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Re: Nvidia GT/X2xx series
« Reply #20 on: June 19, 2008, 12:46:36 PM »
steupsssss.....WHY are we still talking about these cards?
The price already puts it out of our reach (well except maybe a certain 'GTX ho' :lol:),
and the performance aint much greater than the current line-up.

I shall consult with the Oracle of GPU when all ATI's offerings are on the table.
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Re: Nvidia GT/X2xx series
« Reply #21 on: June 20, 2008, 03:40:23 PM »
Biggest disappointment of the year (for me anyways). I was saving up to buy a GTX 280 when it came out, but, fire fi dat yes? I'll arrange to get a Black Edition 9800 GX2 instead. Why Nvidia, WHY!!!!



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Re: Nvidia GT/X2xx series
« Reply #22 on: June 23, 2008, 07:42:44 AM »
Interesting development, but this means that the newer cards are competitive in 3DMark only.
If there aren't a slew of upcoming games that implement PhysX in their codebase, then this would be all for naught.
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Re: Nvidia GT/X2xx series
« Reply #23 on: July 02, 2008, 06:56:49 PM »
I might as well put this here instead of starting a new thread for it:

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Nvidia "opens can of whoop-ass" on itself

Millions of failing parts, income way down

By Charlie Demerjian: Wednesday, 02 July 2008, 11:22 PM

Click here to find out more!

NVIDIA IS TANKING, we told you so. It just put out two pieces of very bad news, It's taking a $150-200M charge in the quarter for what looks to be a product failure, and ATI is kicking its rear end.

If you look at the 8K form it just filed, there are two big pieces of bad news. The first is that some unnamed mobile and MCP products have big problems, hundreds of millions of dollars worth. It is said to be, "Arising from a weak die/packaging material set in certain versions of our previous generation MCP and GPU products used in notebook systems". That is bad, but to make matters funnier, "There can be no assurance that we will not discover defects in other MCP or GPU products."

To us, this says they used the same materials in other things, and it takes a while to show up, shown by the 'previous generation' bit. We'll bet money that this is the tip of the iceberg. Also, given how much mobos and mobile GPUs cost, this looks like a problem that is affecting a million or more units. Unrelated pricing of Dell notebooks today led us to see that, for most parts, NV mobile GPUs are either a $80 or $130 upgrade over integrated. $150-200M/$130 is still over a million, likely multiple millions of dead parts. Don't treat the future here lightly.

The bigger problem is what we have been saying for a long time, ATI is kicking Nvidia up and down the block. It sets quarterly guidance down to $875-950M vs $1.1 billion for the quarter. Guess why? Nvidia isn't't saying, but this, this, and this are good places to start, as is the partner exodus. More on that later, this is a start, but they are far from the only ones. Please note that this drop does not include the one time charge from the dead parts.

Nvidia is going to lose gobs and gobs of market share this year. They are effectively out of notebooks, will lose the high end in days, don't have anything close to a competitive line-up, have higher costs than ATI, and have to shell out money to keep partners alive. If you think this is bad, wait a little.

NV's roadmap is empty, ATI's is not.

100 basis points my ass.

http://www.theinquirer.net/gb/inquirer/news/2008/07/02/nvidia-opens-whoop-ass-itself

This is not good... not good at all... unless it's a strange conspiracy by Nvida&Intel to plumet the share price of Nvidia to make it easier to swallow by Intel. To put up a front Nvidia has been at Intel's throat... call me a conspiracist but if it comes to pass yuh know where yuh heard it first...

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Re: Nvidia GT/X2xx series
« Reply #24 on: July 02, 2008, 08:55:09 PM »
Well i guess ATi  have smiles wider than nile river on their faces right now. bad news for nvidia, good news for ATi i suppose.

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Re: Nvidia GT/X2xx series
« Reply #25 on: July 02, 2008, 09:15:24 PM »
W1n, we both know that saying Charlie doesnt like Nvidia is like saying the sun rises in the east, so...yeah. He did predict trouble, but he said that it will be because of poor yields for their 260 and/or 280 cards...(which we havent seen much evidence of as yet).

But, yeah...there's no telling the extent of trouble this could spell for graphzilla. Just think of it...your brand new 7 series chipset and your spankin new gtx280 which you paid like $700us for will *gasp* go up in smoke after a while. I guess that's where warranties come in, but who needs the stress? Folks hearing of this news might take in front and jump on the MAD bandwagon using this con as a main reason for the jump. Personally, i've gotta say that i wasnt planning to pelt out paper on any of their new cards, and this news sure doesnt help to reverse that stance.

But the speculation and the hate is clear and present in this article so I won't go about taking what Charlie says as gospel. We've just got to see what happens in time. I just hope that nvidia keeps up the competition because lets face it, the more intense amd/nv/intel fight, the better it is for us.
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Re: Nvidia GT/X2xx series
« Reply #26 on: July 02, 2008, 09:23:55 PM »
http://www.fudzilla.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=8252&Itemid=34

GTX260 may be priced as low as 370, the GTX 280 560 US due to price cuts... If all this news is true ,  ATI looks like they will be topdog for another year at least.
   Competition is always great... Nvidia got sloppy  and deserved this , though they are far from dead.
   I doubt intel would buy them out unless they were just feeling plain evil...  Nvidia doesn't bother them beyond insults made in the media.
 
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Re: Nvidia GT/X2xx series
« Reply #27 on: July 02, 2008, 10:20:41 PM »
like Saxman sell he gtx at the right time lol

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Re: Nvidia GT/X2xx series
« Reply #28 on: July 04, 2008, 10:08:36 AM »
GTX260 selling for MC 299 on newegg,  GTX280 for 499...  My prediction was right for a 300 dollar GTX series before the end of the year... but i didn't think it would come so soon.
 
 299 actually makes it a half decent buy...  But i can just imagine how much money Nvidia is loosing because of this whole fiasco.

 Looks like when the 55nm refresh hits the GTX270 may go for even less than 300 .
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Re: Nvidia GT/X2xx series
« Reply #29 on: July 04, 2008, 10:13:16 AM »
like Saxman sell he gtx at the right time lol

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Re: Nvidia GT/X2xx series
« Reply #30 on: July 04, 2008, 11:03:35 AM »
Well it didnt take a rocket scientist to figure out that nvidia will HAVE to drop their prices...and fast. But still, most of the gtx260's are going for closer to $400 so it still isnt a widespread phenomenon.

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Re: Nvidia GT/X2xx series
« Reply #31 on: July 04, 2008, 11:05:12 AM »
And considering the 4870 is kicking it's @$$ in terms of performance  in most cases, it's still not NEARLY as attractive as they need to be...

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Re: Nvidia GT/X2xx series
« Reply #32 on: July 04, 2008, 11:14:59 AM »
Precidely. The win still lies with the 4870.

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Re: Nvidia GT/X2xx series
« Reply #33 on: July 04, 2008, 11:15:17 AM »
Soon, biatches.....soon.  The light of the GPU Gods will shine upon me. :happy0203:
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Re: Nvidia GT/X2xx series
« Reply #34 on: July 04, 2008, 11:19:36 AM »
But on a serious note, everyone jumping the DAAMIT bandwagon, which is fine. But the 8800GT is still a BESS card... not to mention 8800GT SLI in many cases bests the 4780 and uses LESS POWER... all well and good to go 4870, but unless you going 4870 Xfire... a man could just as easily go 8800GT SLI and have similar/better performance than the single 4870... comments?

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Re: Nvidia GT/X2xx series
« Reply #35 on: July 04, 2008, 11:25:11 AM »
Yea...but would require that men have SLI boards...which not all do. If you've got an slii board, all well and good. In fact, its probably even better as Nividia cards work better with nvidia chipsets. But if you rocking straight intel like some of us, and if you're like me in particular you have only 1 pci-e, then...


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Re: Nvidia GT/X2xx series
« Reply #36 on: July 04, 2008, 11:38:39 AM »
I hear ya. Quick question, the mounting holes in an intel mobo LGA775 at they squarely separated? meaning you can spin a HSF 360 degrees and the mounting will be the same regardless? or is it a rectangular spread?

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Re: Nvidia GT/X2xx series
« Reply #37 on: July 04, 2008, 11:40:12 AM »
Yea...but would require that men have SLI boards...which not all do. If you've got an slii board, all well and good. In fact, its probably even better as Nividia cards work better with nvidia chipsets. But if you rocking straight intel like some of us, and if you're like me in particular you have only 1 pci-e, then...



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Re: Nvidia GT/X2xx series
« Reply #38 on: July 04, 2008, 11:57:27 AM »
Ent boy Arc.

W1n, the holes are arranged in a square. They can be oriented in any of the four possible positions.

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Re: Nvidia GT/X2xx series
« Reply #39 on: July 04, 2008, 03:43:01 PM »
http://www.tomshardware.com/news/nvidia-directx-drivers,5821.html

Nvidia supposedly is releasing DX 10.1 capable cards in Q1 2009 , probably the 55nm and 45nm refresh of the GTX architecture.... There seems to be a bleak future for all for the currant nvidia  cards on the market if you are looking for longevity.

 
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