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Re: DAAMIT 4xxx
« Reply #200 on: April 14, 2009, 10:17:30 PM »
Well DAAMIT has a habit of testing the smaller process waters with the lower-mid range cards. They've done it since the X series I believe. I would venture a look into the proverbial crystal ball and say expect shrinks of all their cards coming. And once the process is tweaked and running like a well tuned Mines R34 GTR VSpec-II they'll intro the HD5xxx series on 40nm and take some more EPIC WIN

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Re: DAAMIT 4xxx
« Reply #201 on: April 14, 2009, 10:49:09 PM »
excellent analysis. They have been on the 55nm train since the hd38xx series and perfected it with the 48xx series.
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Re: DAAMIT 4xxx
« Reply #202 on: April 15, 2009, 04:20:48 PM »
"Upgrades..." Neo, The Matrix Reloaded.

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Re: DAAMIT 4xxx
« Reply #203 on: April 15, 2009, 04:31:30 PM »
W1ntry already beat you to it a few posts back, but still, that was a low blow there from AMD.

What I'm wondering, is how two of these would fare in CrossfireX.....

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Re: DAAMIT 4xxx
« Reply #204 on: April 15, 2009, 04:35:10 PM »
hehe planning on getting that instead of i7, ddr3 platform on the cheap
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Re: DAAMIT 4xxx
« Reply #205 on: April 15, 2009, 04:54:01 PM »
lol at old card new sticker.

but if walks like a duck quacks like a duck and looks like a duck then it must be g92...

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Re: DAAMIT 4xxx
« Reply #207 on: April 22, 2009, 10:53:22 AM »
http://www.nordichardware.com/news,9111.html

http://www.nordichardware.com/news,9081.html

Ati's 4770 matches the 4850 in most games , i'd imagine it could beat it at lower resolutions . for 99 US its a steal of a deal ,   Crossfiring two of them would be epic.

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Re: DAAMIT 4xxx
« Reply #208 on: April 22, 2009, 11:02:41 AM »
hey is this a good upgrade from an 8800 GT ? sc ed 512 ddr3 ?
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Re: DAAMIT 4xxx
« Reply #209 on: April 22, 2009, 11:15:22 AM »
Consider the price of a 4870 has fallen as low as 179USD it makes little sense to buy a 4850 @ 130-150USD, thus the 4770 @ 100USD as a replacement for the 4850 without dropping the price of the 4850 makes sense. The 4850 is an 4870 with slower memory. But with the 512 4870  falling into the 150USD range I suspect a phase out of the 4850 is eminent. Also consider how is the competition going to deal with it? the 4850 competes with the GTS250 but the 4870 blows that out of the water. So eliminating the 4850 by producing a cheaper part (remember its the world's first 40nm part) means the GTS250 will compete with the 4870 and the 9800 will compete with the 4770 but it will force the 9800 down. Isn't AMD great XD... I read that the 4770 is launching tomorrow actually XD..

http://www.brightsideofnews.com/news/2009/4/21/worlds-first-40nm-cards-tip-up-ati-4770-ships2c-launch-on-thursday.aspx

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Re: DAAMIT 4xxx
« Reply #210 on: April 22, 2009, 11:28:09 AM »
so in actuallity it is a good upgrade then...
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Re: DAAMIT 4xxx
« Reply #211 on: April 22, 2009, 11:52:11 AM »
Depends on what you upgrading from. I have a 8800GT so to me unless I getting 2x the performance, it's not worth my while. In terms of upgrades of GPUs it's usually suggested that you go for a card that is 2 gerenations (at least) after your current. So in my case:

8800GT=HD3xxx && 8800GT<=9800GT<=GTS250==HD4850 Thus I would have to go at LEAST 4870 (1GB) or GTX260. But if I follow the 2 gen difference, i'd go with HD5xxx


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Re: DAAMIT 4xxx
« Reply #212 on: April 22, 2009, 04:29:09 PM »
http://www.carigamers.com/cms/forums/index.php/topic,10790.msg209611.html#msg209611

Best Gaming Cards for the Money - Tom's Hardware

Direct link - April Edition

In the conclusion it basically says that same thing (but with a cool table to summarize)

Don’t make sense upgrading your graphics card unless the replacement card is at least three tiers higher
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Re: DAAMIT 4xxx
« Reply #213 on: April 22, 2009, 04:47:46 PM »
Epic winzage from ATI at <100 US again.  I plan on getting two of these to run in CrossfireX,
in conjunction with a X3 720 BE.

I am really liking ATI this rounds.  If only they could come up with a CPU to return us to the
glory days of the Athlon 64.
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Re: DAAMIT 4xxx
« Reply #214 on: April 24, 2009, 06:56:19 PM »
  4770 review out http://en.expreview.com/2009/04/24/first-review-of-radeon-hd-4770-99-monster.html  (site refuses to load for me so till used a proxy)

 Its 5-10% slower than the 4850 and gts 250 for 30-50 US less , with lower power consumption and heat.

It also overclocks easily straight to from 750mhz core to 900mhz , giving it amazing value.

I'm looking to get myself one after exams .

The die size of this is only 144mm2 with 640 stream processors on this 40nm process
, that means ATI's HD 5800 series can squeeze around 1280 stream processors for 288mm2 and sell them at the same price as the 4870/4850 in 6 months time.
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Re: DAAMIT 4xxx
« Reply #215 on: April 24, 2009, 11:13:50 PM »
HD5xxx can't come fast enough. Product cycle is year end... so nothing new till at least Oct I would recon.

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Re: DAAMIT 4xxx
« Reply #216 on: April 30, 2009, 11:27:53 PM »
What can the new AMD HD4890 do? how does match a GTx 285 sound?  :awesome:

Oh and its $100USD cheaper

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Final Words

All but two.

That's how many benchmarks in which our 1GHz/1.2GHz (core/mem) Radeon HD 4890 lead the stock NVIDIA GeForce GTX 285. That's nothing to sneeze at. Certainly it doesn't mean that the 4890 is faster or better than the GTX 285, especially because the GTX 285 can be overclocked as well to improve performance. What this does mean is that for about $100 less we have the potential to achieve the stock performance of NVIDIA's flagship single GPU part with a highly overclocked AMD GPU. From an end user value perspective, that extra $100 is there to ensure you get at least the performance of the GTX 285 along with any potential overclocking benefits you might have from the higher end part. There is still reason to buy the GTX 285 if you need even more power. But this is quite intriguing from an architectural perspective.

These tests show that there is the potential for a 959 Million transistor AMD GPU to consistently outperform a 1.4 Billion transistor NVIDIA GPU in the same power envelope at 55nm with similar memory bandwidth.

Yields and business being what they are, it doesn't make sense for AMD to push out a part at the extreme clock speeds we tested. But from an engineering standpoint, even with the smaller die, less is more, multiGPU at the top end strategy, AMD has built a part that can (when overclocked) best the stock performance of top of the line NVIDIA hardware designed to pack as much power into a single GPU as possible.

And that seems pretty significant.

At the same time, while we don't have any solid standardized OpenCL tests to run as of yet, it appears from some limited applications like folding@home and others that NVIDIA's approach may be better suited to GPU computing or more general purpose or flexible applications beyond gaming. We can't really confirm this theory yet, as there isn't a wide enough range of GPU computing applications, but it might not be that NVIDIA has been pushing CUDA so hard because they know it to be an advantage, not just in terms of software support and a feature check box, but in terms of a fundamental performance or architectural edge for these algorithms. The architectural path NVIDIA has chosen may well prove useful when DX11 hits and we see a further push away from DX9 towards really deep programmability and flexibility. Only time will tell on that front, though.

In the meantime, NVIDIA's margins are much tighter on their larger GPUs and now their single GPU performance advantage has started to erode. It seems the wonders of the RV7xx series have yet to exhaust themselves. Competition is indeed a wonderful thing, and we can't wait to see what comes out of the upcoming DX11 hardware battle.

For now, at resolutions below 2560x1600, the Radeon HD 4890 has the advantage. At 2560x1600, the lines become a little more blurry. For stock hardware the GTX 285 is still the fastest thing around in most cases. But if you want to take your chances with overclocking, 30" gaming on a single AMD GPU just got a lot more potentially attractive.

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Re: DAAMIT 4xxx
« Reply #217 on: May 04, 2009, 09:44:33 AM »
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/radeon-4770-crossfire,2288.html

nice little read, men with xfire boards takes notes

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...a pair of 4770s is able to oust the Radeon HD 4890. Moreover, the 4770s use less power under load, run cooler, and, if our samples were any indication, overclock like mad. Need I even mention the two cards keeping pace with the GTX 280—a $305+ board?

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Re: DAAMIT 4xxx
« Reply #218 on: May 04, 2009, 10:05:48 AM »
I was beginning to think about the 4770. Buy one now, buy another in a 2 months... but i'll wait.... good stuff though!

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Re: DAAMIT 4xxx
« Reply #219 on: May 04, 2009, 10:36:22 AM »
Wow, 2 x 4770 in xfire beating a 4890!?!?!

Hmm, considers... buy two now, and chill until next gen.

2 cards @ US$218
1 card @ US$259

the two cards, for ~US$40 less, beating the one card... so I guess my next item on WishList is 2 x 4770
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