The Dark Knight Rises

[Archer]

I think thas good size for him, unless you mean he hada stop alternating with his weight so much then yea.

His performance was really good too.

[Berzerk]

yup at alternating, that crap REAL dangerous.


Here is an interesting article for those that saw it SPOILER

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http://screenrant.com/dark-knight-rises-vs-the-dark-knight-comparison/?utm_source=zergnet.com&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=zergnet_27180

u guys feel the theme of Dark Knight Contradicts Rises?

[Archer]

Not at all .

[jason19842]

Just came back from Imax and all I have to say is......WOOOOOOOWWWWWWWWWOMGWOW!

Enjoyed every fracking minute of it. Can't dissect it and talk about each part because I would get too excited and stop, yes it was that good.

The most comicbooky of all the Nolan Batman films and that ending....THE ENDING.....phew. The comicbook nerd in me flew all the way up to the roof.

Well done Christopher Nolan, you crafty bastard

I can't wait to see what he does with Superman

[Archer]

^^ Tbh his role is minimal there.

It goes something like this- David Goyer told Nolan about his concept for a different take on the character which Nolan like so he pitched it to the studio. Then helped them select a director after which he left to work on TDKR. Everything thereafter is all Snyder and Goyer but rest assured if Nolan liked it so much to get a Superman movie off the ground it ain't crap

Back on topic though.....that first encounter still resonates in my head and it's been two days. Second viewing soon.

ALSO I thought this was brilliant of Nolan.

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After TDK's release questions of Robin being in the sequel popped up with Nolan saying he don't think that would fit in with his version and Bale saying he'd chain himself to a bed and refuse to work if that happened

However John Blake or should I say ROBIN John Blake played by Levitt seems to be an amalgamation of all 3 Robins (Dick, Jason and Tim). So in a way we did get Robin just not straight up, it was Nolan's interpretation and ending up being the one to carry on after Bruce.

Kinda sad tho because Levitt was brilliant casting for that shame we will never see him as Nightwing/Batman.

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[Archer]

Was gonna take this in again tmr but something came up so I'll have to settle for next weekend.

[TriniXaeno]

agree with zerk, a firm 8 trapped helpless police officers out of 10

Good movie, but felt it could have been greater.

Bane was brutal but did not eclipse Joker imo

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Batman, for being the worlds greatest detective...didn't come across as "clever" in this outing when facing bane. More like a ufc brawler....and not a particularly skillful one either.

They needed the guys from "The Raid" to choreograph the fight scenes or something.

I've seen fights after midnight down at independence square in port of spain that had more flair.

Two epic warriors, trained by the league of shadows.....and all they can do is slug at each other like two rock em sock em robots?

WTB, Epic Fight Choreographer.

[Archer]

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Actually out of the 3 this had the best fights. Plus you must remember the man was out of commission for 8 yrs and only jumped back in after Selina starting stirring up things so he wasn't at his best. Bruce thought since Ra's trained the two of them and he beat Ra's this would be cake in all his guard was let down due to his "cockyness" despite Alfred's warnings.

Also Bane is a a bigger and uses hard strikes that wore Bruce down quicker. From the time he landed those first set of punches into Bruce and eventually knocked him over to the lower level you could feel the impact  and knew that it was over for him. The tight spaces didn't help Bruce either.

The last point, Nolan's Batman is not the all agile acrobatic one we know as he is covered from head to toe in kevlar.

And if Im not mistaken the rematch seemed better as Bat's know he had to move faster to dodge and get in close to disable Bane's mask. Actually like how he used his gauntlets to slice them *shing *shing lol.

But for the record the fights looked fine to me, could see the calculated moves. Want more agility based fights hope "The Batman" in 2016 decides to use those.

[TriniXaeno]

Watch The Raid, then watch Batman, then watch The Raid, then back to batman, now watch The Raid again!

lol

That is epic choreography. Batman vs Bane was a slugfest.

But I hear you on his arrogance. It's like batman wanted to slug it out.

As opposed to using his wits and tools. Silly, when you consider the fate of the city is hanging in the balance.

Good thing Cat Woman had no such hang ups.

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Else the bat (and gotham) would be dead.

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[Archer]

The Raid was the furthest thing from my mind while watching this.

That kinda choreography would not work for the same reasons I stated.  It just won't man.

[TriniXaeno]

Not the same. I mean epic choreography.

The Raid = Epic Fight Choreography

Batman = Non Epic Fight Choreography

If they could have gotten the Batman fights up to an epic level, the movie would have gone from an 8 to a 10 imo.

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A "braveheartesque" clash between a thousand police officers and a thousand thugs with batman and bane squaring off to slug it out fistycuffs style in the middle isn't my idea of epic fighting at all

Grenades weren't invented in that timeline or what? splash ftl

[Archer]

Yes the Raid had great fight choreography but at the same time choreography is built around the fighting style used and pencak silat is wild enough so that they could do those things.

Selina was there as a wildcard, i.e. you don't know what she would do next, not afraid to get nasty etc.

Bane didn't trump the Joker but it was menacing to watch and proved a more than worthy foe for Batman.

Grenades would be a little too messy for Bane. While he is brutal he also needs things to be controlled and co-ordinated.

While those complaints you have are reasonable they would be  more valid if this were just simply an action movie which it isn't. It's understandable those are things you wanted but at the end of the day this is what it really is man. Complaints about the action scenes have been few and far between.

[TriniXaeno]

Not like I'm saying the movie was rubbish, its a solid 8 out of 10

Just some extra effort into the fight scenes could have taken it over the top to flush 10 out of 10

I'll give you another example. That superman movie recently, Superman vs the Elite. epic fights!



And that's a cartoon.

Even the fights in the Batman games I've played on xbox were better to be honest.



They didn't drop the ball, the fights were decent....but they weren't a high point for the movie. To make it go over the top.

Like a rock lee vs gaara kind of square off.

Clash of the ages.

[Archer]

Not saying your opinion of the movie was it being rubbish I just think the emphasis on the fights being better was a lil too much. I mean Nolan films aren't exactly known for their extravagantly choreographed fights or action scenes but he outdid himself here.

Comparing a cartoon fight to a real world fight isn't that fair if you ask me since.....toons  can throw caution to the wind and I mean......that is Superman, if his fights were tepid then something would be wrong.

See? Idk but I think we beat this into the ground hoss lol.  In the end everybody has different views and I respect yours. For me I couldn't stop replaying those fights in my head days after I saw it.

That being said, hold out for Man Of Steel.  Snyder might have what you're looking for with his Zod vs Superman scene.

[TriniXaeno]

Oh don't you dare play the "but that's a cartoon card"! lol

Look at what they did in Avengers. Epic beyond epic. Now THAT was a 10 out of 10 film.

I'll look out for that superman vs zod battle on the big screen, hopefully that will hit the spot for a combat sequence. (pun intended)

[Archer]

Comparing The Avengers to Batman is like apples and oranges, so different but the same in a way that they are all heroes but The Avengers consisted of super powered beings. Even Stark in his suit to an extent because it shot lasers, rockets, flight i.e did almost everything.  Bats is still just a guy in an armored suit but I do want a more comicbook fight with my Batman but it just couldn't work in context to Nolan's version of Batman.

While some may be sad that this is his last, I actually cannot wait for the new franchise to start. That will surely be a more comicbook fare and then some to separate itself from Nolan. Boi I drained now lol, I leaving it as it is now lol.

[TriniXaeno]

One thing I definitely won't miss is Bale's horrible rendition of Batman's voice.

Totally agree with Kevin Conroy's diss. As the voice of batman from the animated series, he knows a thing or two about how batman should sound.

[Archer]

I had no problem with it

As much as I like Conroy since I like many grew up on that series I am kinda tired of it.  I mean some ppl like Keaton, some like Kilmer (yes there are ppl) and some like Bale. Nolan's Batman was more about Bruce expelling his own anger  so he sounds pissed of half the time and I like that.

[Berzerk]

I had no problem with it

As much as I like Conroy since I like many grew up on that series I am kinda tired of it.  I mean some ppl like Keaton, some like Kilmer (yes there are ppl) and some like Bale. Nolan's Batman was more about Bruce expelling his own anger  so he sounds pissed of half the time and I like that.

I doubt anyone liked george clooney's rendition though. that was AWFUL.

Have to agree with Archer here, none of the previous movies had any epic 'Raid style' choreography, so I didn't go in expecting that. It might have taken away from the Nolan's brand of filming imo. His focus was always on the narrative, ambiance and characters.