are there any military nuts out there?

[Rommel]

I don't just mean hardware (but yes all hardware, ships planes tanks guns missles etc) but also tactics and operational plans & concepts etc.

lemme see who really on my level and if we could have a good talk                    

[Flippant]

i think you are scaring away the people who just have some knowledge (like me)
years ago i used to read hardware books like Jane's all the time, now i dont follow it as much.
as for tactics, i am most familiar with small unit tactics i see on documentary type shows.
not into ships that much.

but what still interests me alot is stealth and counter-stealth tech.                    

[New Era Outlaw]

I may have seen one or two lying about the place, but when was the last time you saw a cashew weilding an AK-47?

[rimshot]
[audience boos]

What? I thought it was funny.

Mr. Ed: And I'm a walrus, young 'un.
Me: Really? Neat!  
Mr Ed: [rolls eyes]                    

[Bob]

*raises hand*

  Im more interested in the Recon and Infiltration methods of the military.I've also spent a considerable amount of time looking up the US military's unarmed fighting techniques.Im also a big fan of small unit tactics.Quick and efficient.

I've downloaded a sh!tload of training manuals ranging from Jungle Operations to sentry removal and Recon.

Btw the way what do you think of the US army's move to draw potential recruits using the America's Army game.                    

[Rommel]

if it works

the thing is not everyone who would actually be successful in the military has to be the physical type plus there are those who would think that it is not for them when it would turn out that they are naturals at it

and vici versa

this way it allows the combat arm to give potiential recruits a better idea what military life is like (to a point) since when the american army isn't fighting, it is training to fight
(all of the services are like that)

I see everyone here is more into small unit tactics
I guess that you all realise the true nature of such units and how limited they CAN be, depending.........

but have you heard of air force special tactics (combat air controlers/pathfinders*/pararescue**) and if so what is your opinion of them
while most army spec ops claim they are not needed and cite evidence to the point, the air force ST units claim otherwise and they cite evidence to the point


* the pathfinding is normally for spec forces or delta ( and maybe seals)
** the pj's from vietnam were integrated into USAF ST, giving them their pararescue capability


also, what information do you have on Delta Force, I know their origin but what of other details (order of battle/number of people etc., equipment, s.o.p.'s tatics)                    

[Flippant]

forward air combat controllers (FAC's) played a critical role in the vietnam conflict. they proved that situational awarness is critical.
they often orbited 'hot' zones to relay information air/ground ground/air at risk to their own lives. many were shot down.

i think that with new battle information systems, FAC's would no longer be needed, since with gps and radio, forces can put fire on targets they cant see with more ease.

as for pathfinding, it is still important with this age of stellite tech because the hight resolution of a military satellite is somewhere around 10 cms. still can't see people too well.

and for para-rescue, while the spec ops might be all gung-ho and think they dont need them, wait till you get a bullet in your a$$, then tell me again.

dont know much about delta force, except that there are many,many crappy movies based on them that are totally unrealistic.


question: what movie has the most realistic battle depiction of tactics you have seen?                    

[Imperial_X]

I used to be a fanatic of the ground based weaponry but I've slowly evolved to become an air combat psycho.

I shoot all j00 ground based beetches with my agm 65's.  I love to see tv guided bombs in action.  What could be cooler than bombing the crap outta somebody some 20 000 feet in the air?                    

[coledraft]

I am into the airforce (that is the WWII airforce)...I love the hawker hurricane MKI for combat and for escort the Supermarine Spitfire MX..and as for the morden airforce nothing will please me more than the A10 Thunderbolt                    

[Reaper2051]

The German Blitzkrieg of World War 2 plus the major combat of the Pacific theater those are my historical favourite battles                    

[Bob]

I have a question you guys watch stargate sg1 right?
Well we know that the air force is in control of the stargate program so what does that make Colonel O'Neil and his men Airforce Combat Controllers?  I never saw any of them wearing a "red beret" before .

Anyways back to reality

Man info on delta is pretty much scarce I cant even find out the total unit strength much less info on their equipment. All i have is their origin and their battle history.

  Even the Fort Bragg website is devoid of info. However it is rumored that up to 2,500 personnel are present at this facility.The TO (Table of Order) for Delta consists of three operational squadrons, a support squadron, a signal squadron, an aviation platoon, and what is termed the "Funny Platoon". This funny platoon is reported to be the only JSOC unit including female operators. Selection for all of these units is rigourous with more focus on mental abilities and toughness than physical.

thas all i cud find

hey check this out military humour

http://members.tripod.com/DELTA_184/RandR/.../Humor/013.html                    

[coledraft]

I am into the airforce (that is the WWII airforce)...I love the hawker hurricane MKI for combat and for escort the Supermarine Spitfire MX..and as for the morden airforce nothing will please me more than the A10 Thunderbolt

OH and for tech info on my WWII planes
Hawker Hurricane has an air cooled V merlin Rolls Royce engine (more rugged than that of its liquid cooled counterpart), can withstand a considerable of fuselage damage and still sustain a controlled flight, it is loaded with ten guns and hence it make an ideal fighter especially for dogfights...(Recalls Colber College)

Spitfire MkX is what I consider a fighter/bomber aircraft. It has a liquid cooled V merlin Rolls Royce engine, it has a higher ceiling limit that that of the hawker, loaded with cannons and guns and can also carry rockets and bombs                    

[Rommel]

P 51 mustang and the F4U corsair for me

flippant what I meant was if anyone heard of a group of fellas known as Air force special tactics who provide special operations forces with experts in arifield seziure in denied areas(pathfinding, note not airport), FAC/combat air control, extrication of friedlies, as well as Pararescue/medic and rescue specialist who help care for hostages and wounded

they do all these things full time and have the best equipment for FAC (laser designators),
kinda hard for a "green beret" to lug his weapons and equipment to do his own specialty and a laser designator

what I wanted to know is if people have an opinion of them, whether they feel they are necessary or not since special forces can do those things on their own, but perhaps not at the degree of performance as the Air force special tactics, however there is evidence and opinions to support both views
however one thing spec force can't do is combat air (traffic) control
i.e. manage airspace and air assets



I didn't think you would have much but I never heard of the funny platoon so that is something
the truth is that while it is common knowledge that delta force exists (common to defense analsts and like people) the unit is still not officially recognised by the government and sec def as well as the military

Air force special tactics/operations do exist
however I think that in stargate Colonel Oneil's military career speciality is undefined
we know that there are ground combat arms for security and air force personnel are assigned as conventional forces FAC's

however I think the original Stargate script (the movie) was taking creative licence having airforce personnel as the main combat element

however Samantha Carter is supposed to be an F-15 pilot or F-15E WSO as she said she had flying experience in the 1991 Gulf war in an F-15
due to her skills as a scientist her transfer would be natrual

also air force control of the base is realistic as the air force seems to be the primary military arm of the US that deals with "off planet" R & D

also note that SG 3 as well as at least one other team are marine

but I don't think that Jack is a Air force ST man
but his character could've gotten his back story with the AF ST's as a reference                    

[coledraft]

Well the P-51D Mustang is a nice aircraft with the same engine as the hawker but it has a higher celing level. The disadvantages are that its fuel tank is very large and bulky hence making it relatively clumpsy on a full tank...but it does however perform pretty well when it is on half tank..the mustang is equippen with rockets and no more than 4 guns...it however has a tighter turning radius than the hawker on average but there is a way to acheive an equivalent radius with the hawker but that's my secret...lol...for more you can check me on the zone with Combat Flight Simulator WWII series                    

[Imperial_X]

Don't you have to slow down airspeed, rotate on the yaw by a certain amount of degrees and pull up on the stick?  I mean nothing else could give you a tighter turn than that.  Unless you're probably stalling and hurdling out of control.

Or you could install Thrust Vectoring V-22 style.  lmao                    

[coledraft]

yup but the actual magnitude of radius varies with the plane                    

[Imperial_X]

That's why I love my F 16.  Advanced air speed control systems rule.  Those WWII things are alright but I hate dog fighting.  I mean flying into the sun isn't something I like doing very much.                    

[Rommel]

in WWII nothing was as important as engine power and fire power

manuverability was second

just look at how well the zero made out

engine power was critical as that would lead to speed and rate of climb (very important)

note behavior will be different in the game than in real life for a variety of reasons

also the P-51 supposed to have six (6) 50 cal machine guns                    

[coledraft]

six guns it is. So its all about engine power and gun power primarily and not manuverability. I would have to disagree. I would say that all of the factors mentioned above were in fact critical characteristics...I mean check how many times have you flown a Republic or spitfire in a dogfight against focke wolfs and Mustangs..you would see how easily those guys get on your tail and nail you (I am of course assuming that the pilots are of at least veteran level)...Never underestimate the power of manuverability it has saved me from a variety of virtual deaths.                    

[Bob]

From my understanding in the dogfights of ww2 it was the one who cud climb faster and train his guns on the enemy from a higher vantge point that usually won the dogfight.                    

[Imperial_X]

Those WWII planes are probably so slow that I might be able to tv guide bombs on them during evasive actions.