Bullies push boy, 6, into lake after stripping him, drowns

[Spazosaurus]

Sun Aug 12 2007

A six-year-old Pauingassi boy drowned as a result of bullying from his peers, RCMP confirmed Saturday.
Six-year-old Adam Keeper died after he disappeared early Tuesday evening, and a community-organized search found his body hours later near the banks of Fishing Lake.

Sgt. Steve Colwell said three boys -- ages seven, eight and nine -- stripped Keeper naked and pushed him into the lake.

Keeper couldn't swim and drowned after he was unable to keep his head above water.

Colwell said the three youths were questioned about the young boy's death, but can't be held criminally responsible since they're under 12.

"He was pushed into the lake," Colwell said.   
"There's nothing more we can do, criminally."

He said the RCMP have closed their investigation and turned the case over to Child and Family Services.

The boy's father, Harvey Owens, said his son didn't know how to swim.

"(Adam) never swam before," Owens said.

http://www.winnipegfreepress.com/local/story/4021093p-4633468c.html

WTMC @ this?!?! It's a shame the law couldnt do anything about this. I say throw them in juvie for a while to let themgrasp the seriousness of the situation!!! 

Disciple, you're slipping 

[New Era Outlaw]

You know what this says to me?

"Children can get away with pure bulls**t in that country."


...and, once again, the police can't 'do' anything.
It's times like these where I begin to wonder if vigilante justice would be the only effective form of justice anymore.....

[Saxito Pau]

I concur... at least house arrest till they are 18

I hope the parents of the dead boy file a civil suit and win  (in similar fashion to the OJ Simpson trial, he won the criminal case but lost the civil case)

and yes, NEO at times it seems like vigilante justice is the only justice that seems to do anything anymore... *pulls out cat-o-nine tails*

bully-whipping time, anyone?

[Spazosaurus]

Not that i'm supporting vigilante justice, but I won't be suprised if something was to "happen" to one or all of thse boys. In this case where the law is powerless to do anything about the perpetrators, i'm sure that the boy's parents or others concerned are seeing red, ready to seek justice in their own way.

[Synchronomyst]

Wait... you guys...support the -criminal- prosecution of these bullies?

I mean...as much as what they did is grievous and sick the main reason they did it is because they didn't grasp the seriousness of you actions. Children may be "smart" but they sure as hell don't think. At this age you can't specifically blame children for their actions and I think you really have to wonder what their parents and wards were doing or have not been doing for a situation like this to occur.

The law is for deterrence and rehabilitation...not revenge and Juvenile detention isn't going to help these kids. They're just going to fall into a system that often makes them worse than they already are and there is nowhere in this world that would allow them to be legally prosecuted.

I mean...I'll argue more thoroughly when I return but I don't think anyone should be punished for an entire lifetime for something they did before they've gotten a reasonable grasp of life and morals beyond what their parents have taught them.

[Redlum08]

I mean...I'll argue more thoroughly when I return but I don't think anyone should be punished for an entire lifetime for something they did before they've gotten a reasonable grasp of life and morals beyond what their parents have taught them.

I agree, HOLD the Parents responsible for not teaching their kids how to behave. That is what is wrong with kids today, the parents are negligent, most of the time cause they had the kids when they were young and didn't have the common sense to raise them right, OR the parents work and the kids are left to fend for themselves, getting into all sorts of mischief. The child is always a reflection of the parents and the upbringing they had. I say prosecute the Parents for their children's actions, set an example!

[disciple]

yup.....

tossin them in juvie just gonna ensure that 3 lives are lost, instead of 1.. cept the other 2's downward spiral would be longer



i agree with what was said earlier by synchronomyst .. rehabilitation, not revenge..

and with larry..

for the rest of their lives they will kno that they killed someone


in any event loosin them two in juvie eh go bring the youthman back...

[W1nTry]

This is truly a saddening story.... whilst my angry side would argue this planet doesn't lose anything if 3 or heck 3 million ppl were to vanish without a trace... I would have to logically agree that PROPER counselling and rehabilitation would be bets. Even make them model citizens to be poster boys against such crimes.... truly heart breaking...

[TrinireturnofGamez]

read an article on American culture about why their children are so messed up.  In other societies the adults have enough power presence to control them .

  In the states the kids are left alone to form their own mini society.. ever read , lord of the flies?

[Redlum08]

read an article on American culture about why their children are so messed up.  In other societies the adults have enough power presence to control them .

  In the states the kids are left alone to form their own mini society.. ever read , lord of the flies?

You're right, and Corporal punishment which we endured as youths in Trinidad is a CRIME here in the US, where some of these kids really need it, especially when their parents did not do their job like they are supposed to.

"Now Johnny, you know that's not a nice thing to do, now go apologize to the parents of the dead boy and stand in the corner for 5 minutes, go on, take a TIME OUT!"

[disciple]

well, corporal punishment being legal in trinidad not really deterring crime down here, now is it? ( in homes, not by the schools)a lotta bandits would probably tell you how much licks they get in school, or from a grandmother back in the day////


in my opinion, it's lack of parenting   ( raining blows on your child when they are 'bad' is NOT good parenting )

supervision, taking an interest in your child's life, instilling good values...  THAT'S good parenting..    when they deserve it, by all means,  disciplin your child ..   but parents not around, don't care, or too busy.. so the child remains unsupervised..  doh get me wrong, when my child do ish, the belt WILL be in the arsenal..

but the lack of corporal punishment alone is not to blame for the state of children..  we live in a society where sex sells, instant gratification is the order of the day, personal responsibility is diminished, and once you get your own way, to hell with everyone else

[Redlum08]

well, corporal punishment being legal in trinidad not really deterring crime down here, now is it? ( in homes, not by the schools)a lotta bandits would probably tell you how much licks they get in school, or from a grandmother back in the day////


in my opinion, it's lack of parenting   ( raining blows on your child when they are 'bad' is NOT good parenting )

supervision, taking an interest in your child's life, instilling good values...  THAT'S good parenting..    when they deserve it, by all means,  disciplin your child ..   but parents not around, don't care, or too busy.. so the child remains unsupervised..  doh get me wrong, when my child do ish, the belt WILL be in the arsenal..

but the lack of corporal punishment alone is not to blame for the state of children..  we live in a society where sex sells, instant gratification is the order of the day, personal responsibility is diminished, and once you get your own way, to hell with everyone else

That's what I said before. I agree.

[Xerotolerant]

...i know i woul dbe pretty upset if my son/daughter get stripped down and drowned for no real reason. i doh care what anyone says i would be going out for blood. but i don't think it fair to say that the children are not to blame eh cause that is so wrong at age 8 you supposed to know that stripping someone'e clothes off and throwing them into a lake is not cool regardless of how much time your parents spend disciplining you. but this is one of those situations where you can't please everyone, if you start to share cut a$$ someone will vex and if you let it slide someone else will get vex. i so no juvi but weekly cuta$$ sessions of something like that because no matter how you look at it you can't accidentally take off someone's clother and throw them into lake by accident, and murder is not something you let slide.

[disciple]

is not an accident that they strip him and throw him in the lake.. and is not jsut wild  play.. they were bullies and they fully intended to mess with the boy, that much is clear


i highly doubt they intended to kill the boy,however...

nobody sayin send them home with milk and cookies..   


what would weekly beatings achieve? the boy not comin back, and you probably would lose the other two by treating them like animals...



point of interest: a black 12 year old killed his 8 yr old ( i think, might be off by a couple years) neighbour a few years aback in florida  practicing wrestling moves on him . from what i remeber, i think they give him life.

[TrinireturnofGamez]

  Too much Corporeal  punishment won't solve anything, the presence of the parents is more important.
 
   Unless the parents make it known consciously and subconsciously to the kids that any sort of bad behavior will be punished , the bullies become the kings of their own little worlds and will do as they please .

[Xerotolerant]

i i not too sure what overbeating is about but i talking lix their asses burn when they sit and every time they put on clothes they whales sting something like that as a reminder that KILLING SOMEONE is not a joke and that something like that should not be defended at all by anyone and statements like he not coming back should not be used as an excuse to avoid reasonable punishment.

[Synchronomyst]

"but i don't think it fair to say that the children are not to blame eh cause that is so wrong at age 8 you supposed to know that stripping someone'e clothes off and throwing them into a lake is not cool regardless of how much time your parents spend disciplining you."

That's just not true. Basic Child Psychology: at eight you do not have your own morals. You have the morals of your life's most prominent influence. Whether it by parents, siblings or, sadly enough, the f**king television for that matter. Eight year-old's don't make sound moral decisions. They make decisions influenced on the severity and the possibility of their punishment, which, actually, is how adult's still operate to some extent. They don't know "good" or "bad" they don't know about "augmentation/detrimental to society". Their brains -literally- haven't developed the capacity enough to do so because they don't yet think in abstracts. If they did make sound moral and ethical the age of age of adulthood would be far lower than the universally accepted age of 18.

...and what the hell? Weekly beatings aren't going to achieve a thing.

 Without calm, rational dialogue? Never.

Just beating them over and over and angrily is more likely to create antagonistic sociopaths than to cure a thing, and worse, that's how they're going to learn how to solve all their problems when they're angry; to beat people within an inch of their god damned lives. If you want to advocate corporal punishment (which I'm not against) after one severe beating and all privilages revoked and an eventual understanding with guidance and maturity that they've taken a life they'll have a better chance. Beating them every day is purely vengence that sates only the victim's family and an eye-for-an-eye mentality. F**k that shit. The eh no "reasonable punishment" If they're reformed they're more of a use to society anyway.

[Xerotolerant]

say what you will but i get more lix than i could remember and for reasons i probably didn't understand and i am no sociopath as far as i could see(i could be wrong though) i said nothing about beating to death but to have them continue life without a physical memoir (burning whale/a$$) just aint cool that same talking and understanding is good no problem with that but severe lix is applicable here remember they didn't just say a bad word or take a cookie out the jar, someone ceased to exist because of their actions. and that in my book = a beating to remember.

[DreadNaught]

I think without beating them or anything these boys are gonna pay for the rest of their lives. They've been branded for life and when they are older and grasp the concepts of right and wrong their foolish actions would haunt them. You know how i would feel to know i snuffed out a 6 year old boy's life? Accidentally or not it will play on my mind that is my fault that this kid aint never going to have a first kiss, graduate, a best freind, married. That will f&*k me up mentally. Trust me.....they are going to pay...