E3 2013

[Berzerk]

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B00BGA9WK2/15-24-20


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[Reaper2051]

WAIT! They want to release the PS4 ON NEW YEAR'S EVE!?!!?!!?!? HAVE THEY GONE MENTAL!?!?!!?!?!?

[Qloxx]

But we all know slanted is soo much better

[Arcmanov]

Titan Fall! Sold! (But wasnt titan fall suppose to be on PC too? i hear man say exclusive)

Ok site saying for PC too. If killer come on PC is gg, xbox coudl suck salt.
But if it not on PC, ill buy it for killer.

http://www.dsogaming.com/news/titanfall-officially-confirmed-for-the-pc/?utm_source=rss

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2013-06-10-respawns-titanfall-confirmed-for-pc-xbox-360-xbox-one

http://www.joystiq.com/2013/06/10/titanfall-is-an-xbox-one-exclusive-from-respawn-entertainment/

[MessiaaH]

Its clear that the real winners at e3 is the gamers.

But I trying to decide who win between Sony and ms.
I doing up meh list to compare.

Xbox:

Killer instincts
Sunset Overdrive (insomniac)
Ryse
Halo
Titanfall
Dead Rising
Qauntum Break


PS4:

The order
Killzone shadow fall
Infamous Second son
Knack
Final Fantasy 15
Drm free, -$100, no always online.

Hmmmmmmmmmm.
Ill say that ms has to drop the price and remove drm if they smart. But seeing how they react to windows 8 criticism I think they will make said changes. But then again, when they charged for xbl men say that go never work, ms mad, they go buss, and they actually skyrocket since then. Would not be surprised if d same thing happen here.

From a purely games standpoint I think I leaning to MS still, I want that killer bad, and plenty of d other titles available on PC. Was never a killzone fan, but this one looks epic, infamous looks good too, but apart from those two, MS Exclusive lineup looks better.

I on the Xbox bandwagon this time around. (MS please drop that price and remove drm).

My best E3 games so far:
Titanfall
Warframe
Battlefield 4
Destiny
Watchdogs
Witcher 3
Dragon Age
Starwars Battlefront
Ass. Creed 4
Division
Sunset Overdrive
And last but not least, Killer Instincts!

[TriniXaeno]

I think we should do a PC list as well.....there is a shockingly high number of games coming to that platform.

As arc just pointed out....even the epic looking Titan Fall has been confirmed for PC release.

Of course, it isn't in the interest of Sony nor Microsoft to hype that fact....so we may need to do a little internal hyping ourselves.

on a side note....poor nintendo

[MessiaaH]

Remove killer from my list and all the others are PC........

And g Nintendo we have the following confirmed, all system sellers in their own right:

New:
Mario Kart
Smash Bros
Mario 3rd
Zelda wind waker hd remake
Zelda HD (maybe)

With a 1st party lineup like that I wont count Nintendo out yet.

[Eroo]

[TriniXaeno]

absolutely hilarious. One for the Attack on Titan fans

Also,

I wasn't aware Netflix was free on PS4. Must have missed that in the presentation. Definitely a plus for the Sony camp.

[AvatarTT]

Possible spoilers for Game of Thrones Episode 9:

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Sony gave Microsoft a Red Wedding

[Arcmanov]

Possible spoilers for Game of Thrones Episode 9:

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Sony gave Microsoft a Red Wedding

Expect a brand new onslaught of Kaz memes. 

Somebody needs to make a Raging Demon one.


I am very sorry...but the choice is clear for me.  I'm gonna miss you Halo,  *sniff* 
but Sony gave me more reasons to choose em.  Not paying more money for more restrictions.

What a gut-punch sho-ryu-ken.   This was a calculated move by Sony to capitalize on MS' fumbles, and boy oh boy did they capitalize.

I'm quoting myself here, because I believe this is even MORE relevant now...

1. Full body motion tracking  You 'got' me there.
2. Skype  M$ does own Skype now.  Moot point.
3. Ability to independently upgrade software on device without requiring full firmware/os update due to segregated game and apps os  Nice, but so what?
4. Hdmi pass through for simultaneous / alt tab viewing of tv/games  I can do this now by switching inputs with my TV remote
5. Snapped viewing of apps/ games (useful for snapped Skype videos whiles playing co-op) on big screen  ...because I really need to be doing so much other stuff instead of concentrating on the game I'm playing
6. Voice/motion controlled UI  Nice to have, but making it's use mandatory is not a 'pro'
7. Variety of windows apps made possible by the running of the windows NT kernel.  Can't argue with that, but people have Windows PCs already.  Do we really need unnecessary apps on our console?
8. Force feedback triggers allowing for better experience in shooters / racers  "better experience"?  Subjective
9. Ability to use Xbox to replace TiVo devices with digital access to cable channels via Kinect commands with intelligent channel detection (say "watch hbo" and the Xbox will change to the appropriate channel on your cable box"  Totally irrelevant to users outside the US

.....just to name a few.

And! Since the hardware between both are similar, the Xbox one will also be capable of the same graphical prowess in games as the PS4.  If developers can harness the power and capabilities of the PS4's beefier GPU, you might have to revise that statement

So like I said, if Sony don't have a killer "Exclusive" lineup, what's the point?

Any other questions?

You ask 'what's the point'?  Have you not seen the general reaction to the Xbox One thus far?

You seem to have adopted the same attitude as M$ that somehow these 'features' are going to help sell the console.
Newsflash: it's the GAMES (the REAL 'killer apps') that are going to sell this thing.

This looks to me like another case of Microsoft trying to apply one standard to two already well established markets. Win 8 is an attempt to merge the tablet and desktop OS. This is an attempt to merge the gaming console and media hub device.

Now mind you, the XBox 360 already has some ability to do this.

However, people who don't need gaming are already buying AppleTVs, Boxees, and other media devices. These are well established and the market has been maturing. Besides that, there is no additional charge to use Netflix or Hulu+ on top of your monthly fee like there is with XBox Live.

As for me, I use my console as a gaming device. I don't need or really want Kinect. I still see no integral use for it. I don't use the media capabilities because I already have a HTPC
that does media streaming better than any console ever could.

Essentially, they are playing up the media stuff and playing down the video game stuff. But the problem is that I don't see this device expanding the market for the folks interested in media devices. There are cheaper alternatives.



Lets talk about gamers now...you know, the market that actually wants to buy the thing to play GAMES on it.
For gamers, the media stuff is decidedly secondary.  I never wake up a morning and decide to use my console for Netflix.
In that nice list you put up there, you conveniently left out some other things that the XB1 could do that the PS4 (possibly) can't, namely...

10. Games are now to be locked to your account.  There goes the used games market.  There goes the ability to borrow a game at your leisure to 'try out'
      and decide if you want to buy it.  I've lost track of the amount of console titles I've borrowed and sold over the years, many times to buy other games, new and used.
11. Always on.  Not everyone likes the idea of a console that's connected to the internet, with a camera and microphone, sitting in their rooms, 'watching' them.
     (I didn't even know this was an issue, but that's what reading will do for you).
12. Always online.  If the Adam Orth debacle didn't clue you in to just how big of an issue this is, then nothing that I say will.
     The pros and cons of this have been discussed ad nauseam.  It's a bad strategy.  No one likes it...well except M$ and EA.
     There goes a huge swath of gamers who don't have access to a persistent, reliable internet connection, and depending on location, none at all.


You see 10. and 12.?  Those two points overshadow the first 9.  You've seen the reactions yourself.
Yet you're going to sit there and tell me...based on 'logic', that this console is 'superior'.  Just because YOU say so?  It don't work like that 'bro'.
All the Xb1 have on PS4 right now is Kinect, and superior high-polygon dog tech. 

AFTER E3, it is US, the GAMERS (not YOU), who will decide which console is superior...and not a MOMENT before, because right now, M$ on thin ice.

[TriniXaeno]

hahhaa @ red wedding

+1

It is insane how one sided the facebook poll is in favour of Sony.

https://www.facebook.com/groups/gattcarigamers/

Just wow....

[MessiaaH]

Wyatt you know whats funny? This would not affect sales of the xbox one atal.
The reaction to Windows 8 metro was just as vocal as this, and it still sell in droves.

Actually I want more negative reaction, it go force MS to drop price and remove drm (like they adjusting windows 8 now). But when it comes right down to it, the xbox one is still going to sell in massive quantities, maybe even more than the ps4 regardless. Either way, I not worried bout the xbox one, cuase if it sell, MS go just make more money and smile ear to ear (like they did with xbl), and if it not selling, they go just drop d price. and remove drm.

We all seem to forget that the ps3 launched at 650$, and guess what? they did just fine, they drop d price and that was all. The Nintendo 3ds was d same issue, too expensive at launch it did not sell, they just drop the price.
Those are easy things for MS to fix if it's an overwhelming issue. So I not worried atal.

Personally though:

I don't care about DRM or Used games (im primarily a PC gamer, and I prefer to get all my games on steam, so I really don't care bout drm or borrowing games.)

I don't care about always online because I am always online.....

And I don't care about paying 100$ more.

So for me "personally" when it comes down to it, the games I playing and the functions of the console is what going to decide it for me. And from a purely games perspective, right now I prefer the titles offered by the xbox one. I just cannot watch killer come back and eh freak that, its going to happen.

And as a PC gamer, most of my games go be on that platform anyway, so drm and thing matter even less too me. Cuase when I buy a console, it go be just for the few exclusives available on said consoles, which I would buy and not borrow anyways. Namely, Killzone, and Infamous at this point, 2 games I never play and don't bound to play.

Ill get into ps4 later in it's life cycle maybe, but this is d first time I going xbox primarily yes.
It would be nice if I could play gears 2 and 3 on the xbox one though, cause I never play any xbox games. And I love gears, so would be nice to finally play those.

Now time to see what Nintendo can do.

[TriniXaeno]

Talking about in the context of the Caribbean. Our region.

It is DEFINITELY going to affect sales here.

I had a friend buy an Xbox for his son some months ago and he was looking to sell it because all of his son's friends were on PS3.

Poor kid was the only one in his circle with an xbox. That is very telling and looks to be a trend that will continue in Trinidad with the release of the PS4.

[MessiaaH]

Well we know long time trini is playstation territory lol.

[TriniXaeno]

Yeah boy.

Would have been interesting to see if Microsoft could have pulled back market share this generation.

Surprised there hasn't been any revolt over Sony going pay-to-play for multiplayer.

Free online play was the huge advantage that kept trinis flocking to the console (imo)

We'll see what happens come Christmas.

[Arcmanov]

Talking about in the context of the Caribbean. Our region.

This.

The used games issue alone will determine for lots of Trinis where their money will go.

...and $100 US is a lot of money for some people...still.

Remember those points, 10, 11, and 12 which I added to the 'list' of things that the PS4 'couldn't' do?
Look hiw important those issues turned out to be for these next-gen platforms.

M$ has to remove their restrictive policies, and/or lower the price to remain competitive, but I don't think they can, regardless of the criticism.
I think they were backed into this situation by the very 3rd party publishers who have the most to gain from the type of DRM that they want to implement.  Hence the 'juicy' exclusivity agreements.

I don't think the Xbone is going to fail, but they're probably not going to 'win' (according to whatever metric you want to use).

They've already lost critical mindshare before a single consumer dollar has been spent.





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[MessiaaH]

Wait, psn is pay-to-play now also?

I had that as one of the advantages in my mind for ps4, guess go scratch that one.

And yes @ arc, the only people that can benefit from all that drm balls is the publishers, cudos to sony for putting they foot down and not allowing it. But I record, more and more "juicy" exclusive deals will go MS way since publishers could get they way on MS platform, and if that starts happening, sony will have to change they tune on the drm issue.

As far as pricing goes, that easy for MS to drop, and they have the cash, they can do it. I think at the same pricepoint, it could make the drm pill easier to swallow.

But I honestly don't see publishers allowing sony to run loose without consequence. Take insomniac for instance, previously a PS exclusive shop, now they have an xbox exclusive and not a single ps4 game announced from them at e3.

Will be an interesting battle between xbox and ps4.
But the real winners are the PC gamers, almost all non-exclusive next gen games is coming to PC.

[Arcmanov]

...which is why I'm so very happy about Watch_Dogs and Titanfall.

...and then there's Battlefield 4. 

Do I even *need* a console? 
No.....but Killzone: Shadowfall ain't gonna play itself. 






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[MessiaaH]

Same question i asking myself, do i even need a console?

Nintendo's showing has level me thoroughly disappointed.

But like u say, Killer Instincts aint gonna play it self. And Zelda HD, whenever they decide to release that, not gonna play itself either.

If they only bring killer to PC is GG eh.
And we really need The Devision for PC as well, it should be a crime to keep that game off the pc.