The Antec Skeleton

[phoenix31tt]

yeah "nifty" without cables run...
n airflow looks like it will be severely lacking...

[Arcmanov]

For what I'll be using it for, airflow won't be an issue.  As for the cable thing, it will certainly be more
orderly than my current testing 'station'.

I don't think Antec created this with the intention that users would employ a full-blown rig in it.
This chassis is for the tinkerer, or the kind of user that always has their case's side panels off.

[Crixx_Creww]

how will airflow be a problem in a big OPEN thingy with a massive fan on top of it???

[Spazosaurus]

That house fan on top should push enough breeze to more than replicate the effect of normal airflow in a conventional case. Curious how they're trying to run a tri sli system with a 500w psu. Then again, it may be just a dummy system.

[phoenix31tt]

how will airflow be a problem in a big OPEN thingy with a massive fan on top of it???

i'm guessing you dont know much about airflow...


why did they change the standard design of cpu HSF's to blow horizontally instead of down on the cpu?... because it was blowing all the hot air back down on the cpu...
now if the 240mm fan on the skeleton is an intake fan it will be doing the same thing (blowing hot air back down on the components)
if its an exhaust fan it would need additional help to create airflow, but i cant see where u would position a fan to give the required help..
convection is needed to create proper airflow... the fan on top blowing onto the motherboard shelf will not create convection..., dont be fooled... that case is not as open as u make it appear... if the fan was on the side... it would provide better airflow... cuz it coming from an OPEN end and going out an OPEN end... as it is... it comin from and OPEN end and hitting a wall is like facing a fan your wall and expecting the room to be cool etc




now in arcmans situation... this case is great for him (as i stated before) its an excellent test bed...
just doh want ppl to think its a great long term case

[Arcmanov]

Well, hot air does rise, and that fan is an exhaust fan, so all the hot air above the board should
be expelled quite nicely by it.  It does a great job in the 900 and 1200.  I don't see why it won't work
here.  I'm sure someone will review it properly in a bit (hopefully with emphasis on CPU/system temps).

[phoenix31tt]

It does a great job in the 900 and 1200.  I

try to remember that the 900 and 1200 have about 4 extra fans to deal with airflow

but its good that its an exhaust fan

[daniboy79]

Well, hot air does rise, and that fan is an exhaust fan, so all the hot air above the board should
be expelled quite nicely by it.  It does a great job in the 900 and 1200.  I don't see why it won't work
here.  I'm sure someone will review it properly in a bit (hopefully with emphasis on CPU/system temps).

interesting! so it draws the air upwards then? i was wondering about that, cuz in y 900 it blows up (out of the case).

[Netizen1]

wow @ motherboard in photo

looks like a P5N-T Deluxe

[Crixx_Creww]

how will airflow be a problem in a big OPEN thingy with a massive fan on top of it???

i'm guessing you dont know much about airflow...


why did they change the standard design of cpu HSF's to blow horizontally instead of down on the cpu?... because it was blowing all the hot air back down on the cpu...
now if the 240mm fan on the skeleton is an intake fan it will be doing the same thing (blowing hot air back down on the components)
if its an exhaust fan it would need additional help to create airflow, but i cant see where u would position a fan to give the required help..
convection is needed to create proper airflow... the fan on top blowing onto the motherboard shelf will not create convection..., dont be fooled... that case is not as open as u make it appear... if the fan was on the side... it would provide better airflow... cuz it coming from an OPEN end and going out an OPEN end... as it is... it comin from and OPEN end and hitting a wall is like facing a fan your wall and expecting the room to be cool etc




now in arcmans situation... this case is great for him (as i stated before) its an excellent test bed...
just doh want ppl to think its a great long term case

brodda man
you talking bout airflow in a closed environment where you have to over come the problems of eddies
in this scenario, there are no case walls to create eddies. This design is more than fine for airflow.

Infact, airflow is not even an accurate description of what would go on here.
Steups @ your attempt to be f***** condescending, yu think the idea of airflow originated with f******* computers??? steupssssssssssss this is a matter of physics and not your so called "knowledge" of compuutorss

[phoenix31tt]

Steups @ your attempt to be f***** condescending, yu think the idea of airflow originated with f******* computers??? steupssssssssssss this is a matter of physics and not your so called "knowledge" of compuutorss

for an admin i find u does real cuss with impunity... grow up
and yes i'm very well aware of physics... my favorite subject btw...

1. but u figure airflow bound to exist in an open environment huh... WRONG...
2. as i stated... the case is not as OPEN as you would think... with the motherboard shelf affecting it the most...

either way... with the fan being an exhaust it creates better airflow... now just to find a way to increase said flow...
or a review to determine if the extra 40mm will compensate for the lack of other fans

there are no case walls to create eddies. This design is more than fine for airflow.

... @ a man not seeing a big stink motherboard shelf as a wall... rofl

[Crixx_Creww]

well when you try to condescend to an admin thats what happens buddy, so deal with it.

Secondly, thats really cute that physics is your favourite "subject" what a total tool lol... "subject" still in primary school or something???


yu trying to say the mobo shelf is a hindrance to "airflow" lawl, once again, hilarity.

the purpose of the layout is for open easy access to your parts, the massive fan above said mobo is designed to cool THE MOBO!!! so how the helllll can the mobo be a hindrance to its own cooling??? artarrrrdddd

once again, you keep thinking this is a case of "airflow" and it TRULY IS NOT AN AIRFLOW ISSUE!!!!

in a closed environment, there are airflow issues because of eddys created by the case and the cables and the parts themselves.

This open environment removes said issue because you dont have to worry about paths of least resistance!
This is a hammer to swat a fly issue, its moreeee than sufficient for cooling, again, remove the thought of airflow from your "brain" pleaseee i beg you

[phoenix31tt]

1. lol @ condescending... thats why i said grow up... cuz if u think that was condescending then i sorry for u

2. yes a mobo can be a hindrance to its own cooling... as i stated before the reason for changing cpu cooling from blownig the heat back down on the processor to blowing it over and away from the processor

3. do a lil experiment when u go home... if u have one of those square lasco fans... put it right up against ur wall (blowing away from the wall) and keep moving it further and further away from the wall... each time u move it put ur hand between the wall and the fan, and tell me if u doh see an increase in air current as it goes further... now look @ the mobo shelf as the wall.. and u would realise where the airflow restrictions come about...
in a typical case its easier to create airflow as all the side panels actually HELP yes, help the airflow...

this case is removing the side panels and effectively creating on massive point of resisantce for air to flow...
but as i said before the extra 40mm MIGHT overcome the barrier... but we'll just have to see...

good thing they didnt put u to design wind tunnels... u woulda jus open everything up hehe

like i go hadda draw this out on paper for you oui...


btw there is no argument of the purpose of the case, jus dont try to make it something its not (i.e. a cooling monster)

[Arcmanov]

....but phoenix31tt, consider this also. 

The top fan exhausts air upwards, so that it will create an airflow pattern, as cooler air will rush into that area just above the motherboard, get heated,
and then exhausted.  This would have a significant effect on system temps.

The fan itself moves a lot of air, but the RPM is such that its not a gale force blower.
I believe its very adequate for what the designers intended.

[phoenix31tt]

....but phoenix31tt, consider this also. 

The top fan exhausts air upwards, so that it will create an airflow pattern, as cooler air will rush into that area just above the motherboard, get heated,
and then exhausted.  This would have a significant effect on system temps.

The fan itself moves a lot of air, but the RPM is such that its not a gale force blower.
I believe its very adequate for what the designers intended.

yes thats why i keep saying that i hope the extra 40mm would compensate for the design... but certain men doh read that nah :S

[Redlum08]

....but phoenix31tt, consider this also. 

The top fan exhausts air upwards, so that it will create an airflow pattern, as cooler air will rush into that area just above the motherboard, get heated,
and then exhausted.  This would have a significant effect on system temps.

The fan itself moves a lot of air, but the RPM is such that its not a gale force blower.
I believe its very adequate for what the designers intended.

Especially in an A/C environment....

[Crixx_Creww]

lol @ back pedalling phoenixnonleet yes


yu so stuck no the flikkin concept of "airflow" you ignoring the PURPOSE of this setup
to move massive amounts of air creating a cooling effect
which negates the need for working out "air flow"

[phoenix31tt]

lol

moving massive amounts of air IS creating airflow... rofl

i hadda go dictionary on u awhat:
simple version:
air (the thing we breathe, cant often see etc)
flow (moving from one point to another)
put them together.... moving air from one point to another
lol

and that is not the purpose of this setup... the purpose of the setup is to be used as a test bench... which we've all established...

[Crixx_Creww]

if it was simply a test bench silly billy
they wouldnt have the massive fan on top of it

and yu just totally proved yur noobtossity with that "explanation"

moving massive amounts of air is not the same as "airflow"
moving massive amounts of air, is just that, moving massive amounts of air


"airflow" =   The motion of air currents around an object as it moves through the air, especially the motion of air about a moving airplane.

not as simplistic as your "mind" seems to think it is

air flow is alllllllllll about air currents, efficient and non efficient path ways of air in and around objects.

so when setting up "airflow" as used in cooling, you are setting up a pathway for air currents to move as efficiently as possible, maximizing cooling in a situation where air currents would work.

NOT SO IN THE CASE OF THE WORK BENCH ARTARDDD

[Kraeoss]

why all the arguing.... the 'item' is not a case it's a skeleton. no sides this was not meant for making a rig but just testing so most likely a setup will be in there for not more than 24 hrs. also if your room has good airflow then temps will be ok as for ppl with ac'd rooms better yet.

although what pheonix is saying makes sense : air from all directions can be problematic vs directed airflow. true thermals rise but consider what happens after if your room's ambient temp goes up then that will nullify the concept of that fan on top and u'd be back to square 1....