the star wars total universe

[Rommel]

this is mainly for shivadee and all those who read the expanded universe

what do you think of the new jedi order era and the Yuuzhan Vong?

and how many novels do you own or have read?

I own 45                    

[shivadee]

I own about 30 or so. I have read about the same amount i believe.

As far the the NJO is concerned i have not read much, really just 2 books of the series so i really dont know all that about the Yuuzhan Vong but more about what happens before.

But still from what i have learned were that the Vong are deffinitley considered practically and ultimate warrior race. Their biological weapons posess abilities equal to or superior to that of the New Republic. All i know is these guys come out of nowhere and totally catch them offside with a straight up attack that is ploughing straight through their known galaxy.

If you want how bout if we start after ROTJ, with The Truce at Bakura. There is lots to be learned from here till NJO so we wont have to keep backtracking all the time. I dunno its just an idea, this is your thread man, go strong.                    

[Rommel]

Admiral Pellaeon, the prodigy of Grand Admiral Thrawn, a very dread man

I never read Truce of Bakura, but I don't think much of some of the writers with regards to how they explain some of the details in the universe

put it this way, some of the details of vong tech is different among certain books

my favorite books are those written by Timothy Zahn, Michael Stackpole and Aaron Allston (including the NJO novels written by the latter 2, I haven't heard of Zahn writing one in the NJO yet)

I find that they have the best feel of the Star Wars universe
Zahn's novels rival Lucas's original story telling with his original characters integrated among the original
and how he tells a grand story that has the fate of the galaxy in the balance with the highest points of conflict between the New Republic and the Empire
Stackpole tells a more personal story as does Allston about a less well known group of heros, but Stackpole has created, in my opinion, the best character in the expanded universe, Coran Horn, though Mara Jade is the most popular, Corran has his own novel which is BIG for a star wars novel

almost half of my collection is NJO 16 to be precise, but I don't have them all
the rest is mostly the X wing series (9) Zahn's series (5)
and an assortment of others
but two of my books are prequel novels (original storylines set sround the time of the prequels)

I would be interested in the last two books of the Han Solo trilogy (the one about his origin)
as well as any Xwing novels past no 9 (if there are any)

as well as Truce at Bakura

SPOILER ALERT>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

but I didn't like the death of Ani
someone else should've died
the NJO Ani was cool
I think the storyline might of been cooler if all of the Solo children survived



but the baddest man in the expanded universe is Corran Horn, second only to Wege Antillies

who do you think it is?                    

[shivadee]

COrran kicks @SS in my opinion. When reading I, Jedi you realize this guy posesses a uniuqe Jedi ability to make people THINK they are seeing him do things more so than a regular Jedi. His Telekinesis is weaker too, but apparenty different Jedi have different traits. He also coasts with a silver lightsabre, very cool. I dont know if it still has the extention to become a jedi lance.

Oh yes i remember now, Coran has that ability like Vader did to absorb energy around him and use it for himself.

Mara in my opinion i one of my favs. She just dread like that. After reading the "heir to the empire" trilogy (as i call it) we learn how dread this girl was. In the comic books by dark horse "Star wars tales vol 1" is basically short stories about what happened prior to A NEW HOPE and possibly during its events as well. We see Vader as he hunts the last of the Jedi, it appears to be Adi Gala, and we see the special opperative of Palpatine, Mara Jade at work.
Another comic i have is "the wedding of luke and mara" where you see how she has changed from her first encounter with Luke in "heir to the empire". SHe has turned to the good side but is still a bad@ss.
If you read "Tales from Jabbas Palace" we learn that Mara was supposed to get onthe barge where Luke was supposed to rescue his friends. Luke had a premonition that he saw his lightsabre leave R2 to fly up in the air only to be pulled away by Force powers and into the hands of a woman. The woman was supposed to be Mara, and it would have spelt Lukes doom.
I like Mara alot personally. From the images we see of her in the comics, to the photo they have of her in the star wars.com archives.

I have Truce At Bakura hard cover. Would you believe i only payed 30TT for this? I found it on sale at that books store in Mid Centre in Chaguanas downstaris. They have REAL good books on sale, you just need to rummage through some crap to get to it. It takes place the day after ROTJ so not so much as what happens interests you but moreso the events after the battle. What they did, how only some of the Empire knows of this loss, some didnt want to believe and so forth. It is the beginning of the diplomacy of Leia and it begins at Bakura.                    

[Exar_Kun]

Well it seems I take the cake.The number of SW books I've read is coming up on 80.

I like the NJO a lot.I think the way you think about it is how you take the major deaths that happen in it.If you take them badly,like I did,you can resent the series for a long time.
But in the end it was excellent,a fair-mediocre start but it really heightened towards the end with many good books in a row,cept for those damn force heretic books.                    

[Rommel]

I had a long winded post and my connectionwas terminated

but here it is in summary

read NJO because if you liked the characters and stories by expanded universe authors
those same authors write NJO books centered around what they originally did
therefore, Stackpole did a two part series with Corran Horn as one of the main characters (btw, his force illusuion abilites are not unique it is his capacity for the that is; also yes his lightsaber is still dual phase)

who wrote the last novel (if it ended)
did Timothy Zahn write in NJO
I would've thought he would end it since he writes a grand story that encompases the entire galaxy better than the rest


also did any of you read side trip (in tales of the Empire)
it is a short novel written in 4 parts, 2 by Zahn and 2 by Stackpole
it includes Corran Horn as a Corsec officer with his farther as his (senior) partner
and Grand Admiral Thrawn being his dread self manipulating everyone to his agenda

oh how I miss books with Mitt'raw'nuruodo

I wonder who would win between Wedge Antillies and Thrawn?

Half of my passion for Star Wars is the tech; Starfighters, Star Destroyers, Mon Cal Crusiers etc. (I also know quite a bit about real military hardware)

does anyone share my similar obsessions in the SW universe.....................?

but Kun is right,
you have to be careful about the NJO books, some of them are labourus to read
it might be easier to go into labour than read those                    

[PapaSmurf]

What of the Jedi academy series? and the prodigal Jedi twins: Jacen and Jaina Solo?

are they to be left out as well, what of the Jedi training academy and its newest student the Yoda/human hybrid Dumah?                    

[Reaper2051]

Fianlly a thread for Star Wars Geeks  i thought i was the only geek in this place                    

[shivadee]

I never read the young Jedi series. It is geared towards children but still ppl read it just for the storyline. I should read them.

Any of you guys like the new trilogy? I dont like it atall. Episode 2 was ok, i have a feeling 3 is gonna redeem my interest though. Anyone got their hands on the leaked footage from the 3rd instalment? I saw it the other day.                    

[Exar_Kun]

What of the Jedi academy series? and the prodigal Jedi twins: Jacen and Jaina Solo?  

are they to be left out as well, what of the Jedi training academy and its newest student the Yoda/human hybrid Dumah?

Not to sound redundant,but what of it?

And exactly what is that Yoda/human hybrid thing you're talking about.                    

[Rommel]

yes episode 2 was weak for 2-3 reasons

1 George Lucas tried to direct romance, which he can't do (he made Natalie Portman look like a rookie actor)
2 some parts were too long and poorly written, especially the romance sections
3 the movie didn't have contrast with only two real parts of action, the first (Obi-Wan vs Jango Fett) being too short in both the sparring and the space sequence, the rest of the movie seemed to only be there just to inform us about some details of the overall story and wasn't really entertaining

just remember episode 3 should be at least mostly after the clone wars
therefore the clone wars was made a cartoon
some GATT member should get a compilation for us (don't look at me)

What of the Jedi academy series? and the prodigal Jedi twins: Jacen and Jaina Solo?  

read NJO, trust me


CHISS TO CRAW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!                    

[shivadee]

Agreed Rommel. However the one part where Ani goes ballistic and starts cutting up the sandpeople was wicked. It shows his true budding anger and path to the darkside. The best part i liked with his emotion was after that and when Padme was talking to him. He told her what he did, who he killed and when he said "I HATE THEM" you could really see fire in d man eyes. I fine dat part was very boss.

Yes that Jango Fett thing was really badly done. That short battle was a pivotal role for the creation of one of the most powerful non force alligned characters in the SW Universie. I feel they should have spent more time than that and less on a "dread kick up scene". Many people notice that Samuel L Jackson was actually the first Jedi we SEE int the MOVIES that wields a different color blade than blue, red and green. In the books we hear about them all thetime and Lucas said he kept them that color because of the RGB colors for telivision at the time. He said he was going to stay with that, but i guess he changed his mind.

Anyone read the Bounty Hunter Wars and Tales of the BOunty Hunters? Some real good info there on Boba Fett. The "Tales" novel is very cool too, it has alot of what was happening during Empire Strikes Back, very cool stuff abotu what happened during the battle of Hoth and stuff, pluss the Shadows of the Empire book is boss, as well as the game. I feel Guri still alive.

Does anyone think he will make another Trilogy Movie after the NJO series? Using Luke, and Leia and Han so long after. I mean in reality they deffinitely OLD enough to play the role, but if he does do this it would really be a fan movie, how many people going to read the whole NJO series and such to understand what happened until then? But oh well, the man start in the middle of the EMPIRE war (A NEW HOPE), so this should be the same.                    

[Reaper2051]

THE DARK LORD WILL GRACE US WITH HIS PRESENCE IN EPISODE 3 HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!                    

[Exar_Kun]

There is no strategic for Thrawn anywhere in the SWU.The outsmarts them all at every turn.The closest match there ever was for Thrawn was Bel Iblis but even he can't overcome him.

About the Tales book though,all books written under Tales are not considered to be officially part of the SWU as they are all written under the Infinities licence.                    

[shivadee]

Tales from the New Republic
Tales from Jabba's Palace
Tales from Mos Eisley Cantina
Tales of the Bounty Hunters

(picked up the last 3 as a box set) I was blessed with the chance to attend an official SW convention in Nova Scotia when i was at Acadia where i got the books. All the books they sell there are Lucas certified. The last 3 take place during the old trilogy at different times. The first takes place after ROTJ.

Yes they had Lucas autographed books as well. I didnt buy any of them given the fact that i went chronic in there and just bought as much as i could including Obi Wans, Qui Gons and Darth Mauls light sabre toys that flick out and make noise and make one look like a little child.

The events take place all through and in between the trilogy so there is no really set timeline for them.
For example, in Tales from Jabba's palace one story tells us about the Tweilik dancer who met her demise and when Luke tried to rescue her, and another talks about the story of what happened to Boba Fett after the Sarlac incident. One event is before RoTJ begins, one is during or possibly after.

The only book i have that is not Lucas authorised is Splinter Of the Minds Eye. It takes place after A New Hope and was written before Empire Striles Back was released. It was written by ALan Dean Foster, the same author if the movie ALIENS. Brilliant alternate to the possible story for Luke and Leia given that we only knew so much about them. Although it could not happen, it was a very good story.

If you're interested i could lend you it. Its worth a read.                    

[Exar_Kun]

The way the continuity runs,in order of precedence is this:

Movies
Movie novelization
Movie radio drama
Official EU
Infinities

The Tales books were released as being official EU but were later changed to infinities.Yes I am 100% certain of this.There's a whole bunch of junk that happens in the Tales books and they have all been relegated to infinities.Therefore nothing in those books are part of the official SWU.As Tenel Ka would say:Fact.

Splinter however,is official.Despite the fact that it is absolute garbage it is still official despite many people believing it should be put in infinities.But it IS official despite the discontinuities in it.                    

[Rommel]

let's see grand admiral thrawn vs wedge antilles? no competition,  

remember we never saw Wedge as a flag officer against Thrawn
only as a squadron commander
I think that he is badder than Bel Ibis and Ackbar as a general
plus he is one of the best pilots there ever will be

but yeah Thrawn would probably win

NJO ended with 2 books, The Final Prophecy and The Unifying Force.  
Corran fans would like final prophecy, i have yet to locate unifying force.

who wrote them?                    

[shivadee]

The Tales books were released as being official EU but were later changed to infinities.Yes I am 100% certain of this.There's a whole bunch of junk that happens in the Tales books and they have all been relegated to infinities.Therefore nothing in those books are part of the official SWU.As Tenel Ka would say:Fact.  

Splinter however,is official.Despite the fact that it is absolute garbage it is still official despite many people believing it should be put in infinities.But it IS official despite the discontinuities in it.

 


About Thrawn. Yes i believe you could whoop just about anyones @ss. In the heir to the Empire series the man didnt even have a full armada and still managed to almost take over the Republic, almost. It isnt just what you have, its how you use it, and man that fella could use what he had. We also learn that he wasnt at the battle of Endor because the Emperor hated non-humans and put Piet there instead. If he was there no doubt the Republic would have lost. And that would have been a full on battle to show the mettle of both Akbar and Thrawn, i think Akbar would have lost.


I think i need to bring myself up-to-date on the NJO series. Ive been busy reading the others and havent got around to this series, which sounds better all the time                    

[shivadee]

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/034...0289517-9329628                    

[Exar_Kun]

I read The Unifying Force a few months ago.
Good book.Not as great as The Final Prophecy or Star by Star and it starts off badly,but excellent book.

Nas Choka >>>Shedao Shai>>>Tsavong Lah