'I wed Iranian girls before execution' - not in a good way people.

[woodyear99]

Ok seriously wtf is this. I dunno what to say nah.......   :s


http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1246443842931&pagename=JPost/JPArticle/ShowFull&ref=hotair


Excerpt.....

"In the Islamic Republic it is illegal to execute a young woman, regardless of her crime, if she is a virgin, he explained. Therefore a "wedding" ceremony is conducted the night before the execution: The young girl is forced to have sexual intercourse with a prison guard - essentially raped by her "husband." "

[Archer]

But wtf dred, that is some sick sh!t right there  Ughhh!!!

[Saxito Pau]

"He said that while a man is deemed "responsible for his own actions at 13, for a woman it is 9,""

Madness!!

[Synchronomyst]

LOL THOSE CRAZY MIDDLE-EASTERN MUSLIMS AND THEIR CULTURALLY PATHOLOGICAL SHENANIGANS! WHAT WILLLLLLLL~ THEY THINK OF NEXT! n_n

[W1nTry]

I wouldn't just say middle east muslims.. isn't that kind of BROAD? would you consider this extremist behaviour? or is this the NORM across the ENTIRE middle east?

[Synchronomyst]

The power structure of the middle east is generally governed by conservatives and extremists. If you were to take Saudia Arabia as the geographical epicentre (excluding Oman) you'd have a somewhat (but less than) picture of how human rights (and women's rights in particular) work in these countries. I'd label about 3/4 of the middle-east as rife with this sought of extremist mindset with the all but metropolitan (thought not excluding) areas of Iran, Saudi Arabia, Sudan, Iraq, Yemen, Palestine and Egypt being the greatest offenders.

[New Era Outlaw]

Ugh.
May be their way of life up there or whatever, but that doesn't mean that I don't like it any less.

[W1nTry]

Do you have more concrete proof sync? I'd really appreciate links to this info

[New Era Outlaw]

You could basically see examples of what Sync is talking about every time you pick up a newspaper.

Things aren't exactly easy for women in those countries, either way.
Back when I was a travel agent, I learned that there were a lot of things that you had to know if you were a woman travelling to Dubai or Saudi Arabia. Let's just say said woman had better invest in a wedding ring for display, even if she's not married for real.

[W1nTry]

That's not good enough, if the US were to publish everyday every single murder, rape or other violent act against women I am sure it would exceed that of the singled out articles about extrimist islamic law. I want more than that, hit me link and articles, reports, documented cases, I want solid proof. All over the world women and other unfortunate souls are tortured and killed, I am somewhat tired of the singling out of islamic examples, the chinese are NOTORIOUS for torture and mistreatment of women, we don't hear much about them (the government controlling the media does have somethign to do with that) but I think yall get my point.

[Nephilim]

That's not good enough, if the US were to publish everyday every single murder, rape or other violent act against women I am sure it would exceed that of the singled out articles about extrimist islamic law.

if it were possible to report on all the incidents of the US, then yes, i would bet my least favorite nut, it would exceed it.

but it is a bit imba, if you considering all the incidents of one set, you'll have to consider the same for the other.

i.e. all in the US, and all in the Islamic run states too (not just the reported ones)

i agree that cracker media tends to target islamic's though.

[Crixx_Creww]

indeed the cracker media does do that

but any state in the world where there are laws and ideologies that create "second class" citizens
and in particular encourage such mistreatment of our women, should be brought to light.

THere is no doubt that atrocities are commited to women in america or anywhere else
but atleast in the eyes of the law, women are "equal" and such madness as what is carried out in the islamic states, cant legally be done in other places.

[W1nTry]

Still, brings me back to the point. I would really appreciate more solid evidence so that I may better be able to appreciate the scale of this mistreatment. Also to say islam is still WAY TO BROAD. There are so many sects of Islam and there are different ppls that follow it in very pacifist ways, isn't the leader or egypt or one of those islamic states a BESS looking muslim? anyways, links, pdfs, printed media, all these would be appreciated in uncovering the extent of this abuse and not just gerenalized cases.

[Synchronomyst]

Do you have more concrete proof sync? I'd really appreciate links to this info

What would you regard as a source of concrete proof? I've gotten the impression that news articles aren't applicable and since we are on the internet I'd assume that if you were interested you would've searched and your still find the sources to be suspect. If you're saying what going on the the discussion is good enough, I'm going to also assume you have information that points to the contrary and in all fairness we should see that as well. Forgive me if I'm being presumptuous.

Either way...I'll try to make contributions.

http://www.al-bab.com/arab/human.htm (Articlate introduction to the human rights issues at large)
http://www.idrc.ca/en/ev-98746-201-1-DO_TOPIC.html (Comprehensive document on women's rights in the arab world.)

http://uk.oneworld.net/article/view/163333/1/

* Safeguard the rights of women by changing laws and attitudes which entrench gender-based discrimination. The report notes that women in Arab countries have little access to justice and few possibilities of legal redress when they are victims of violence. In conflict areas, women’s insecurity increases sharply.

“Though violence against women can be found in every country, women in societies with entrenched male dominance, patriarchal kinship patterns, and legalized discrimination – the situation in many Arab countries – are acutely vulnerable,” said Munira Fakhro, former Associate Professor at the University of Bahrain and an Advisory Board member for the Arab Human Development Report 2009. “Much of the violence against Arab women is inflicted unseen in the home, on wives and sisters, daughters and mothers.”

http://www.almotamar.net/en/206.htm
http://www.middle-east-online.com/english/?id=5318
http://www.bbc.co.uk/ethics/honourcrimes/crimesofhonour_2.shtml

(1) That's not good enough, if the US were to publish everyday every single murder, rape or other violent act against women I am sure it would exceed that of the singled out articles about extrimist islamic law. I want more than that, hit me link and articles, reports, documented cases, I want solid proof. All over the world women and other unfortunate souls are tortured and killed, (2) I am somewhat tired of the singling out of islamic examples, the chinese are NOTORIOUS for torture and mistreatment of women, we don't hear much about them (the government controlling the media does have somethign to do with that) but I think yall get my point.

(1) It may exceed it. But that assertion is intrinsically flawed. Why? Because it does not take into consideration the vastly different cultural standards and practices between the societies which would create these circumstances (eg. rape as we are familiar with it would be uncommon in conservative Islamic societies because women do not share the same social liberties that their 'western' counterparts do, are married earlier than their western counterparts, have less opportunity to complain or even resist marital rape because they can legally be flogged by their husbands and legally have no identity to facilitate recourse for transgressions against them, etc). A religion cannot be separated entirely from the cultural interpretations of it and these occurrences -must- be taken in their culturally relevant contexts to be any bit honest.

It would also fail to note that in the western the examples listed already do outnumber these singled out articles. How would they not? Even if just based just strictly on how Arab society and in turn Arab media is built- how would they not? Are you trying to imply that the objectively verifiable occurrences of these violent acts against women are proportionally higher in the western world than in the middle-east? Aside from the fact that it would be difficult to get reliable statistics on that matter from conservative middle-eastern countries (because they, like China, control the media eg. iran election protests and the imprisonment/murder of those who were twittering any dissenting information out), and aside from what I mentioned earlier... crixx -really- addresses that point. The issue is not simply the occurrence of violent acts against women; it is the institutionalization of such. It is the lack of just consequence. You are unintentionally straw manning your own concerns.

(2) Can you show article where the Chinese have institutionalized legislation which discriminates against and relegates women as a societal entity to second class citizen strictly based on their gender which is comparable to what is found in Sharia law? Either way...I am no friend of China. You will most certainly find human rights violations in China as they've written the book on how to commit human rights violations in the modern world as a cultural standard but this varies heavily from social strata and as a result the nature and impetus behind the acts are far more disparate than that of conservative Islam's Sharia law. The reproductive rights of chinese women may be strained but I maintain that it is as a whole nothing like what if found in conservative Islam. Aside from this, to be quite crass about it China is no longer (or... not currently) an enemy of the western world so there's little sensationalist media value in reporting the human rights violations in China. This is not my personal opinion but rather how I perceive media in general to go about their business.

[Synchronomyst]

Sorry for the double post...

...but I'm just glad we can all agree that American news media is f**ked.

[W1nTry]

In actuality I am/have not been googling away to search the recesses of the world wibbly web for clues and fact. I am simply of the opinion that the western media by and large paints a very skewed picture of the actual daily goings of islamic countries. What I was hoping for was to someone with the knowledge at the ready to show as YES I take the media witha pinch of salt. That being said I will find some time to look through the varios articles you have submitted.

As for china and its discriminatory and attrocious acts against women, I thought it was common knowledge but apparently not, thus I shall submit merely 1 article that I can google and otherwise I am certain I can introduce you to ppl that can attest to it First hand.
http://www.gendercide.org/case_infanticide.html

And this has nothing to do with religion.

[Synchronomyst]

W1nTry, I did not once deny that there are serious women's rights issues in china that the government is not addessing adequately. I even specified it to be an issue of reproductive rights and contextualized and noted -why- it is entirely different to the type that you see in conservative Islamic countries. Gendercide is -not- legislated or institutionalized in China. It is a de facto practice in overwhelmingly conservative rural areas of China that a combination of china's one child policy and that of a mindset that still holds to derivative Confucian concepts of gender.

Unlike the honor killing underneath sharia law which happen even happens in outside of Islamic countries.

I really don't think you understand what I'm trying to get at. I'm sorry if I made my point unclear.