Windows Phone 7

[Spazosaurus]

Well, I wont put my neck on a block and swear that all their stories are accurate but they are often either right on the money or close to it.

In this case, however, there is no doubt that something hinkey is going on with that OS. As it is now, prospective buyers ought to instead take that same teaspoon of salt and ponder whether they would be better off swallowing it one go rather than fight up with that mess with the HOPE that it would be fixed.

I think i'd choose the salt.

[Preston786]

^^ Hence the reason i never buy brand new tech always bugs to be worked out .....

I'll give it a 6 months - year then jump in .......

I see there's a WP7 rom on xda but i leaving it there for the moment.....

[phoenix31tt]

^^ Hence the reason i never buy brand new tech always bugs to be worked out .....

I'll give it a 6 months - year then jump in .......

yea me too... i already said i aint gettin a wp7 fone when it now drop... will wait till the kinks (which it will have) are sorted out

but still capt... your last article did say that microsoft is already working on a fix... unlike the inquirer that lead us to believe that there was no hope and this was intentionally done...

seems like just another kink to me.. which is expected

[Spazosaurus]

We wait and see.

[MessiaaH]

me and dem fellers on xda done tackling the memcard issue.
how win7 works, it dont have swapable storage, but expandable storage.
Meaning, when u insert a microsd card, windows extends the storage onto d card, think JBOD.
And as such, when disk expanded all apps etc spans across d microsd. So idiots who gone buy shit cards and put it in dey device will obviously expereince issues.

There is a list of working/nonworking cards on xda site for d phones.
Sandisk class2 and above cards works fine, dont see why ppl go buy anything lower dan dat to begin with. I getin d 32gb Class 2.

And windows does format the card proprietary for win7 and thus d card useless in any other device. That being said, when i put my microsd in my HTC HD2, i never remove it since, and never going to. So dats not really ah problem for me.

They tested d Dell with MicroSD expanded vs ah HTC with nand, and d dell actauly work faster in some bits. once u get ah good card, u safe.

[Spazosaurus]

The way I see it, the actual card removal is not a big deal as I, too hardly ever remove a card. The big issue is not being able to plug in via usb and easily transfer files. Not being able to plug your WINDOWS phone into your WINDOWS pc to transfer data to and fro is idiotic at best.

imo, they should have never released this with that 'issue'. That is reall poor conduct.

And as far as I understand u cant set custom ringtones? Even if there is a workaround, why should you have to hack the damn thing to do such a basic thing as put a custom ringtone?

[MessiaaH]

d inability to transfer files was not a flaw, that was by design.
And you can transfer stuff via zune. dey limited access to d file system, to prevent the things that cause winmo 6.5 to flop in iphone presence.

Which means, strickter program control, lockdown d filesystem. etc etc.
They purposely do them things.

but again, you can transfer, pictures, music, movies via zune to your device.
For office docs etc, they pusshing cloud support. so those things should be sycning via the cloud on your pc/phone. Which is how i prefer it anyway. I hate pluggin my device into my pc to sync shit. I want everything over d air. And zune has wireless sync too. so i wont really be plugin my phone in pc for anything.

All that being said, the custom ringtone is shit in true. but i coudl live wihtout that for d while. Obviosuly it will be addressed. but ah ringtone is not ah dealbreaker for me.
Given d many many strenghts of the platform.

Juss to sync my onenote notebooks via skydrive is all worth it for me lol. cuase dies what i does use right now between pc/netbook/laptop.

[Spazosaurus]

Oh gosh, i know they pushing their technologies etc etc, but they are no better than Apple trying to force these standards down ppl throat. Im not saying dont include the abilities as enhancements, but dont TAKE AWAY the simplicity in doing traditionally simple tasks.

This why I can see myself always supporting an open source project like Android where you can dig deep down into the system and change anything if u wanted to while still keeping the basics they way they are supposed to be....simple and non convoluted.

Is that too much to ask?

[MessiaaH]

thats how windows mobile was, but it lost them marketshare.
For men like u and me, we want d power to do whatever we want with d OS.
unfortuantely, casual users make up d bulk of buyers, its why apple start pwoning microsoft in d phone market. Cant blame MS for doing what dey doing. is d only way really, to get back all d causual users dat on iphone.

But, at least dey din jus strip all d feature from powerusers and present some shit.
D platform offers alot that neither android or iphone currently offers.

Is weather d gains outweigh d looses. and in my book, dey are.
Android for me is just an alternative to windows mobile, nothing new, nothing added. jus ah cousin. Win7 givin some new stuff dat cant get anywhere else at the moment.

So far i think d gains outweigh d looses. And MS seem to be listening to customers requests.
So i onboard.

And MS walking ah tite rope, for what u want out of ah phone, all d things winmo suffered from, android suffering from it too. which is users having too much freedom on d phoens and doing shit.

[MessiaaH]

http://pocketnow.com/windows-phone/sandisk-8gb-class-2-microsd-card-first-wp7-certified

Certified cards done on d rise, but nothing special, like i said before, sandisk class 2 and above u safe, dis is juss marketing for non-techies to not buy shit.

Samsung Focus Goodness:

Hardware:


Software:

[Spazosaurus]

Casual users unfortunately form the masses. Thank god there's platforms like Android where you can take a hackable, flexible os, put a skin on it like Sense and peddle it to the casual users, you know, something their simple minds can relate to  whilst maintaining enough meat on the bone to keep power users happy. This is why Android is fast approaching Apple interms of market share.

Conversely, Apple (and WP7 to a lesser extent) catering to noobs only while leaving power users out in the cold. This is why, imo, WP, IOS and the rest will eventually loose to Android. It has already begun, just a matter of when.

[MessiaaH]

like i told everybody, dont count microsoft out yet.
They have d fastest most fluid interface, d best integration with services,
and ah shitload of money to back dey platform.

Round 1, FIGHT!

[Spazosaurus]

Man say Android is just an alternative to windows with nothing new yes. Respectfully, I have to utterly and completely disagree on that view. If winmo has something u think Andoid does not yet have, you have not looked hard enough and if it still doesnt exist, someone, somewhere is working on a beta.

I'd actually go out on a limb to say that Android can do stuff that winmo wont even dream of seeing. But as u said, wp7 is young yet, I cant wait to be silenced.

[MessiaaH]

when i say android is ah cousin, im not talking about, windows phone 7

Im talking about Windows Mobile 6.5
Android is d same as dat, made for power users, dat could put lamer interface on d surface.
Android did a better job of d lammer interface, but winmo 6.5 have htc sense, and spb mobile shell juss like android.

Both platforms are basicaly d same. Which is why android suffering from some of d flaws of windows mobile 6.5. So or me, it pointless going form HTC HD2, tuh ah android device, cause d android not doing anything, i cant do myself, on windows mobile 6.5.

Dat being said, 6.5 is d past. Win7 is d future.
Win7 strenghts right now, is intergration with services, cloud, etc etc.
Dies where ms spending d money, and dies what i appreicate from d new platform.
And thuss far d interface givin me everything i want without need to tweak/mod/hack device. And things dat missing, getin put in updates.

but like u said, win7 is young, so far im impressed.
U comparing ah verion 1 OS against other OSes dat on d market rel long.
But d version 1 giving me what i want thuss far. D gains outweigh d losses.

Top Benifits of win7 to me:

Solid exchange support
Integrated skydrive support for office docs / onenote notebooks etc
Integrated Sharepoint support
Facebook services integrated tightly into OS and not juss an App
Zune (i rocking level zune on my pc, love it)
Fluid fast fresh interface.
Built on silverlight / c# (my programing language so any app win7 dont have an i want, i juss writing it myself)

[Spazosaurus]

Nice. To each his own. The only thing on that list I havent checked on is sharepoint support which is pretty good in enterprise environments. Im pretty sure there's something for Android users.

Everything else, plus a million other possibilities, in some way or another is possible on Android. If MS cant loosen up and provide similar abilities, they are going to be doomed to appeal onlt to the niche market who is happy only with what they get out of the box.

Remember, these are SMART phones. Nobody is spending $600+ on a phone because they want to make calls and visit facebook. Men could do that on a LG cookie for free with Digicel. SMART phone users are expecting to do amazing shit with their phones. I really hope MS has a solid plan for giving customers that WOW factor without having to be a programmer themselves.

Can you also elaborate on some of the flaws that Android and WM6.5 share? Thanks;

[MessiaaH]

Yes i agree with u and SMART phones, afterall, i hate iphone and love winmo 6.5 becuase of some of dem same points u making. And d fact that microsoft taking ah iphone route kinda vex me too, but i understand why dey doing it, to make money, plain and simple lol.

And d integrated services, interface, and silverlight programing layer, sell me as ah power user. Right now i writing ah finance app for winmo7, and development going so buttery smooth and nice. So me as ah poweruser actauly more pleased with this platform.
Since everything built on silverlight, making shit look fancy and flashy is ah breeze. And d backend is c#, so all d power in d world.

Also, using visual studio u can have an agreegrated development environment for all platofrms, ie winpho7, web browsers, and desktop. Same code working on all 3.
So to make ah desktop/web based counterpath for my app is ah breeze.

Dey sell me big with that silverlight/c# support. rel big.
We hands tied with d lack of multitasking at the moment, and d live tiles is ah bit of ah pain to code right now. but MS working on solutions, dey already releasing ah patch first week in jan, for limited multitasking, allowing apps to run behind d lock screen. Dey listening and adapting, dies what go make or break dis platform, and so far, dey doing good.
Not like iphone where steve jobs say, take it or leave it, ms actualy listening to ppl.

[Spazosaurus]

You sound pleased, and believe it or not, that pleases me lol.

If they listening, that is a great sign.

But answer me one question, do you believe the level of customization and sheer variety of stuff that can be done on Android can ever be matched by WP7?

[Arcmanov]

...and all the items that Messiaah listed mean absolutely nothing to me, which is why I myself am leaning towards Android if I'm to get a new smartphone.

I will admit this now...I am NOT a fan of the WP7 interface.  In my opinion its rather ugly, in a kindergarten sort of way...and THAT, sorry to say, is dealbreaker number 1.

Dealbreaker number 2 is the now-apparent closed nature of this OS...just like iOS.  Not cool.  I use removable media ALL THE TIME in my N900, and I ALSO don't need a fancy interface to transfer files.  I just connect via USB, drag/drop, or copy/paste, IN Windows, and thats it.


I want to use the device on my terms...not be herded like sheep into the same experience like everyone else.  This is why I got rid of the Blackberry.

[MessiaaH]

i Dont think the platform will be able to match the customization of winmo 6.5 or android.
It was specificaly designed not to be customizeable.
Variety on the other hand, i think in time, winmo will surpass all d others.
Becuase of d ease of d sivlerlight/c# platform. Making apps for win7 is alot alot easier, than d alternatives = less money for dev companies to spend. And MS pushing money behind it too.

And to responde to arcman, d UI is ah either love it or hate it, guess u in d hate it camp lol.
But i love it.
and as far as transfering files go. i havent changed music on my phone for ah while, juss becuase i honestly fedup of plugin d device into pc, brwosing for music, brwosing for location on d phone, den draggin dropping. Dat process alone deter me from constantly updating music on my device.

But with zune, u can setup wireless sync.
Weather my phone around or not, i can jus drag and drop music from ....actually. let me find ah vid, ...



Drag and drop from within d player itself, and i done, quick, fast simple.
When i baning out on my zuneplayer, if i want d album on phone, jus drag it in zune one time, and forget about d rest. And d same account u sign in zune, sign in d phone, and all ur ratings etc, sync as well.

[Wyspa]

I haev to agree with Messiaah on this one.. I thin MS came good with Windows Phone 7... I'm really impressed by the software thus far from what i've been seeing, reading and hearing ever since i first heard of it.  And I'm really feeling that Samsung Focus. I really like Samsung phones. And the Focus doesn't disappoint. Will be keeping an eye on this mobile OS... As soon as a phone comes within my price range, i wouldn't mind giving Microsoft another shot.