there Service Network Customers (DIGICELL) or their
>>     exisiting customers.
>>          The lowering of the prices though Sam Martin didn't say so and
>>     probably will never admit it, is to comply with the ITU, because
>>     they we charging too much for the service in the first place.
>>          Competition will force serious changes in TSTT their service is
>>     going to have to come up to par and the prices will fall some more
>>     too. So in the end they will be on same level as ya'll much sort
>>     after "competition".
>>          Services benefits and marketing is what will seperate
>>competition
>>     and most important ... loyalty....Do you want your TT $$.$$ going
>>     to Uncle Sam's Nephew or remain in Trinidad.
>>          Up to you.
>>
>>
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RE: {GATT} TSTT and Competition
« on: July 02, 2004, 10:55:55 AM »

Anonymous

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RE: {GATT} TSTT and Competition
« Reply #1 on: July 02, 2004, 01:11:24 PM »
depends on which.....TSTT(C&W) and T&Tec...anybody else running anything
else has to pay either these two....or get permission and pay the Gov't
something if ya putting down ya own poles.





----- Original Message -----
From: "Bellamy, Nigel" <nigel.bellamy@bg-group.com>
To: <gatt@gatt.co.tt>
Sent: Friday, July 02, 2004 12:50 PM
Subject: RE: {GATT} TSTT and Competition


> Who controls the polls?
> Tstt or t&tec?
>
> And I talking bout isp dependence on tstt bandwidth, not pots.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Maxximillian [mailto:maxximillian@carigamers.com]
> Sent: Friday, July 02, 2004 12:45 PM
> To: gatt@gatt.co.tt
> Subject: Re: {GATT} TSTT and Competition
>
> Just like with any new company that comes...
> Advantage TSTT...(Bearer Network)
>
> Digicell
> Sprint
> Verizon
> Virgin
> CCTT
> WOW
> INTERSERV
> CaribLink
>
> All Service Networks. provide a service utilizing the bearer network. So
if
> any of them was to set up shop here they will have to go through TSTT like
> the rest
>
> CCTT has phones and pays TSTT to use there poles to run wires just in case
> ya wondering.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Richard Williams" <dry@gatt.co.tt>
> To: <gatt@gatt.co.tt>
> Sent: Friday, July 02, 2004 11:42 AM
> Subject: RE: {GATT} TSTT and Competition
>
>
> > How can they deliver better or cheaper, when they all have to go through
> > TSTT at some point?
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: gatt-admin@gatt.co.tt [mailto:gatt-admin@gatt.co.tt]On Behalf Of
> > Bellamy, Nigel
> > Sent: Friday, July 02, 2004 11:36 AM
> > To: gatt@gatt.co.tt
> > Subject: RE: {GATT} TSTT and Competition
> >
> >
> > Check it from this angle.
> >
> > Logic suggests that with competition, tstt is going to improve it's
> products
> > and services and attempt to maintain it's market. (Which they have been
> > doing so far, massive reduction in residential DSL rates + international
> > rates and net2phone like services across the island)
> >
> > Some are saying that we gonna jump ship and carry our business elsewhere
> > regardless. (fedup)
> >
> > Some are saying we should consider remaining loyal to TSTT at that
> juncture
> > to keep the money circulating on the island. (logic)
> >
> > Some are still saying, to hell with 'em...elswhere iwmc (fedup)
> >
> > Note, that as of this writing, TSTT is still the best game in town.
> > Also, note that there are 8 or more other ISPs on the island.
> >
> > As much as I hate tstt, I'll jump ship only when someone delivers better
> for
> > cheaper. (logic)
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Kayode James [mailto:spider-guy@tstt.net.tt]
> > Sent: Friday, July 02, 2004 11:34 AM
> > To: gatt@gatt.co.tt
> > Subject: RE: {GATT} TSTT and Competition
> >
> > Not in this case. This is logic. Not loyalty perhaps, but perfect logic.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: gatt-admin@gatt.co.tt [mailto:gatt-admin@gatt.co.tt]On Behalf Of
> > Bellamy, Nigel
> > Sent: Friday, July 02, 2004 11:02 AM
> > To: gatt@gatt.co.tt
> > Subject: RE: {GATT} TSTT and Competition
> >
> >
> > Exactly, fedupness has a habit of throwing logic out the window.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Kayode James [mailto:spider-guy@tstt.net.tt]
> > Sent: Friday, July 02, 2004 11:04 AM
> > To: gatt@gatt.co.tt
> > Subject: RE: {GATT} TSTT and Competition
> >
> > Ideals are nice eh man, but those ideals aren't a reality. What's a
> reality
> > now is poor service and the money people pay for it.
> >
> > And throughout all this talk about being fair and supportive to
> > Trinidadians, how come it's only going from consumer to TSTT? Why isn't
it
> > going from TSTT to consumer?
> >
> > I can't speak for anyone else, but to me, it's not a matter of not being
> > loyal to Trinidad. I AM loyal to Trinidad. It's simply a matter of
feeling
> > frustrated. I don't think TSTT is being fair to consumers, and I don't
> think
> > it's right for us to nurture the company with our money if all they
intend
> > to give us is carrot on stick treatment.
> >
> >
> > Sometimes yuh hadda approach thing as a consumer. As much as TSTT is
local
> > entity, it's also a business. And since it's chosen to put business
before
> > nationalism, you shouldn't blame the consumer for doing the same.
> >
> >
> >
> > And with all that schoolbuilding talk, are TSTT annual earnings records
> > publicly available so that we can see how much money goes where etc?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: gatt-admin@gatt.co.tt [mailto:gatt-admin@gatt.co.tt]On Behalf Of
> > Sean Alleyne
> > Sent: Friday, July 02, 2004 7:13 AM
> > To: gatt@gatt.co.tt
> > Subject: Re: {GATT} TSTT and Competition
> >
> >
> > i think those who are slaves to their rocks, will make better lives for
> all
> > those on the rock.
> >
> > do u really think dat BG and BP are good for T&T? if your answer to dat
is
> > yes, den u may also think dat Eric Williams "won" independence for T&T.
> > Independence was won by de butler & dem and de rest of de working class.
> ppl
> > who slaved behind this rock. we now enjoy some of what dey pelt stone
for.
> > if we dont slave behind it, or fight to preserve it, or work to develop
> it,
> > den somebody else going to come and pretend to do it for us.
> >
> > it eh have no hilton in Cuba u know. and despite all de embargos, dey
> still
> > boasting of millions in profit from tourism. daz de kinda resolve we
shud
> > have here in T&T. we doh need new laws to make our police effective. we
> jus
> > need to enact de ones dat already exist! how many times do we whizz pass
> de
> > highway patrol (who's going at 80km/hr) on de highway and is no scene.
> >
> > de gov't owns 51% of de tstt, den manning and panday shoulda be wielding
> dat
> > dildo and ensuring dat sam martin, cable & wireless, and whoever else
are
> > accountable for all dat dey do/did. same for petrotrin, wasa, t&tec,
nfm,
> > port authority, tidco, iscott, etc.... yuh see baego, we are the ones
who
> do
> > ourselves in. we doh need competition to get better, we jus need to get
> > better. yeah yeah dey invest and create employment and bring expertise.
> aye,
> > dey got ah head start with free money from slavery and
> > indentureship/slavery. there must come ah time when we shud be able to
> > slowly reduce dat foreign investment, and with ah small start, finish
big.
> >
> > i reject those who allowed cable & wireless to steal from us. i reject
> those
> > who overpaid their tea ladies. i reject those who think dat allowing
> digicel
> > to open shop is going to be better for T&T. but i support any move to
> better
> > the ppl who live on my rock. so if it means ah few selfish ppl will
> benefit
> > from de introduction of digicel and its our only path to forcing
ourselves
> > to get better, den so be it.
> >
> > and yes adrian, it will mean less revenue to help build skools. but dat
> will
> > only affect de areas where there are none yet. so city folk need not
worry
> > about dat.
> >
> >
> >
> > >From: "[X]-Baego" <baego@gatt.co.tt>
> > >Reply-To: gatt@gatt.co.tt
> > >To: gatt@gatt.co.tt
> > >Subject: Re: {GATT} TSTT and Competition
> > >Date: Thu, 01 Jul 2004 21:55:56 -0400
> > >
> > >we shouldn't have to be slaves to this particular piece of rock jotting
> out
> > >of the ocean just because we happen to be born on it.
> > >
> > >there is much better living to be had on our planet earth. Much better
> > >deals, much better service, maybe not much better women though, for
that
> we
> > >seem to be top toppa, but I digress. It is "our" planet and we are
> entitled
> > >to it's spoils just as anyone else.
> > >
> > >TSTT could hdmc. I headin Korea for some 10mbit luvin on the cheap!
> > >
> > >On a side note, let us remember that TSTT is not the only one pulling
> this
> > >stunt. We have several other isps on the island (wireless, cable, sat,
> > >etc...) and they aren't altogether stealing TSTT's market with
brilliant
> > >service, high speed internet and cut throat pricing either. Some of
them
> > >also carry the "TT" in their name.
> > >
> > >It is not simply a matter of competition, it is a matter of high speed
> > >internet and good service at a reasonable price. That's the real crux
of
> > >the matter. As is, no one has gotten that down pat. In fact, of all the
> > >options, TSTT is the best of the lot. That's sad. That's what we really
> > >want. If any newcomer brings that, he'll get the market and their
money.
> > >Regardless of nationality. Hardly a bold statement.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >Kayode James wrote:
> > >
> > >>All that patriotism and nationalism business could take a backseat.
> Paying
> > >>out of my ass for mediocre products and bad service because "Is We
Ting"
> > >>doh seem the least bit progressive to me. TSTT's had years of
> exclusivity
> > >>and untold millions/billions in profit to build a proper base for
> > >>themselves and create a suite of services that are deserving of the
> prices
> > >>they charge. Instead, they chose to give customers the anal treatment
> and
> > >>pay tea ladies $5000 salaries.
> > >>F*ck TSTT. I refuse to coddle them because they have two T's in dey
> name.
> > >>If they wanted my money they woulda work harder fuh it. When the time
> come
> > >>is only salt idsmc.
> > >>  Is like a parent shelterin dey child even though they know the child
> is
> > >>a dishonest lazy imps. Time fuh some tough love.
> > >>
> > >>     -----Original Message-----
> > >>     *From:* gatt-admin@gatt.co.tt [mailto:gatt-admin@gatt.co.tt]*On
> > >>     Behalf Of *Maxximillian
> > >>     *Sent:* Thursday, July 01, 2004 2:56 PM
> > >>     *To:* gatt@gatt.co.tt
> > >>     *Subject:* {GATT} TSTT and Competition
> > >>
> > >>     Children Children
> > >>          Telecommunication Competition will only be in the form of a
> > >>     wireless service.
> > >>     Due to our genius forefathers that gave Cable and Wireless Land
> > >>     line rights till whenever caused the whole monopoly that is  TSTT
> > >>     to exist in the first place
> > >>          In any event no competiton is coming here to setup up fixed
> wire
> > >>     service when there is an established bearer network in place.
> > >>          Any Wireless Telecomm competition is going to have to go
> through
> > >>     TSTT at somepoint. Again makes no sense to setup new GSM/GPRS
> > >>     Antenna all over the place. When TSTT already have them there.
> > >>     Which means they'll be paying a rent to TSTT. So TSTT can afford
> > >>     to lower their prices knowing full well they gonna recover it or
> > >>     part from there Service Network Customers (DIGICELL) or their
> > >>     exisiting customers.
> > >>          The lowering of the prices though Sam Martin didn't say so
and
> > >>     probably will never admit it, is to comply with the ITU, because
> > >>     they we charging too much for the service in the first place.
> > >>          Competition will force serious changes in TSTT their service
> is
> > >>     going to have to come up to par and the prices will fall some
more
> > >>     too. So in the end they will be on same level as ya'll much sort
> > >>     after "competition".
> > >>          Services benefits and marketing is what will seperate
> > >>competition
> > >>     and most important ... loyalty....Do you want your TT $$.$$ going
> > >>     to Uncle Sam's Nephew or remain in Trinidad.
> > >>          Up to you.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >
> >
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RE: {GATT} TSTT and Competition
« Reply #2 on: July 02, 2004, 02:57:18 PM »
lol



----- Original Message -----
From: "Adrian" <rampage@ultra-gamers.com>
To: <gatt@gatt.co.tt>
Sent: Friday, July 02, 2004 1:20 PM
Subject: Re: {GATT} TSTT and Competition


> 60KM!
> any faster and my mum won't let me drive the car :(
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Bellamy, Nigel" <nigel.bellamy@bg-group.com>
> To: <gatt@gatt.co.tt>
> Sent: Friday, July 02, 2004 1:17 PM
> Subject: RE: {GATT} TSTT and Competition
>
>
> > Tell that to fibreline, since they've done it already.
> >
> > The difference between text book and practical. Thesis and reality.
> >
> > Gov't policy says no driving above 80km...what's your average speed down
> to
> > wallerfield?
> >
> > Don't make me laugh.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Maxximillian [mailto:maxximillian@carigamers.com]
> > Sent: Friday, July 02, 2004 1:13 PM
> > To: gatt@gatt.co.tt
> > Subject: Re: {GATT} TSTT and Competition
> >
> > not fesable..I gotta lend you  some text books to see what this
> > involves....and....Gov't policies inplace....to force services to
utilize
> > existing...where possible.
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Bellamy, Nigel" <nigel.bellamy@bg-group.com>
> > To: <gatt@gatt.co.tt>
> > Sent: Friday, July 02, 2004 12:51 PM
> > Subject: RE: {GATT} TSTT and Competition
> >
> >
> > > Is that a trick question?????
> > >
> > > The answer: fibreline
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Maxximillian [mailto:maxximillian@carigamers.com]
> > > Sent: Friday, July 02, 2004 12:47 PM
> > > To: gatt@gatt.co.tt
> > > Subject: Re: {GATT} TSTT and Competition
> > >
> > > Who is gonna come here and run fibre to houses baego?
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Bellamy, Nigel" <nigel.bellamy@bg-group.com>
> > > To: <gatt@gatt.co.tt>
> > > Sent: Friday, July 02, 2004 12:16 PM
> > > Subject: RE: {GATT} TSTT and Competition
> > >
> > >
> > > > Fibreline goes through a satellite connection. As do many of the
> others.
> > > >
> > > > They don't go through TSTT at all.
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Richard Williams [mailto:dry@gatt.co.tt]
> > > > Sent: Friday, July 02, 2004 4:42 PM
> > > > To: gatt@gatt.co.tt
> > > > Subject: RE: {GATT} TSTT and Competition
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > How can they deliver better or cheaper, when they all have to go
> through
> > > > TSTT at some point?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: gatt-admin@gatt.co.tt [mailto:gatt-admin@gatt.co.tt]On Behalf
Of
> > > > Bellamy, Nigel
> > > > Sent: Friday, July 02, 2004 11:36 AM
> > > > To: gatt@gatt.co.tt
> > > > Subject: RE: {GATT} TSTT and Competition
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Check it from this angle.
> > > >
> > > > Logic suggests that with competition, tstt is going to improve it's
> > > products
> > > > and services and attempt to maintain it's market. (Which they have
> been
> > > > doing so far, massive reduction i
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RE: {GATT} TSTT and Competition
« Reply #3 on: July 02, 2004, 04:57:04 PM »
Phil, they will be able to compete because the telecom act seeks to level de
playing field. it paves de way for the competitor to pay de incumbent (tstt)
a "cost-based" fee for use of their network.

and dats not all it does. there are some clauses in there dats gonna ensure
dat tstt has no advantage being the existing and dominant provider. some of
dem are actually very unfair, but i guess its necessary to "break up" a
monopoly right. maybe some of dat same energy and money coulda go into
managing de mc monopoly to begin with.

does petrotrin have a monopoly on refining in T&T? wonder if some jacko
thinking about mashing up their monopoly as we speak, rather than running in
there with ah big stick and straightening out de place.......even if it
means licking down some of yuh ole skool friends and campaign financiers.

de reality is none of our balls big like Castro's..............



>From: Phil Rose <phil@rosemedia.com>
>Reply-To: gatt@gatt.co.tt
>To: gatt@gatt.co.tt
>Subject: Re: {GATT} TSTT and Competition
>Date: Fri, 02 Jul 2004 19:39:30 +0200
>
>Maxximillian wrote:
>
>>This has nothing to do with Patriotism....in fact I am one of the most
>>unpatriotic mudda F..... you could find.....since I was six I always said
>>home is where the Bed is. However at the same time I en going to let
>>nobody take any thing away from me, like my TT dollars if I could help it.
>>  Knowledge of the system...Telecomm Systems. . I didn't spend 2 + years
>>studying the thing and doh know what ah talking about. And having an unlce
>>who is possibly one of the best in the country in terms of Telecom
>>Transmission
>>PHIL regardless of how big a company is...it is Economically as well as
>>realisticly stupid to put down a whole new network where there is one
>>already. TSTT is the established bearer...whether they use a different
>>frequency or not they gonna use TSTT CELL site Ants.
>
>that might be so for a landline network, but I know what happened over in
>germany..we had 3 companies planting their own antenna networks
>all over the place - heck u could make good money renting out your rooftop
>:)
>it didn't seem to make any sense economically - but them companies are
>still around, making good money.
>okay.. maybe I'm getting carried away - tdad doesn't seem to be the most
>lucrative market right now, but still.
>let's say at&t is finally coming (I hear they are coming next year :) ..
>how could they possibly compete if they had to use tstt's network ? :)
>
>a normal gsm base-station covers a max. range of about 35 km - so basically
>u only need to set up stations in the most populated areas.
>
>
>
>
>>Like it or not use it or not they gonna get competition and they will
>>improve. the choice will be up to you.
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RE: {GATT} TSTT and Competition
« Reply #4 on: July 02, 2004, 05:03:40 PM »
And Adrian, read the story of Mahatma Ghandi or Nelson Mandela or Eric
Butler or anyone of your great great grand parents when yuh done read that
email......



>From: "Maxximillian" <maxximillian@carigamers.com>
>Reply-To: gatt@gatt.co.tt
>To: <gatt@gatt.co.tt>
>Subject: Re: {GATT} TSTT and Competition
>Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2004 13:15:55 -0400
>
>Read the Protest TSTT thread...
>
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Adrian" <rampage@ultra-gamers.com>
>To: <gatt@gatt.co.tt>
>Sent: Friday, July 02, 2004 12:57 PM
>Subject: Re: {GATT} TSTT and Competition
>
>
> > hey why should trinis boycott and suffer? i mean its a way of getting
>things
> > resolved but you harming your lifestyle.  you say boycott the
>system...cell,
> > internet, etc. dred you know what you saying they? you know what does
>happen
> > to me if i eh have internet for a day self? sometimes when i switch isps
>an
> > the modem hadda ship which takes about a week, you know what does go on
> > witih me...i does be unstable. i does walk around the house, watch tv
>get
>up
> > walk around again, i sure i not the only one that could go mad without
>net,
> > especially when you have responsibilities and things to carry out.
> >
> > now lets look at the life of a wife. she goes on the net to check her
>mail,
> > talk to her friends, find job information or research stuff. <boycott
>net
>=
> > none of that>. then she goes to work, calls her husband on the cell to
>say
>i
> > love you and will be there shortly or even self make some important
>calls
>to
> > the kid who may be in school or something. <boycott cell = none of
>that>.
> > what you asking for is way too much, maybe back in the early 90s you
>coulda
> > do something like that, but not now. we rely on the system too much now,
>is
> > like electricity and water, we need it. it has become a necessity. so to
> > prove something to tstt and get them to realise our suffering which im
>sure
> > they are pretty aware of and just dont care we hadda salt and show the
> > system the middle finger. you feel is caveman days or wha? there are
>other
> > ways of getting around to them. people putting up petitions an thing all
> > over the net, why dont all of you who doing that go infront of all the
>tstt
> > main buildings and their building in town and protest ? i mean the
>amount
>of
> > people i see sign up on the online things, allyuh go sure as hell be in
>high
> > numbers.
> >
> > to boycott something which we depend on greatly is a very difficult
>thing,
>i
> > mehself prefer to just complain which may get me no where so i will then
> > protest infront of tstt building on fredrick street. if no one joins in
>on
> > the protest i go pay the vagrants a lil money and let them help me
>protest.
> > taking away net from some people who rely on it for school work,
>pleasure,
> > communication etc is torture, you may endure it but someone in love or
>who
> > like to keep in contact with friends would not. maxx what if you really
> > liked someone and like to talk to them everyday? you go say well you
>know
>i
> > boycotting the system so i go travel up by you or we go talk after. she
>go
> > think you a weirdo :(
> >
> > anyway i doh think boycotting is a good thing to do, even if its just
>for
>a
> > few days, for you to get tstt attention it go require large numbers of
> > boycotts which will lead to a breakdown in other systems. remember each
> > system depends on each other. communication system depends on the
> > electricity system, electricity system depends on the water system,
>water
> > system etc. so if you and others boycott <and it go hadda be large
>numbers>,
> > you may not be able to do research, your kid may not be able to do his
> > school work, your wife may not be able to chat with her friends. and you
>go
> > end up in pressure or your buisiness or something related to your family
>go
> > end up in pressure. you willing to risk it all ?
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Maxximillian" <maxximillian@carigamers.com>
> > To: <gatt@gatt.co.tt>
> > Sent: Friday, July 02, 2004 12:19 PM
> > Subject: Re: {GATT} TSTT and Competition
> >
> >
> > > Well get some more fustrated people together and decide not to use the
>the
> > > phones and the internet...
> > > Trinis are to proactive...they're reactive and they react like
> > > you...COMPLAIN...
> > >
> > > imaging if you get enough people together and not use the system for a
> > > couple days. Actually this will only work for Telephones Land lines.
> > Seeing
> > > that we pay packages for our phones and internet.
> > >
> > > I am fustrated too...
> > >
> > > So I stop using the land phone. less money I give them the better for
>be.
> > My
> > > cell is a package so I stick within that package limit.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Kayode James" <spider-guy@tstt.net.tt>
> > > To: <gatt@gatt.co.tt>
> > > Sent: Friday, July 02, 2004 11:03 AM
> > > Subject: RE: {GATT} TSTT and Competition
> > >
> > >
> > > > Ideals are nice eh man, but those ideals aren't a reality. What's a
> > > reality
> > > > now is poor service and the money people pay for it.
> > > >
> > > > And throughout all this talk about being fair and supportive to
> > > > Trinidadians, how come it's only going from consumer to TSTT? Why
>isn't
> > it
> > > > going from TSTT to consumer?
> > > >
> > > > I can't speak for anyone else, but to me, it's not a matter of not
>being
> > > > loyal to Trinidad. I AM loyal to Trinidad. It's simply a matter of
> > feeling
> > > > frustrated. I don't think TSTT is being fair to consumers, and I
>don't
> > > think
> > > > it's right for us to nurture the company with our money if all they
> > intend
> > > > to give us is carrot on stick treatment.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Sometimes yuh hadda approach thing as a consumer. As much as TSTT is
> > local
> > > > entity, it's also a business. And since it's chosen to put business
> > before
> > > > nationalism, you shouldn't blame the consumer for doing the same.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > And with all that schoolbuilding talk, are TSTT annual earnings
>records
> > > > publicly available so that we can see how much money goes where etc?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: gatt-admin@gatt.co.tt [mailto:gatt-admin@gatt.co.tt]On Behalf
>Of
> > > > Sean Alleyne
> > > > Sent: Friday, July 02, 2004 7:13 AM
> > > > To: gatt@gatt.co.tt
> > > > Subject: Re: {GATT} TSTT and Competition
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > i think those who are slaves to their rocks, will make better lives
>for
> > > all
> > > > those on the rock.
> > > >
> > > > do u really think dat BG and BP are good for T&T? if your answer to
>dat
> > is
> > > > yes, den u may also think dat Eric Williams "won" independence for
>T&T.
> > > > Independence was won by de butler & dem and de rest of de working
>class.
> > > ppl
> > > > who slaved behind this rock. we now enjoy some of what dey pelt
>stone
> > for.
> > > > if we dont slave behind it, or fight to preserve it, or work to
>develop
> > > it,
> > > > den somebody else going to come and pretend to do it for us.
> > > >
> > > > it eh have no hilton in Cuba u know. and despite all de embargos,
>dey
> > > still
> > > > boasting of millions in profit from tourism. daz de kinda resolve we
> > shud
> > > > have here in T&T. we doh need new laws to make our police effective.
>we
> > > jus
> > > > need to enact de ones dat already exist! how many times do we whizz
>pass
> > > de
> > > > highway patrol (who's going at 80km/hr) on de highway and is no
>scene.
> > > >
> > > > de gov't owns 51% of de tstt, den manning and panday shoulda be
>wielding
> > > dat
> > > > dildo and ensuring dat sam martin, cable & wireless, and whoever
>else
> > are
> > > > accountable for all dat dey do/did. same for petrotrin, wasa, t&tec,
> > nfm,
> > > > port authority, tidco, iscott, etc.... yuh see baego, we are the
>ones
> > who
> > > do
> > > > ourselves in. we doh need competition to get better, we jus need to
>get
> > > > better. yeah yeah dey invest and create employment and bring
>expertise.
> > > aye,
> > > > dey got ah head start with free money from slavery and
> > > > indentureship/slavery. there must come ah time when we shud be able
>to
> > > > slowly reduce dat foreign investment, and with ah small start,
>finish
> > big.
> > > >
> > > > i reject those who allowed cable & wireless to steal from us. i
>reject
> > > those
> > > > who overpaid their tea ladies. i reject those who think dat allowing
> > > digicel
> > > > to open shop is going to be better for T&T. but i support any move
>to
> > > better
> > > > the ppl who live on my rock. so if it means ah few selfish ppl will
> > > benefit
> > > > from de introduction of digicel and its our only path to forcing
> > ourselves
> > > > to get better, den so be it.
> > > >
> > > > and yes adrian, it will mean less revenue to help build skools. but
>dat
> > > will
> > > > only affect de areas where there are none yet. so city folk need not
> > worry
> > > > about dat.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > >From: "[X]-Baego" <baego@gatt.co.tt>
> > > > >Reply-To: gatt@gatt.co.tt
> > > > >To: gatt@gatt.co.tt
> > > > >Subject: Re: {GATT} TSTT and Competition
> > > > >Date: Thu, 01 Jul 2004 21:55:56 -0400
> > > > >
> > > > >we shouldn't have to be slaves to this particular piece of rock
>jotting
> > > out
> > > > >of the ocean just because we happen to be born on it.
> > > > >
> > > > >there is much better living to be had on our planet earth. Much
>better
> > > > >deals, much better service, maybe not much better women though, for
> > that
> > > we
> > > > >seem to be top toppa, but I digress. It is "our" planet and we are
> > > entitled
> > > > >to it's spoils just as anyone else.
> > > > >
> > > > >TSTT could hdmc. I headin Korea for some 10mbit luvin on the cheap!
> > > > >
> > > > >On a side note, let us remember that TSTT is not the only one
>pulling
> > > this
> > > > >stunt. We have several other isps on the island (wireless, cable,
>sat,
> > > > >etc...) and they aren't altogether stealing TSTT's market with
> > brilliant
> > > > >service, high speed internet and cut throat pricing either. Some of
> > them
> > > > >also carry the "TT" in their name.
> > > > >
> > > > >It is not simply a matter of competition, it is a matter of high
>speed
> > > > >internet and good service at a reasonable price. That's the real
>crux
> > of
> > > > >the matter. As is, no one has gotten that down pat. In fact, of all
>the
> > > > >options, TSTT is the best of the lot. That's sad. That's what we
>really
> > > > >want. If any newcomer brings that, he'll get the market and their
> > money.
> > > > >Regardless of nationality. Hardly a bold statement.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >Kayode James wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >>All that patriotism and nationalism business could take a
>backseat.
> > > Paying
> > > > >>out of my ass for mediocre products and bad service because "Is We
> > Ting"
> > > > >>doh seem the least bit progressive to me. TSTT's had years of
> > > exclusivity
> > > > >>and untold millions/billions in profit to build a proper base for
> > > > >>themselves and create a suite of services that are deserving of
>the
> > > prices
> > > > >>they charge. Instead, they chose to give customers the anal
>treatment
> > > and
> > > > >>pay tea ladies $5000 salaries.
> > > > >>F*ck TSTT. I refuse to coddle them because they have two T's in
>dey
> > > name.
> > > > >>If they wanted my money they woulda work harder fuh it. When the
>time
> > > come
> > > > >>is only salt idsmc.
> > > > >>  Is like a parent shelterin dey child even though they know the
>child
> > > is
> > > > >>a dishonest lazy imps. Time fuh some tough love.
> > > > >>
> > > > >>     -----Original Message-----
> > > > >>     *From:* gatt-admin@gatt.co.tt
>[mailto:gatt-admin@gatt.co.tt]*On
> > > > >>     Behalf Of *Maxximillian
> > > > >>     *Sent:* Thursday, July 01, 2004 2:56 PM
> > > > >>     *To:* gatt@gatt.co.tt
> > > > >>     *Subject:* {GATT} TSTT and Competition
> > > > >>
> > > > >>     Children Children
> > > > >>          Telecommunication Competition will only be in the form
>of
>a
> > > > >>     wireless service.
> > > > >>     Due to our genius forefathers that gave Cable and Wireless
>Land
> > > > >>     line rights till whenever caused the whole monopoly that is
>TSTT
> > > > >>     to exist in the first place
> > > > >>          In any event no competiton is coming here to setup up
>fixed
> > > wire
> > > > >>     service when there is an established bearer network in place.
> > > > >>          Any Wireless Telecomm competition is going to have to go
> > > through
> > > > >>     TSTT at somepoint. Again makes no sense to setup new GSM/GPRS
> > > > >>     Antenna all over the place. When TSTT already have them
>there.
> > > > >>     Which means they'll be paying a rent to TSTT. So TSTT can
>afford
> > > > >>     to lower their prices knowing full well they gonna recover it
>or
> > > > >>     part from there Service Network Customers (DIGICELL) or their
> > > > >>     exisiting customers.
> > > > >>          The lowering of the prices though Sam Martin didn't say
>so
> > and
> > > > >>     probably will never admit it, is to comply with the ITU,
>because
> > > > >>     they we charging too much for the service in the first place.
> > > > >>          Competition will force serious changes in TSTT their
>service
> > > is
> > > > >>     going to have to come up to par and the prices will fall some
> > more
> > > > >>     too. So in the end they will be on same level as ya'll much
>sort
> > > > >>     after "competition".
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RE: {GATT} TSTT and Competition
« Reply #4 on: July 02, 2004, 05:03:40 PM »

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RE: {GATT} TSTT and Competition
« Reply #5 on: July 04, 2004, 02:15:13 PM »
lol


-----Original Message-----
From: gatt-admin@gatt.co.tt [mailto:gatt-admin@gatt.co.tt] On Behalf Of
[X]-Baego
Sent: Sunday, July 04, 2004 7:43 AM
To: gatt@gatt.co.tt
Subject: Re: {GATT} TSTT and Competition

I think it's safe to say, hymc!!!!

Corbeaux wrote:

>This man obviously gained some sense since the last time he posted on this
>mailing list!!
>
>Agree!
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: gatt-admin@gatt.co.tt [mailto:gatt-admin@gatt.co.tt] On Behalf Of
>Bellamy, Nigel
>Sent: Friday, July 02, 2004 12:58 PM
>To: gatt@gatt.co.tt
>Subject: RE: {GATT} TSTT and Competition
>
>Lol @ premature ctrl+enter
>
>Good point.
>
>TSTT have their hand in your cookie jar, no doubt.
>
>But there is an opportunity still for Wireless + sat + cell + voip
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Richard Williams [mailto:dry@gatt.co.tt]
>Sent: Friday, July 02, 2004 12:52 PM
>To: gatt@gatt.co.tt
>Subject: RE: {GATT} TSTT and Competition
>
>frickin hell. i wasn't done typing...
>
>anyway. TSTT is always part of your business, and their bills are always a
>significant chunk of the profits. You can't win. All your base are belong.
>IF your customer calls you, they get a cut. If you call them, they get a
>cut. If you send them an email, they get a cut. Such is the nature of a
>communications monopoly.
>
>Thinking in terms of running a business, how would you compete with TSTT?
>
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RE: {GATT} TSTT and Competition
« Reply #5 on: July 04, 2004, 02:15:13 PM »

 


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