Rise of the Machines: Epic battle of the ages between PCs, Consoles and Mobiles

[TriniXaeno]

• Windows - $4.411 billion revenue with $1.09 billion profit
• Online Services - $800 million revenue with $372 million loss
• Servers and Tools - $5.502 billion revenue with $2.33 billion profit
• Entertainment and Devices - $1.915 billion revenue with $110 million loss
• Business Division - $7.231 billion revenue with $4.87 billion profit


BOOM!

Amm...how is that a boom when they are losing money in the areas where mobile devices are rising?

Epic Win @ Halo mobile though!

Now that is BOOM BANG!



PC release imminent?

[MessiaaH]

Is boom because people has been crying the death of PC for the longest while, they've been saying mobile devices taking over, they been saying windows dead. Clearly it aint.

And they suffered some serious loss on Surface RT (mobile), so most of the losses reported in entertainment and devices was actually because of a mobile product. (Microsoft writes off 900 Million due Surface RT )

Anyways, is boom because PC aint going anywhere.

And to Halo, I'm downloading it right now on my Surface Pro (A PC) so technically you should have it now also. Click the link and click buy!

[MessiaaH]

BOOM!!!!!!!!!!!

[TriniXaeno]

Microsoft's success with Windows and Business has very little to do with the death of PC gaming.

I fully expect mobile devices in the future will also run Windows (they are surely powerful enough to do so) but that is besides the point. It is on the desktop form factor that the real war is being waged.

We cleared that up many posts ago.

Less and less people are gravitating towards the desktop PC as their gaming platform of choice despite it being vastly superior to all other challengers.

Microsoft hasn't done much to stem that tide since they (probably in their wisdom) saw the writing on the wall years ago and positioned themselves well to take advantage of the trend with the xbox, xbox 360 and now Xbox One.

The results are sobering because I thought they were doing better financially than Nintendo and Sony with their  entertainment products. Especially with Live.

Looks like all three consoles giants have been struggling to make $$ with that particular division.

Bad news for them.....great news for mobile.

Microsoft "bounce dey head" with RT. It was a stupid product and in no way capable of defeating the android offerings at that price point.

Surface Pro made much more sense but still a bit too pricey to win over the masses.

If that should reach down to magical figures like $299 and $399 they will destroy the market. Until then, long live Android.



And yeah, I trying to buy the Halo game all now but the Microsoft store doesn't seem to want my money

[MessiaaH]

I not talking bout PC gaming wyatt, talking bout PC in general.  The "Post-PC" era.

Microsoft making way too much money on windows for that to happen.

Also, keep in mind, we dealing with figures at the end of a console generation, they are going to be lower, and MS is going to suffer losses. You have to put things into perspective. The year before the Xbox One ? of course figures going to decline.

And yes MS bounce they head with RT, they recently dropped the price by 150$ so an RT device can be had for 350$, better, but I agree still not low enough. And I also agree if they get surface pro price down to 5~600$ they go destroy the market, but that's only a matter of time, Surface 2 is expected soon, so when Surface 1 stock start going for gunta price, things go change for them. (Just to note, I think the surface pro is priced fairly because is a laptop u really buying)

But Microsoft's struggle in mobile is a testament to just how strong a monopoly they have in the PC market. A huge chunk of their profits come from that. PCs aint going anywhere. Not even Desktops. All enterprises runs off PC desktops. Doesn't matter how much mobile rise, desktops still litter the halls of every company. That monopoly not going to be easy to break.

And as to Halo, sucks to be u, but im playing halo Spartan assault right nao!

[TriniXaeno]

I not talking bout PC gaming wyatt, talking bout PC in general.  The "Post-PC" era.

Then you're off topic. lol

The war is on the gaming desktop. Not personal computing in general which will not end in the foreseeable future.

I don't subscribe to that "end of a console generation" excuse at all. This should be the gravy train time for them. Having fully saturated a market with xbox consoles over the last five years. They should be rolling in the dough as a large percentage of those boxes delivers $49.99 a year in subscription fees along with extra dollars for digital games, DLC, etc....

Very telling that they aren't making money. Scary for the future of consoles if such deep pockets and proven business expertise can't deliver shareholder value from their entertainment line.

Yeah, fully agreed at Surface RT power fail.

Can't wait for the Surface Pro 2 though and I don't agree that the price is fair. You can have VERY capable laptops for US$499.99

That could even run a decent game or two.

Surface is cool but not cool enough to warrant the price for a person who already owns a laptop, desktop and several tablets. (which quite frankly is going to be a large percentage of the market interested in the product in the first place, lol)

I dunno bout you.....but in the enterprise around here, desktops are already dead. Laptops have taken over completely.

Tablets are only now creeping in but I expect that will gain considerable traction as Surface Pro 2 comes to market.

Second generation tablet running native windows apps and can dock? SOLD

gg desktop no re

Only a matter of time before the Windows Phone can do the same and then BOOM...one device to rule them all.

Take your office with you EVERYWHERE. Every exec will have one.

[MessiaaH]

Laptops have a much stronger place in the workplace in my neck of the woods, but desktops still clearly dominant.

And wyatt, I don't know why u not accepting the end of the console era argument, but to each his own I guess. Is just business, sales of a old product does always drop right before the launch of a new one. It don't mean Microsoft didn't make money over the life span of the xbox. they Hey days of the xbox Microsoft was infact rolling in though. But the last quarter (the quarter right before new console launch) figures obviously not going to look as good, because nobody spending money, everybody waiting on next gen. Also I pointed out to you that 900 Million $ hit on Windows RT contributed to that, don't know why u attributing the entire 300 mil loss to xbox when surface rt was 900 million $ loss......For all we know the xbox division itself did infact made profit.....

And you talking bout shareholders this shareholders that, Microsoft made 5 Billion $ in Profit dude, shareholders happy lol.

And I say surface is priced fair because laptops with the same specs in the marketplace right now, cost the same or more than a surface. It's fair for what it is, yes u can get cheap laptops for 500$, but it infereior to the specs in the surface. If u go to buy a laptop with d same specs as a surface, u going to pay that same price or more. So having that in a sexy form factor, will full tablet capabilities. I think the price was fair. But cheaper cant hurt. Surface 2 price will remain the same I'm sure, 1000~1300 price range. But the old stock of Surface 1 is what will drop. So dont expect gen 2 wave of Suface devices on any other laptop / tablet to be a different price model all of a sudden. You going to get what u pay for. Want a 500$ device? you'll have to go with last year tech, or inferior specs. Want latest and greatest? 1000$ is not a bad asking price. Hell, an iphone at launch does be 850$, getting a full pc in tablet form for 1000$ is fair.

[TriniXaeno]

The market agrees with me unfortunately.

Surface Pro sales are dismal in an era where mobile devices are selling as hot cakes.

Surface RT should have been that $499 laptop in spec and performance instead of the garbage offered.

Tablet pricing and laptop performance for a win win combo.

They got it wrong in 2013.

I hope they adjust and get it right in 2014.

Also...shareholders are never happy. They always want more and if a division is bleeding money expect it to be ostrasized. Heads will roll.

[MessiaaH]

The price being right for sales and fair is two different thing eh.

for what you getting imo its fair, consumers don't care about fair, they care about cheap lol. Aka android.

[TriniXaeno]

but don't you agree that they can have their cake and eat it too?

there are decent laptops for cheap. Microsoft could have offered a modestly spec'ed Surface that could run native x86 code.

win win

I think Zerk showed me an Acer device that did precisely that.

[MessiaaH]

Acer could do that because they beeen making cheap shit (yes Acer products are shit) for years, this is MS first PC, I honestly think they offered their best. They were the cheapest high end device on the market for what it can do.

and Acer having cheap devices didn't help their sales either.

[MessiaaH]

Microsoft: Xbox One Sets Impressive Pre-order Sales, Sold Out At Most U.S. Retailers


Microsoft announced Xbox One few months back and started taking pre-orders via various retailers like Amazon, Best Buy, Microsoft Stores, etc,. Xbox One, the next generation console from Microsoft which will launch this November, has already seen impressive pre-order sales.

Microsoft revealed the fact that Xbox One pre-sales are trending ahead of Xbox 360 during the same time period. And they even announced that Xbox One Day One edition is sold out at most U.S. retailers. This is good news for Microsoft because Xbox platform revenue declined in the last quarter due to poor sales of the current generation console Xbox 360 across the globe.

This is exactly what I was talking bout, now saw this article.

[TriniXaeno]

I still think is is very poor for Microsoft to be counting for sales of the actual xbox 360 console itself to be a big income earner in the twilight of the system.

Their ecosystem around xbox live should have been generating tons of revenue from the existing install base.

lame

Also, I would think 7 years later, there would be a much larger market for the xbox console and pre-order sales should easily out trend that of the xbox 360 (which itself should have out trended the original xbox)

Nice marketing twist but no real relevance.

Don't get me wrong though, not against the console itself cause I'll still be buying one for Halo and Kinect, lol

[MessiaaH]

This has nothing to do with Xbox, is just how business work.
Pick any product u want, sales does always decline right before d launch of something new that everybody want.

It does happen with the iphone every year.

And microsoft IS making a ton of revenue on Xbox still, just not as much as when Xbox was at it's peak.
7 years later is not the peak for any tech product, d peak is in the middle of the product life cycle. Check it back with other products and see.

And again, I don't know why u talking like Xbox doing poorly when is windows rt responsible for the losses......
Xbox doing just fine Wyatt....

[TriniXaeno]

Pick any product u want, sales does always decline right before d launch of something new that everybody want.

This!

I am saying the strategy with xbox should never have been about SALES of the console at the end of its lifecycle.

Business model should have been to seed enough units over its life span into the market to then make tons of money from the massive install base.

That can't be too hard to grasp messiaah. come nah man.

This was supposed to be the edge Microsoft had over Sony who only tried to implement that strat on the PS3 with PSN plus late into the game. Free gaming network would have been a drain on them whereas MS was raking in the dollars with xbox live.

The quote you posted above said xbox PLATFORM revenue declined because of poor sales of the xbox console globally.

Nothing about RT there.

I thought sales of the console would be rather moot at this stage of the life cycle.

[MessiaaH]

I understand your point, and fair enough.
but I also easily understand why revenue decline if you stop selling consoles.
but they are still making a profit on the Xbox.

so is not to say they suffering a loss, they just not making as much as they was making when consoles was selling strong.
that understandable no?

Their business model could very well be what u saying it should be, and they could very well be making a shiton of money off services, but you going to definitely have a decline if any section of their platform takes a hit.
even if is 100$ it will be reported as a decline.

but rt didn't suffer decline, it suffer loss, I.e. Expenditure was higher than revenue.
that's not the case with Xbox.

Don't know why u beating Ms with ah 2x4 so because of Xbox when they are perfectly fine there.
The losses the company suffered was cause of rt. 900million in losses to be exact......

[TriniXaeno]

Yes, understandable.

And don't get me wrong, I'm not beating up MS. Just was a little surprised, is all.

But as you said, it could be that they made 8.5 billion instead of 9 billion. So even though there was a decline....they could still be making ridiculous money on the platform.

Would have to see the figures to confirm if that was the case.

Oh and in other Rise of the Machines news!

Microsoft finally decided my money was good enough for them.

BOOM BANG

Halo immc

First review is in.

A solid 90%

http://www.pocketgamer.co.uk/r/Windows+8/Halo%3A+Spartan+Assault/review.asp?c=52497

[MessiaaH]

Boom!

[TriniXaeno]

http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/androidcentral/~3/E5OfPaHTGNQ/story01.htm

and so they rise

[MessiaaH]

I hope they rise fast.
I need more power in my mobile devices.

I starting to get fedup of the surface, it not powerful enough.

When I use my desktop after using d surface all day, it does feel like I driving ah Bugatti vs ah kia.
And d longer I have meh surface, d more and more stuff I trying to do on it, and I quickly realizing the limitations of a mobile device. I need me a mobile laptop replacement with ah 16gb RAM, i7 CPU at least.

And what the hell is up with battery technology. Those dude only focusing on making things more powerful, but nobody like they studying battery life. I think is about time we have a mobile device that can last a few days on Normal Use. Anybody know anything about battery advancement? D latest thing is wireless charging, which just serving as a mild sedative for the real issue. I was hearing thing bout organic batteries that can be constantly recharged by wifi waves, but all talk bout that dead, big watery stueps.