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AMD K10 aka Phenom I/II/AM3
« on: August 28, 2007, 04:50:28 PM »
I was considering putting this in some other thread... however since the K10 otherwise known as Barcelona, otherwise known as Phenom, otherwise known as Agena FX... is out September and that is upon us,,, also the implications of this article are HUGE... as with everything I will take it with a pinch of salt... however if this turns out to be true... prepare to be BLOWN away....  :violent5:
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AMD's 3GHz K10 to break 30,000 3DMark06

K10: meet (Beverly) Krusher to the 10th degree

By Theo Valich: Tuesday 28 August 2007, 18:09
LAST WEEK in Leipzig my kit was nicked, but before that happened we asked AMD if it would let us run memory benchmark scores on a system there. The reps gave us the company line and declined, so we decided to disclose the benchmark scores of our own K10 benchmarking here and now.

If you were wondering why AMD was hiding the scores of K10 so secretly, there were two reasons. The first might be that the CPU sucks badly and after AMD comes out, Intel's lads can start celebrating the death of AMD. On the other hand, there the was clear and present danger of the K10 significantly beating not just the current Conroe/Kentsfield generation, but easily out besting Wolfdale/Yorkfield. This statement warrants at least three hatemails from Intel's R&D lads, but all that we will disclose here are results we have in our possession. The pics are gone with my stolen laptop, though.

The particular piece of equipment that was briefly in our possession allowed us to run 3DMark06, the most important to overclockers worldwide, and Everest 4.0, our favourite memory benchmark.

The particular processor was none other than a single socket Barcelona or Agena FX, call it what you will. The reference motherboard containing RD790 chipset packed two HD 2900XT cards, and the memory installed was Corsair’s Dominator PC2-9136C5D, or the same ones we have been using ever since they came out. There was a Raptor hard drive, and that was about that. OCZ will like the fact that PP&C Quaddie CrossFire PSU was installed in the system.

Windows Me II (Vista) Ultimate was installed as the operating system of choice. For some odd reason, the 32-bit version was installed in a system with 4GB of memory, needless to say the system detected 3.24GB, and benchmarketing commenced.

When running at 2.5GHz, the 3DMark06 score ended at 23.768, so we were thrilled to see such a good score coming from two 512MB cards. This showed the clear potential of this four core processor marchitecture, but the helter skelter ride happened after we overclocked the processor to 3.0GHz.

When clocked at 3.0 GHz and equipped with two overclocked HD2900XT cards in CrossFire, Agena FX or single-core Barcelona smashed an index of 30,000 3DMarks 06. Yes, you’ve read it right - the barrier of 30,000 was passed to, barely, 30.031. We know that there are different systems floating around, and we have no doubt that leaks will start appearing after this article goes live. Knowing what was the overclock of Kentsfield processor, Intel Yorkfield has quite a big job to do. One thing is clear, though. Intel needs Nehalem, and it needs it badly.

To be clear with you, dear readers, two HD2900XT cards were overclocked to 830MHz for the core and 900MHz for the memory, but ominous Catalyst 7.7 drivers were used.

Memory wise, it is particularly interesting to see benchmark scores of DDR2-800 on AMD’s Athlon 64 X2 or now this Phenom FX something. When running in dual channel mode, a theoretical bandwidth of 12.8 GB/s can be reached, but that is a pipe dream - of course.

In the real world, our Intel Kentie 2.93GHz test bed will score around 7.5 GB/s, Athlon 64 X2 5000+ shoots around 8.3-8.8 GB/s, depending on the memory latency, and now Phenom scores even better – pretty close to a five figure range. But regardless of missing the 10 GB/s mark, it is still faster than any DDR3 memory on an Intel system, regardless of the clock achieved by the DDR3 memory. If you put the memory on 1066 MHz, 11GB/s bandwidth was smashed with read, write and copy tests and that was by quite some margin.

We expect the results to go officially live prior to Barcelona launch in September. µ
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AMD K10 aka Phenom I/II/AM3
« on: August 28, 2007, 04:50:28 PM »

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Re: Something PHENOMinal is coming...
« Reply #1 on: August 28, 2007, 05:10:46 PM »
Amd always had better memory bandwidth than intel, and always will!  Same goes for clock for clock performance, amd will always out perform intels at the same speed. BUT! if history yet again repeats itself do be aware than intel is releasing it's 45nm at the same time but if they get burnt, unlike presshot they can fight back with more clock speed and hold their ground!

either way AMD needs to buss intel for a bit to keep them on their toes so they don't ever do a presshot fiasco again! This is why competition is always good!
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Re: K10 Cometh
« Reply #2 on: August 28, 2007, 05:12:33 PM »
OMFG!!!  PLEASE tell me that this Agena FX is a socket AM2 CPU!!!

I KNEW it was a good move to buy a AM2 motherboard. :happy0203:
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Re: Something PHENOMinal is coming...
« Reply #3 on: August 28, 2007, 05:38:56 PM »
Me hopes that am2 boards will support this new chipset.




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Re: Something PHENOMinal is coming...
« Reply #4 on: August 28, 2007, 05:44:24 PM »
LMAO @ Windows Me II (Vista) Ultimate

hmmmmm...... looks like I go have to hold off on that CPU upgrade once again if this info is worthwhile

and of course, It has better be socket AM2 compatible.....
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Re: Something PHENOMinal is coming...
« Reply #4 on: August 28, 2007, 05:44:24 PM »

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Re: Something PHENOMinal is coming...
« Reply #5 on: August 28, 2007, 05:55:56 PM »
I think the cpu's themselves will be a AM2+ but AM2+ is backwards compatible with socket AM2  so...we in a gear!!! Good news is that our chipset should still support those chips nicely. Decisions decisions Intel or Amd? hmmmm. I can't wait for this thing to drop. Could save some $$ not buying board.
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Re: Something PHENOMinal is coming...
« Reply #6 on: August 28, 2007, 05:57:28 PM »
I think they will be a AM2+ but AM2+ is backwards compatible with AM2 so...we in a gear!!! Good news is that our chipset should still support those chips nicely. Decisions decisions Intel or Amd? hmmmm. I can't wait for this thing to drop. Could save some $$ not buying board.

indeed:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phenom_(processor)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socket_AM2%2B
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Re: Something PHENOMinal is coming...
« Reply #7 on: August 28, 2007, 06:11:39 PM »
mega over lol @ windows me 11 aahahahahah


and steups at this stupid thread

wasting my precious bw reading this drivel

oh noooezzz we cant beat zeee conroee :'( what shall wee eversss doo??
i dontt knooewzz :'( ummz maybe we throw 4 processors together and act like we did something amazing??

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Re: Something PHENOMinal is coming...
« Reply #8 on: August 28, 2007, 06:27:04 PM »
...as if Intel was the only one to think about puting four cores together. Imagine if AMD did it better and pwn Intel ohmigosh what a day when the tables are turned, oh what a da when the tables are turned.

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Re: Something PHENOMinal is coming...
« Reply #9 on: August 28, 2007, 06:36:49 PM »
lawd.....I expected nothing less from Crixxtachi himself... :laughing7:
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Re: Something PHENOMinal is coming...
« Reply #10 on: August 28, 2007, 06:42:15 PM »
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Re: Something PHENOMinal is coming...
« Reply #11 on: August 28, 2007, 07:54:24 PM »
O_o more delays????

http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/cpu/display/20070720235901.html

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During the most recent teleconference with analysts Advanced Micro Devices confirmed the earlier rumours that the roll-out of its new micro-architecture-based enthusiast-class processors will mostly occur next year and not a lot of highly-anticipated chips will be available in 2007. While the company mainly talks about revenue ramp of its products, such claims also usually describe unit volume ramp.

 
“We’ll be shipping the Phenom variance of the new product in Q4 but frankly, that’s going to be late enough in Q4 that while there’ll be some contribution to the bottom line, it won’t be substantial,” said Dirk Meyer, AMD’s chief operating officer and president.

Earlier it was reported that the chipmaker only plans to unveil its AMD Phenom FX-80 processor, which is designed for single-processor configurations, in November or December this year, whereas AMD Phenom FX-90 and FX-91 products are set to be released sometime in the first quarter of 2008, sources close to AMD indicated. The move delays the introduction of AMD’s FASN8 platform, which employs two microprocessors and also reduces the number of AMD Phenom FX models to be sold this year.

It is rumoured that four new-generation AMD processors will be available this year: AMD Phenom FX with four processing engines, two quad-core AMD Phenom X4 CPUs and one dual-core AMD Phenom X2.

“Phenom comes really late and so I think the benefit of Phenom in terms of ASP elevation you will see in the first quarter of ’08,” said Henri Richard, AMD’s marketing chief.


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Re: Something PHENOMinal is coming...
« Reply #12 on: September 03, 2007, 05:30:05 PM »
Actually, not to add fuel to the fire but after some research it is close to imposible ( but not actually impossible ) to get those 3dmark scores with the hd2900xt's , regardless of how powerful the phenom chip is.

The current world record 3dmark 06 is held by Shino @ ~27,000 , that is with a 5.1g q6850!

looking at some of his benches ( go look yoru self ) going from 4.5 to 5.1 g only added 500 3dmarks to the final score, what got him from his first 23k attempt to 27k record was ocing the cards to 1175/950MHz.

note that in the article their cards were 830/900, that means that the chip would need to score ~20k cpu 3dmark to get a 30k final score, which will be hard since ( at this current time ) 3dmark06 cpu score maxes out at 9,999!!!

that and if the cpu scoring was fixed in their version, there is no way a 500 mhz oc can give you a 7000 final increase! 700 if the chip is 50% more ubber than a qx6850!

( I get a whole 2-300 final score increase from ocing from 2.4 to 3.4! wooo! )

Sorry to bust your bubble but this inq article ( as they are known for to! ) is BS!

note this has nothing to do with the phenom chip! which I am hearing will be a beast! This is only to the 30k score with a 830/900 oc !


but in a few days we will know for real.
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Re: Something PHENOMinal is coming...
« Reply #13 on: September 03, 2007, 05:40:55 PM »
This close to the release date, information is very scarce!!! I cant wait to see the performance of this chip, and more importantly, how it performs/overclocks on current chipsets.

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Re: Something PHENOMinal is coming...
« Reply #14 on: September 03, 2007, 07:11:12 PM »
So who say the Phenom marchitecture could not result in such a score?  We ALL waiting to see if this is true or not.
Sorry to burst YOUR bubble sir.  We're not exactly running the streets like rabid dogs shouting 'AMD R0XX0RZ!!!'
just yet.  I know you hold a particular brief for Intel, but give we rest for now nah...jeez.
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Re: Something PHENOMinal is coming...
« Reply #15 on: September 03, 2007, 07:25:29 PM »
You know, I was going to challenge that dude's wierd and very speculative argument, especially since the chip hasnt even released as yet. Sure "The Enquirer" is known for some shoddy "facts" and downright wrong reports, still, this report is well within the realm of possibility. Besides, to attempt to rationalise how much points a particular system configuration will score is faulty at best.

BTW...I cant picture ARC saying 'AMD R0XX0RZ!!!' hahaah :lol:
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Re: Something PHENOMinal is coming...
« Reply #16 on: September 03, 2007, 08:24:47 PM »
i thought this was about undertaker returning at unforgiven


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Re: Something PHENOMinal is coming...
« Reply #17 on: September 06, 2007, 01:25:08 AM »
first of all go and download the 3dmark calculator!

then look around for bench results, real ones that are slipping out!

Yes Phenom will be a c2d killer! but not a 30k 3d mark06 with 2x hd2900s!! CPU scores alone can not do that unless the cpu is 2-3x better than a qx6850! Phenom should only be 10-15% faster!!

again I am not an intel fan boy either! I was going to go amd just before c2d! and would switch!!

BTW this is from Dell them selves!

     
EE Times: Latest News
Dell: We won't ditch AMD

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NEW YORK — Michael Dell, chairman and CEO of Dell Inc. said his company has no intention of reversing its decision last year to start using Advanced Micro Devices Inc., processors in its product line.

Speaking at the 14th Annual Citigroup Technology Conference, Dell noted that his company began using AMD processors in addition to supplies from Intel Corp., because it wanted to give customers a variety of choices and also because it wanted to guarantee for itself a steady supply of electronic components.

"It is simply unacceptable for a company of Dell's size to only have one of these choices," Dell said. "We think having two suppliers is absolutely in our best interest."

Dell (Round Rock, Texas) is the world's second-biggest supplier of personal computers. The company CEO disclosed that he expects AMD to introduce its quad-core chip, code-named Barcelona, next week and, comparing it with Intel's Clovertown quad-core processor, said his company would like to offer customers a choice of either product.

"If you look at floating point instructions, Barcelona is about 30 percent faster than Clovertown. However, if you look at integer instructions, Clovertown is about 30 percent faster than Barcelona," Dell said.

"Depending on the type of application you are running or even your theory of computer science, you might have a preference for one type of server or another," he added.



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Re: Something PHENOMinal is coming...
« Reply #18 on: September 07, 2007, 02:39:07 AM »
Far be it from me to dispute the idea of comparing cpus using a major gpu bound benchmark ;)

Not saying it cannot break 30k, but that's more an indication of the card capability than the cpu.
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Re: Something PHENOMinal is coming...
« Reply #19 on: September 07, 2007, 08:42:30 AM »
CPU power has a tremendous impact on this benchmark. Just for reference, with a 2.7ghz x2 AMD CPU, I get around 9,600 points but with a c2d@ 3.5ghz with all the same components sans board, it scores 11,400.

Concerning Dell not having intentions of dropping AMD, I dont think they can even if they wanted to. if i remember correctly, Dell and Intel had a falling out resulting in Intel revoking some exclusive deal they had with DELL.
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