Crysis 2

[Spazosaurus]

As a game dev, if you want guaranteed sales, you have to focus very heavily on your multiplayer component. Single player HAS GOT to be considered just the icing on the cake in these times. No one is saying don't deliver a hell of a campaign but you have to put 10x the amount of effort into ur MP because at the end of the day, MP has infinitely more value.

So when I hear pple like Cevat  or whatever his name is blaming piracy for bringing these console ports, I have to call major bull$hit. Focus on your damn MP, make it the BEST $hit out there and make pirates WANT...NEED to buy it because u cant bring ur pirate copy online to play. The pirates will now be so intrigued with all the epic things they have been hearing that they will go and wash cars for 2 weekends to buy it.

You can't half ass it and expect people NOT to buy it and use piracy as an excuse for poor sales. What the hell kind of thinking is that?? I for one am not inclined to support this developer with my money because of their backward approach. I'd MUCH rather skip this title and put my money behind a title whose developers actually took the extra effort to make their game lust worthy.

Awesome OUT

[shivanandrs]

Focus on your damn MP, make it the BEST $hit out there and make pirates WANT...NEED to buy it because u cant bring ur pirate copy online to play. The pirates will now be so intrigued with all the epic things they have been hearing that they will go and wash cars for 2 weekends to buy it.

Exactly!

[Arcmanov]

...but this is CRYSIS man.  Doh lemme see yuh in no 'non-Steam game' dey eh.

As an enthusiast, you are OBLIGATED to buy this.  

[Doomtack]

Awesome, what do you do for a living?

[Spazosaurus]

LAN admin. Why?

[TriniXaeno]

First things first....a game developer should not have to focus on epic multiplayer to deserve sales.

An awesome single player experience should be enough to warrant a purchase (Think the original Prince of Persia and even its remake, the Sands of Time)

Developers however have been completely spurned by PC gamers pirating their single players game unabashed.

As a result, the focus on multiplayer, specifically internet multiplayer came about as a means to circumvent the piracy problem.

Imagine, all these great multiplayer games...with no lan support. lol. If it was about offering the penultimate multiplayer experience and not about fighting piracy....then LAN support would be included.

[Spazosaurus]

First things first....a game developer should not have to focus on epic multiplayer to deserve sales.

An awesome single player experience should be enough to warrant a purchase (Think the original Prince of Persia and even its remake, the Sands of Time)

Developers however have been completely spurned by PC gamers pirating their single players game unabashed.

As a result, the focus on multiplayer, specifically internet multiplayer came about as a means to circumvent the piracy problem.

Imagine, all these great multiplayer games...with no lan support. lol. If it was about offering the penultimate multiplayer experience and not about fighting piracy....then LAN support would be included.

I totally disagree. I am saying that times have changed and good single player alone is not enough, ESPECIALLY when they calling $60us a pop...for maybe 4 to 6 hours of entertainment? Come on.

I am also saying that having a killer mp component (which is essentially unhackable) will encourage (force) people to buy the games to access the awesomeness that is the MP experience.

So more value for money on the consumer side, more profit because of higher quality on the dev/publisher side. What's not to like?

[W1nTry]

This argument will go on and on ppl we kNOW THIS. Let's not beat the horse anymore. Seeing the feedback from the PC side of things.. this isn't encouraging... seems like my Console shall yet again call me.. meh XBL peeps done getting themselves in order to purchase so we go have a 6 man squad out of the gate, we trying the demo later (as a team) and well for all intents and purposes looks like score 1 console... again...

I do have 1 questions though, I saw in a review that crysis 2 is the BEST looking game on a console bar none... anyone can substantiate this? Cause i'll give jack his jacket and Killzone 2 was the best looking FPS i've ever seen.... on a console XD Anyone can confirm crysis taking the throne?

[Berzerk]

crysis 2 aint looking so hawt up on ps3 thats for sure. so that would have to be on 360.

and yea Killzone 2 and by extension Killzone 3 are 2 of the best looking console shooters IMO.

[TriniXaeno]

awesome, not everyone has broadband access eh.

In fact, I'm willing to bet the majority of people in the world still don't have that. (who could find a gallop poll or somethin with the data?)

So multiplayer is not an option for them at all.

What are you really saying? MP or buss?

[TheApprentice]

crysis 2 aint looking so hawt up on ps3 thats for sure. so that would have to be on 360.

and yea Killzone 2 and by extension Killzone 3 are 2 of the best looking console shooters IMO.

Crysis 2 on PS3 made my head hurt >.>
Terribad port.
Best looking so far on PS3 is Uncharted 2 and Killzone 2/3.

[Eroo]

Best looking FPS on consoles..... WTF?? maybe on 360. I cant say having never seen it on 360 but on PS3 I'd say its on the same graphical level of Haze. Heck Resistance 1 a PS3 launch titles looks and plays better.

[Doomtack]

@ Awesome, of course the developers will quarrel about the people stealing their game, even if those persons may not have bought it even if it was uncrackable. Think about it, if you knew that the people living in the area of the company that you work for were stealing internet during the night (when u not using it at the company), on principle it would still be a headache to you. Knowing that at some point it could become bad for you if you let it slide without doing something about it.

I agree that making a better game with better multiplayer etc. would grab these people, but as the developers see it, they are too busy developing the game they were approved to develop. It takes alot more than saying, i'm gonna make a multiplayer experience so awesome (no pun intended) that every gamer is going to buy it.

I'm sorry, but I have to take the developer's side on this, they've worked hard on the product, and it shows (on PC and xbox at least )

[TriniXaeno]

Correct. Its not like they creating games using 2d sprites anymore.

Nowadays its costing just as much to make a decent PC game as it would a blockbuster movie. Right now we pay what? $60.00 for 90 minutes at movietowne?

I do agree, especially when it comes to FPS games....that a single player story often isn't enough to hold my attention...even for the meager 6 - 8 hours that they usually last.

Multiplayer has always been my thing.

That said...I can't assume the entire planet thinks the same. Some people will buy this game JUST for the single player.

From personal experience with the demo, the multiplayer was pretty decent.

Gets my vote.

Console port or not. (Like w1ntry and arc said....we knew this was coming...and we all know why, horse properly well beaten to death)

Hard O/C, I saw about six GATTers with the game on steam already....I just bought it, so make that 7. If you buy it before the 26th, you get the limited edition free apparently.

[Berzerk]

work hard yea on the 360 version...

we get a lazy arse port...

and this whole debate about single player vs multiplayer games.


Single player, games are not no 6 hour affair. dedicated single player games like the mass effects, dragon ages, original assassins creeds, fallouts, Arkham Asylums, Alan Wakes, offer 12-60 hours of gameplay and some offer multiple playthroughs.
and these are goty titles that sell phenomenally well, so try yuh best eh.

heck some developers are primarily focused on delivering single player games only. and they do exceptional jobs. and honestly the resources to be placed on slapping on a multi for the sake of having one just makes no sense imo. those resources are placed in the game and the results speak for themselves,.

[TriniXaeno]

lol @ lazy arse port.

berserk, lazy is the wrong word....PC gamers got an intentional and deserved "slight".

I totally agree with you on the single player perspective. To be fair, I think Awesome means particularly in respect to the FPS genre. In which case, the 6 - 8 hour campaign is pretty much status quo. Even Halo Reach could be completed in that time.

[Berzerk]

aite fair enough.

but check this. A partner who bought crysis 2 telling me to avoid buying it or to wait for bargain bin.

here is a list of the complaints he made so far.

no quicksave, they removed first person driving, no hand animations, no prone, no advanced graphics options, they game ask me to adjust my tv settings, static and less interacting with environments, my melee key literally stopped working, there are no secondary key options for the keyboard, also none of my sweet pc hardware peripherals is natively supported by this game.

thats just a few. and steam forums have people cussing level about the multiplayer issues.

also someone posted this little gem for those who wanted to change graphics options.

http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1807934

I mean to have to resort to this in the first place...steups.

I holding my hand back on this one, at the very least I not getting this full price at all.

[Spazosaurus]

So I copy my pardner assignment, eh bother to even change the name on the paper, submit it. Teacher give me 0. How I go give that teacher wrong?

Make a damn effort and if you still dont get good sales, at least you delivered a quality product. There is absolutely no way anyone can justify to me the half assed efforts devs these days pushing out and demanding top dollar for.

[Arcmanov]

I'm inclined to agree (in principle) with Cap.

After a few hours with the game (sp), I'm sorry to report that there
are major issues with multi-GPU setups with the game.  Fortunately,
theres a workaround, which requires the use of a 3rd-party app (for
AMD users).

Found the workaround here.
Not sure what Nvidia users need to do.


Believe me when I say that if you have a multi-GPU setup, do not buy this game until Crytek
fixes it with an official patch.

It is utterly preposterous that Crytek's QA testing could have missed such a major flaw with the game.
This game is one of the very reasons some enthusiasts like myself even bother to use a multi-GPU setup.

I am truly disappointed thus far.

The gameplay itself, while a lot more linear than previous Crysis games, is rock solid, and tightly focused.
Thank god for that workaround, so I can actually play the thing, but why should I have to resort to that
on DAY ONE!!?

Ridiculous.


Notwithstanding the issues though, I've still managed to get a respectable 50-60 fps with
all 'settings' on max, courtesy of that tool that Berzerk linked from the Steam forums.

[Spazosaurus]

lol @ maximum issues.